wrote when the pens got mario granted there was big publicity etc etc and interest was immediately generated gretzky did the same thing for la however imnsho neither team would have seen marked improvement in attendance if the team record did not improve in the year before lemieux came pittsburgh finished with points following his arrival the pens finished with and points with couple of stanley cups thrown in it was at this point the pens attendance was near capacity out of sellouts yet they hadn made the playoffs since how do you explain place team breaking attendance records when they haven been to the playoffs in years mario lemieux is the explanation imho you could make case that the expectation of an improving team that would make the playoffs is the reason funny you should mention it this is exactly the case was going to make but think the reason is lemieux had point season and was the first non gretzky to win the hart and ross since people turned out to watch him play will grant that star like mario will draw fans even if the team sucks but this is short term only still do not think the attendance increase will last unless the team is winning competitive improving butt kicking one pittsburgh was still getting better so people continued to support them if they suddenly dropped to say points you have knee surgery for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon also the following year the pens had points not ok my numbers came from the nhl guide and record book they made the transaction to try and build winner around mario that is true but the improvement in attendance came before they started doing this coffey late in and before they even had playoff bound team doubling of attendance occured in from the previous year an increase from points to points is not going to do that the arrival of mario lemieux is what did it you can give the credit to mario since he deserves it but my point is that it wasn mario himself but it was the expectation of things to come winning team that he created by being the next great hockey superstar and before anybody jumps in and says nit picking and mincing words go back and read from where this thread started it might help to think about what would go through fan mind who suddenly found an interest in mario and the pens was it gee mario lemieux is amazing ll go watch him play or was it gee now we ve got kick ass guy on our side ll go watch him play think it was the latter similar thing happened in before gretzky arrival about per game after constant sellouts they are still selling out every game despite showing little or no improvement since gretzky first year there how do you explain it people are going to see gretzky they certainly aren going to see winner they haven got winner they ve had much better teams in their past history than they currently have yet they didn draw as well then don think this is accurate the tickets sell but people don go to the games think this thread has already been discussed season ticket holders in la don always use their tickets so in effect after the kings initial success following gretzky arrival to points same source and corresponding attendance jump there has been an effective drop in attendance even though ticket sales may not have changed much whether or not the kings are winner is debatable claim that since gretzky arrival they have at the very least been competitive also claim that mcnall has made stupid move in trying to reassemble the oiler dynasty but that another story and included only because don like mcnall anyway mcnall did do some heavy marketing around gretzky and that undoubtedly was also responsible for the attendance and merchandising sales etc but as said when the kings have been in there little tailspins over the past couple of years there have been empty seats at the forum even if the tickets were sold think in the case of lemieux or gretzky the player can transcend winning as the major drawing power for the short term imo although think that it inevitable that the team will improve with player such as lemieux or gretzky simply because they make people around them better but winning sure as hell helps well at least we are in full agreement here this does not make roger point any more valid but the jets aren so are you saying roger has ever had valid point couldn resist getting huge jump in productivity yet they are getting huge jump in attendance this is due to the emergence of teemu selanne they have the best record in hockey it sure as hell isn because they are winning yes but they are doing no worse than last year think the same type of reasoning applied to new pittsburgh fan applies to all the extra people showing up at winnipeg games it difficult to predict but do you think that if the jets miss the playoffs next season that in the year after they will maintain their attendance levels seriously doubt it because in that case the expectation of an improving team would be gone with or without selanne did provide the example of rocket ismail and the toronto argonauts of the cfl did you leave it out because you don know much about the cfl if that the case then fair enough but if it isn the case then curious to hear your explanation the jets use the breakaway pass scheme to create scoring sensation in order to generate interest if teams score as many or more goals against winnipeg when selanne is on the ice as winnipeg scores when he is on the ice then can see how his contribution can be described as impressive implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against winnipeg with selanne on the ice can be blamed on him roger he is forward winnipeg has lousy defensive record anyway let put it another way john cullen is terrible what your excuse for him that his powerplay points don count neither do selanne the object of the game is not to feed selanne it is to win and feeding selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way to winning knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding selanne so he can score does contribute in meaningful way to winning pat burns wouldn have goal suck like this on his team you re worried about teemu when you have glenn anderson on your team we don know what selanne does best we do know what jet management wants and again the object of the exercise is not to allow selanne to do what he does best it is to win hockey games what he does best is score so refer you to my comment above as it is now selanne is grandstanding goal suck did you see the way he parades around with his arms outstretched after scoring goal you would think the messiah had returned nope didn see it was too busy watching foligno jump up and down after his goal can only comment on the kings but the most obvious candidate for pleasant surprise is alex zhitnik he came highly touted as defensive defenseman but he clearly much more than that great skater and hard shot though wish he were more accurate in fact he pretty much allowed the kings to trade away that huge defensive liability paul coffey kelly hrudey is only the biggest disappointment if you thought he was any good to begin with but at best he only mediocre goaltender better choice would be tomas sandstrom though not through any fault of his own but because some thugs in toronto decided to threaten his career in order to avoid conceding goal other than that the award goes to robert lang an uninspiring czech robitaille could easily be mvp but prefer to give it to rob blake who is quietly becoming one of the league premier defensemen and if the kings manage to hold onto him and the rest of our young defense it could one day mean that we ll let in fewer goals than hartford honorable mentions to majestic marty and warren rychel jon mvp biggest biggest suprise disappointment los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey would have chosen alex zhitnik for biggest suprise they did expect that he would become great defenseman but don think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his rookie year his speed skating ability and puck control is exceptional he is the one to watch on the kings kris assist uci edu go kings maine beat lssu the logistician reigns supreme go blue go tigers go pistons go lions go red wings wpi edu the shirts are believe or not from bob probert line of clothes the whole shirt says give blood fight probie cool they sound like cult classic can someone post address or phone of store that sells these thanks jake lake state maine in finals who won please post also sprach ucs mun ca tsn sportsdesk just reported that the ottawa sun has reported that montreal will send players million including vin damphousse and brian bellows to phillidelphia phillie will send eric lindros to ottawa and ottawa will give it first round pick to montreal if this is true it will most likely depend on whether or not ottawa gets to choose overall can ottawa afford lindros salary personally can see philli giving up lindros for anything they didn give away that much to quebec just to trade him away again not to mention that lindros seems to be huge draw in phillie and that he represents successful future for the franchise ottawa may be better off taking the players from montreal for the pick stephen legge ucs munc ca two things didn the trade deadline pass two weeks ago the flyers would never ever ever give up lindros simple as that go flyers cup in mike yes rush marillion elp genesis king crimson dream theater beatles mike weintraub aka jvi on irc courageous convictions edu will drag the dream cerf net into existence the american university washington dc rush not limbaugh go philadelphia flyers vancouver canucks philadelphia phillies looking at the way the divisions were re aligned there are six teams each in the central norris and pacific smyth divisions while there are seven teams each in the northeast adams and atlantic patrick divisions the thought occurs to me that inherent in the realignment is expansion of one team in the central division and one team in the pacific division although ve seen nothing published that indicates that actually when the nhl expansion committee was formed couple of years back before the ottawa and tampa bay expansion john zeigler stated at the time that it was the nhl expansion plan to grow to teams per division by the turn of the century andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom division ext during the roman era was considered old last night during sharks broadcast commissioner bettman was interviewed during the first intermission he made no bones about it the expansion to is on permanent hold until he is satisfied that the current allotment of are fully stable this means that cities looking for club in the foreseeable future will have to wait until one team in some location fails or looks to relocate this is good imo there no sense in expanding if it only means more failing franchises are in the mold tom galvin cs nps navy mil tampa bay philadelphia first period philadelphia carkner unassisted philadelphia hawgood recchi lindros pp philadelphia lindros recchi hawgood pp tampa bay beers zamuner chambers pp second period tampa bay andersson hamrlik lafreniere pp philadelphia conroy butsayev faust philadelphia beranek galley hawgood pp third period philadelphia recchi brind amour galley pp philadelphia power play scorer pts beranek brind amour butsayev carkner conroy faust galley hawgood lindros recchi tampa bay power play scorer pts andersson beers chambers hamrlik lafreniere zamuner vancouver detroit first period detroit kozlov fedorov chiasson detroit drake ciccarelli coffey pp vancouver ronning slegr bure pp second period detroit sheppard drake hiller detroit ciccarelli chiasson drake pp third period detroit ysebaert fedorov cheveldae sh detroit power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts cheveldae chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake fedorov hiller kozlov sheppard ysebaert vancouver power play scorer pts bure ronning slegr buffalo boston first period buffalo audette corkum wood boston juneau neely oates second period buffalo errey lafontaine khmylev boston douris sweeney bourque third period boston donato unassisted boston power play scorer pts bourque donato douris juneau neely oates sweeney buffalo power play scorer pts audette corkum errey khmylev lafontaine wood calgary san jose first period calgary suter reichel macinnis pp second period san jose zmolek odgers evason san jose kisio garpenlov gaudreau pp calgary lindberg macinnis pp third period no scoring overtime calgary fleury otto yawney calgary power play scorer pts fleury lindberg macinnis otto reichel suter yawney san jose power play scorer pts evason garpenlov gaudreau kisio odgers zmolek pittsburgh quebec first period quebec kamensky huffman quebec young lapointe huffman second period pittsburgh mullen lemieux murphy pittsburgh lemieux tocchet samuelsson pittsburgh lemieux tocchet stevens quebec young sundin kovalenko pp third period pittsburgh tippett unassisted sh pittsburgh tippett mceachern mullen pittsburgh power play special goals sh total scorer pts lemieux mceachern mullen murphy samuelsson stevens tippett tocchet quebec power play scorer pts huffman kamensky kovalenko lapointe sundin young new jersey toronto first period no scoring second period no scoring third period toronto gilmour andreychuk anderson toronto power play scorer pts anderson andreychuk gilmour new jersey power play no scoring ottawa hartford first period ottawa maciver baker luongo hartford kron nylander gosselin hartford burt cassels verbeek hartford cunneyworth yake nylander hartford sanderson cassels houda hartford verbeek cassels zalapski pp second period hartford sanderson cassels zalapski pp third period hartford kron poulin burt ottawa turgeon lamb ottawa baker luongo maciver pp hartford power play scorer pts burt cassels cunneyworth gosselin houda kron nylander poulin sanderson verbeek yake zalapski ottawa power play scorer pts baker lamb luongo maciver turgeon winnipeg edmonton first period winnipeg tkachuk housley zhamnov pp edmonton klima ciger elik second period winnipeg king unassisted winnipeg zhamnov selanne winnipeg domi selanne housley third period edmonton manson unassisted winnipeg eagles numminen bautin pp winnipeg zhamnov ulanov selanne edmonton gelinas kravchuk ranford edmonton kravchuk buchberger winnipeg power play scorer pts bautin domi eagles housley king numminen selanne tkachuk ulanov zhamnov edmonton power play scorer pts buchberger ciger elik gelinas klima kravchuk manson ranford chicago st louis first period st louis shanahan janney hull pp second period chicago murphy chelios roenick pp st louis shanahan hedican janney chicago noonan murphy chelios pp st louis bozon ps chicago roenick sutter murphy pp third period no scoring overtime no scoring st louis power play special goals pp ps total scorer pts bozon chelios hedican hull janney murphy shanahan chicago power play scorer pts chelios murphy noonan roenick sutter montreal ny islanders first period no scoring second period montreal brunet carbonneau daigneault ny islanders turgeon thomas kurvers pp ny islanders mullen unassisted third period montreal bellows desjardins dipietro montreal damphousse desjardins bellows pp montreal power play scorer pts bellows brunet carbonneau daigneault damphousse desjardins dipietro ny islanders power play scorer pts kurvers mullen thomas turgeon minnesota los angeles first period minnesota dahlen unassisted minnesota courtnall dahlen modano pp second period minnesota mcphee sjodin hatcher pp third period no scoring minnesota power play scorer pts courtnall dahlen hatcher mcphee modano sjodin los angeles power play no scoring ny rangers washington first period ny rangers graves turcotte lowe ny rangers gartner messier ny rangers olczyk messier amonte second period ny rangers beukeboom unassisted third period no scoring ny rangers power play scorer pts amonte beukeboom gartner graves lowe messier olczyk turcotte washington power play no scoring boston buffalo first period no scoring second period boston leach wesley oates pp boston oates douris poulin third period boston douris bourque sh boston power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts bourque douris leach oates poulin wesley buffalo power play no scoring pittsburgh new jersey first period pittsburgh francis lemieux tocchet pp second period pittsburgh murphy francis mullen sh pittsburgh francis tocchet lemieux pp pittsburgh jagr tocchet francis pp new jersey zelepukin driver lemieux pp third period new jersey maclean nicholls stevens pittsburgh lemieux jagr en pittsburgh power play special goals pp sh en total scorer pts francis jagr lemieux mullen murphy tocchet new jersey power play scorer pts driver lemieux maclean nicholls stevens zelepukin toronto philadelphia first period philadelphia dineen beranek hawgood philadelphia mcgill lindros recchi second period philadelphia lindros recchi galley third period philadelphia dineen hawgood galley pp philadelphia power play scorer pts beranek dineen galley hawgood lindros mcgill recchi toronto power play no scoring vancouver ottawa first period no scoring second period vancouver plavsic craven vancouver momesso nedved plavsic pp third period vancouver bure unassisted vancouver power play scorer pts bure craven momesso nedved plavsic ottawa power play no scoring st louis chicago first period chicago sutter murphy chelios pp st louis janney shanahan brown pp chicago roenick chelios smith pp chicago roenick sutter chelios pp chicago graham gilbert ruuttu st louis janney shanahan crossman second period no scoring third period chicago murphy chelios belfour st louis miller hull janney pp st louis janney miller shanahan chicago power play scorer pts belfour chelios gilbert graham murphy roenick ruuttu smith sutter st louis power play scorer pts brown crossman hull janney miller shanahan calgary san jose first period calgary otto yawney ashton pp san jose odgers pederson wilkinson second period calgary nieuwendyk johansson reese calgary reichel skrudland berube third period calgary ashton otto fleury san jose pederson odgers evason san jose odgers gaudreau evason pp calgary power play scorer pts ashton berube fleury johansson nieuwendyk otto reese reichel skrudland yawney san jose power play scorer pts evason gaudreau odgers pederson wilkinson stanley cup champion vancouver canucks sorry pittsburgh in walk jack first of all the penguins will win the cup again who is going to stop them definitely not the canucks my predictions patrick division winner pittsburgh adams division winner quebec or montreal norris division winner detroit smythe division winner winnipeg wales conference champ pittsburgh campbell conference champ detroit stanley cup champions again pittsburgh canucks suck they ll lose in the first round compliments of winnipeg and teemu selanne the pens are almost unstoppable with mario lemieux in article ca bnr ca jim jordan says the precedent was set by the wha in their first season they used red puck for exhibition games and blue one for the regular season thankfully they abandoned it in favour of black before the next season began one reason that the wha abandoned the blue puck was the fact that it crumbled very quickly during play the blue dye that was used somehow affected the vulcanized rubber of the puck decreasing its cohesiveness terry uic edu gb has now risen from nowhere to pool in seasons they pulled out of the world championships in and did not re enter until when we took part in pool in we hosted pool and won all our game to progress to pool in gb finished in pool and then last year we hosted pool again winning all our games now after pool gb won all games and in now in pool world champions next year perhaps just goes to show you what using canadians can do for hockey team france italy and now great britain all use significant number of canadians on their hockey teams yup then again there are lots of foreign born players on the canadian national soccer team so the brits give something back to you in the end for the record former ny rangers coach ted darth sator recently led lion milan jari kurri former team only the nickname changed devils lion to their second straight italian championship they made the european final four last autumn after losing to swedish champs malmo in the semis and accomplished this feat using fifteen canadian born players mamma mia marcu gerald they were and even if washington might consider patty bust rework that trade in minute druce has been complete and utter bust here only goals well druce pretty much sucked when he was with the caps he had one good playoffs not season oh well the caps are notorious for making stupid trades anyway as can be seen with the cicarelli and hrivnak trades sigh in another note have to say the caps biggest surprise was cote as many caps fans had been expecting lot from bondra already go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu hi according to my always questionable newspaper there silver dollar being minted in canada the back of which commemorates the anniversary of the stanley cup now know full well what coins are used every day in canada can easily fish few out of my pocket change right now in fact my question is since the loon is the only dollar coin that know is legal tender is this just commemorative coin with no monetary exchange value or what is it the sort of thing that only hockey buffs and coin collectors might covet with no chance of it being circulated if it is an uncirculated coin what the current cost and what its potential value just curious if no one knows ll take this to soc culture canada and rec collecting or whatever it is thanks again valerie hammerl some days have to remind him he not buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks on claude cc buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for the devils but cc buffalo edu known for taking dumb penalties but think the reason is lemieux had point season and was the first non gretzky to win the hart and ross since people turned out to watch him play will grant that star like mario will draw fans even if the team sucks but this is short term only still do not think the attendance increase will last unless the team is winning competitive improving butt kicking one pittsburgh was still getting better so people continued to support them if they suddenly dropped to say points you have knee surgery for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon disagree mcnall has demonstrated with gretzky that star brings out the crowds whether or not the team is expected to do well very few fans real istically expect the kings to do well this year although do and yet they still go out to see gretzky this is the marketing strategy selling the game by selling the stars that is employed by baseball and notably the nba and this is the attitude that the new bettman mcnall leadership is bringing to the league they have gone on record as stating that they are trying to sell the game on its stars timo salami and brett hull are perfect examples of players that real fans know aren worth damn and yet being benificiaries of marketing oriented coaching strategies have goal totals that would indicate to the casual observer the very fans the nhl wants to attract that these players are indeed superstars they made the transaction to try and build winner around mario that is true but the improvement in attendance came before they started doing this coffey late in and before they even had playoff bound team doubling of attendance occured in from the previous year an increase from points to points is not going to do that the arrival of mario lemieux is what did it it might help to think about what would go through fan mind who suddenly found an interest in mario and the pens was it gee mario lemieux is amazing ll go watch him play or was it gee now we ve got kick ass guy on our side ll go watch him play think it was the latter it ain nearly so simple as this the casual fan doesn think about much at all can you actually find an adult with digit iq who believes that mcdonalds makes good hamburgers did provide the example of rocket ismail and the toronto argonauts of the cfl did you leave it out because you don know much about the cfl if that the case then fair enough but if it isn the case then curious to hear your explanation yes but apparently the rocket has not lived up to his marketing responsi bilities has he he was hyped initially as superstar but outside of one grey cup game he has done very little to maintain enhance that assess ment of his talents most argo fans probably feel the team would be better off without him cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca here we go again is this the same idiot who posted the gretzky trade to toronto sheeeesh you should have waited until we got over that one before this garbage maybe we would have believed it for half second not by the way just heard from mother goose that mario lemieux was traded to winnpeg for tie domi randy psc know noone has heard of it it tiny college in hicksville new hampshire plymouth state college implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against winnipeg with selanne on the ice can be blamed on him roger he is forward winnipeg has lousy defensive record anyway let put it another way john cullen is terrible what your excuse for him that his powerplay points don count neither do selanne are you comparing cullen to salami would say that that is valid if winnipeg is such lousy defensive team then why the hell does salami stand around the other team blueline when the puck is in his own end the object of the game is not to feed selanne it is to win and feeding selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way to winning knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding selanne so he can score does contribute in meaningful way to winning excuse me are the jets playing hockey let me check yes but just barely they have allowed more goals than they have scored sounds an awful lot like salami to me sounds like they would be just as well off or better if he played the solid two way game that our friends in finland claim he is capable of but if he did that he wouldn be chal lenging for the league lead in goals would he the bi planes might be challenging for first however you re worried about teemu when you have glenn anderson on your team now let see you have compared timo to anderson and cullen who next mike foligno we don know what selanne does best we do know what jet management wants and again the object of the exercise is not to allow selanne to do what he does best it is to win hockey games what he does best is score so refer you to my comment above some of our finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he can play solid two way game would have to say that this style of contribution would be more conducive to winning or don you think so as it is now selanne is grandstanding goal suck did you see the way he parades around with his arms outstretched after scoring goal you would think the messiah had returned nope didn see it was too busy watching foligno jump up and down after his goal don believe it you did compare him to foligno and honestly hadn read this far it would help if you used little discrimination in your thinking your contributions would be more highly valued if we could see that you weren trying to be merely argumentative cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca when talking about hockey broadcasters let give moment of silence to remember the st louis blues great dan kelly many of you may have heard him in the late and early on cbs he used to do hockey night in canada intermissions with another recently deceased great danny gallivan of the canadiens agreed here ll never forget dan kelly calling the play by play in the canada cup he was masterful and danny gallivan will never be replaced even now when watch hnic remember his voice when see an al macinnis or al iafrate hey what with these guys named al who can shoot shot from the point still think blistering blast thn had tribute to gallivan in the issue following his death in the story they included quote from one of the games he did it went it appears risebrough has pugnaciously construed that check he said and will undoubtedly make visitation to the box of punition classic vintage gallivan he sorely missed so here to two of the best there was and best that ever will be ists ca was thinking about who on each of the teams were the mvps biggest surprises and biggest disappointments this year now these are just my observations and are admittedly lacking because have not had an opportunity to see all the teams the same amount anyway mvp most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and in terms of leadership can win without him biggest surprise the player who rose above expectation the player that may have raised the level of his game to new height even if that new level doesn necessarily warrant an allstar berth includes those players who at the outset of the season may not even have been in the team plans biggest disappointment the player from whom we expected more picked denis savard in montreal because with the new emphasis on offence brought by demers shouldn savard have done better team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment boston bruins oates sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette jinx calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi not expected back broten montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard new jersey devils stevens semak maclean new york islanders turgeon king finally marois new york rangers messier kovalev bourque ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet even for him jagr quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley st louis blues shanahan joseph ron sutter tampa bay lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved finally momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce as mentioned up top these are my impressions from where sit would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams in other words anywhere away from toronto newspaper bryan team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce weren these two traded for each other poetic justice okay you hockey playing fans finatics out there looking over the wide range of aluminum sticks for the first time ve been playing with pieces of lumbar that seem to weigh alot and break after few uses so thinking of changing to an aluminum shaft so when break the blade all have to do is change it the problem is that there is such wide reange of models and selections out there that not certain which to consider can any of you post some of your suggestions and experiences with the aluminum sticks what is the difference between models what do you like dislike about them and which brands are best ve had and still have few aluminum sticks got my first when was christian and broke the shaft halfway through the season two years later bought another canadian at the beginning of the next season and still have it also have an easton that friend was getting rid off after giving up the game find that easton blades are easier to get but all brands of blades are pretty well interchangeable watch out for dried up bits of firewood that some stores pass off as blades in my experiences the blades of an aluminum break more often than regular sticks but ve only ever broken one aluminum shaft like aluminum sticks the blades are quickly changed even on the bench if you have to on the downside the shaft won break if you decide to impale yourself on it ciao mark this is between me and the vegetable rick moranis in little shop of horrors mark shoesmith watstar uwaterloo ca was thinking about who on each of the teams were the mvps biggest surprises and biggest disappointments this year now these are just my observations and are admittedly lacking because have not had an opportunity to see all the teams the same amount anyway team mvp surprise disappointment edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby well since the oilers didn win heck of lot of games not sure they deserve and mvp can win without him however suggest kelly buchberger instead of dave manson who has had brutal year his pick for the all star game notwithstanding as for biggest surprise say that buchberger had higher expectations this year due to his breakthrough year for him last year so he didn really raise his game my suggestion would be shjon podein one of the callups from cape breton during the year he was quite far down on the depth chart in the oilers stable of prospects but made big impact on the team he has goals in his games and is only those are decent numbers for third line player who was seemingly doomed to minor league oblivion the oilers coaching staff likens his style to john tonelli think he ll be on the full time roster next year as for biggest disappointment you could name any of the players the oilers dumped for lousy production this year nicholls gilchrist tikkanen or even shayne corson but mellanby isn far off andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom division ext during the roman era was considered old was wtahcing right guard hockey week on tsn yesterday and they had feature on this guy that does lot most of the masks for nhl goalies they talked about how they are made what they are made of and the designs that are put on them etc actually this part was really interesting it turns out that the mask is custom fit to the goalie face the goalie puts his her face through piece of wood or was it plastic with hole in it that allows only the face and forehead to show hair is covered by cap eyes are covered by plastic wrap type material and vaseline is put on the goaltender face then plaster is spread on their cheeks forehead and chin which takes about minutes to dry sufficiently when it dries it is effectively mold of the goalie face this is used as the basis of the mask the rest involves padding the inside hardening the exterior fitting the cage etc etc john blue of the bruins actually demonstrated the procedure on the show he exhibited couple masks he is currently working on namely new mask for andy moog which is basic re working of his current mask with the bear on it and new mask for bob essensa which was really cool the jets logo was on the chin and there were two fighter jets on either side on the forehead with an air brushed back ground yeah essensa mask looked really good the best one of all was one he never talked about he just held it up it has the current leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking black panther on the forehead it has to be new mask for felix potvin but he never said whose it was actually thought heard him say that it was potvin for certain would bet money on it either way and it did look awesome ists ca lake state maine in finals who won please post maine team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment boston bruins oates sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette jinx calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet chelios is by far the mvp on chicago detroit red wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby manson by his own admission had terrible year the oilers don really have team mvp by default it should go to craig mactavish shjon podein was the biggest surprise tikkanen the biggest disappointment hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi not expected back broten tinordi was back by mid season last year and when he plays he is the mvp montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard new jersey devils stevens semak maclean new york islanders turgeon king finally marois king had great year last year also new york rangers messier kovalev bourque how can kovalev be surprise ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund fence sitting look at philly record with eric and without there is no doubt soderstrom is probably the biggest surprise pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet even for him jagr tocchet had near point season in philly with mike bullard as his center why shouldn he be able to do that with mario quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley st louis blues shanahan joseph ron sutter really joseph deserves the mvp nod tampa bay lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved finally momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce gerald in article cs laurentian ca and after the leafs make cream cheese of the philadelphia side tomorrow night the leafs will be without equal the leafs are the best team in the campbell conference cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca more like philadelphia making dust out of dead leafs roger why do you continue to embarass yourself with your brash predictions they got whitewashed by last place team granted philly is pretty decent but the best team in the cambell conference would have beaten last place team scott humphrey chemical engineering university of tulsa utulsa edu bruins for the cup opinions expressed are those of the individual not of the of tulsa before begin lambasting don cherry let me first say that ve been sort of cherry fan for while admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly but he more or less harmless on saturday however he crossed the lines of good taste according to don the entire article wasn perfect and there were some shots by frank musil and alpo suhonen don noted that musil wasn much of player didn score many goals last year he also made fun of their names one guy has name like dog food the other like laxitive meta musil this is the best he can do gee don tremendous amounts of professionalism here the cbc looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with this nonsense making fun of names it bad enough that he makes asinine blanket statements about european players but he now resorted to making fun of their names too he sounded like an idiot much like he did last week when he said that teemu would never make it to his rock em sock em video until he dropped the gloves on the subject of realignment don said that he liked the new division names well what he said was that even though he been around the league for quite some time he still doesn know who where conference and division names hello mcfly the names have been around for couple of decades or so he also invited the audience to name the teams in the wales quick quick followed by ah you don know don know sorry don wrong on this one ron to don don know wy like you on your show for minutes can hardly stand you on this show for this was absolutely hilarious don argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly good unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in the nba case serious money oh well he never been one for objectivity has he don question to gretzky wouldn it be better for you to change your friends so that they like the game than for us to change the game for your friends now this liked tsn sportsdesk just reported that the ottawa sun has reported that montreal will send players million including vin damphousse and brian bellows to phillidelphia phillie will send eric lindros to ottawa and ottawa will give it first round pick to montreal if this is true it will most likely depend on whether or not ottawa gets to choose overall can ottawa afford lindros salary personally can see philli giving up lindros for anything they didn give away that much to quebec just to trade him away again not to mention that lindros seems to be huge draw in phillie and that he represents successful future for the franchise ottawa may be better off taking the players from montreal for the pick stephen legge ucs munc ca in article cs laurentian ca cs and after the leafs make cream cheese of the philadelphia side tomorrow night the leafs will be without equal then again maybe not to put it mildly as watched the flyers demolish toronto last night realized that no matter how good the leafs line may be they ll need one or two more decent lines to go far in the playoffs and of course healthy felix potvin thomas darling the cellar bbs public access system org genie darling facthq truth thru technology in article null phys psu edu null phys psu edu in article ecn uoknor edu backbo prefer the miami colons myself headline flames blow out colons would kevin dineen play for the miami colons as flyers fan resent you making kevin dineen the butt of your jokes aw just take moment to digest it and sure you ll see the humour thomas darling the cellar bbs public access system org genie darling facthq truth thru technology team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce weren these two traded for each other poetic justice they were and even if washington might consider patty bust rework that trade in minute druce has been complete and utter bust here only goals daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder did you ever notice how many people on the net have trouble in the comparitively easy task of spelling the nick name of our fair city never knew that philadelphia becomes phillie or philli when spoken of so for all you who don know yet here little clue it is spelled ok thank you oh yeah about that drug induced trade rumor don think the sniders are that stupid the rumor you should be looking into is mike keenan coming back to coach the flyers later mike mike cornell there are great many people in the country today who cwru edu through no fault of their own are sane monty python let go flyers stanley cup in oh my brain hurts mr gumby the adams division race is certainly interesting this year here are important data to keep in mind in the eventuality of tie for given standing position in head to head games quebec wins over montreal boston leads against quebec with two games remaining montreal and boston are tied with one game remaining pierre breton aka fluide glacial pierre for purposes of the tie breaker you only count the first three games in each city therefore quebec cannot possibly be ahead of montreal and there probably only one game that counts remaining between boston and quebec which means boston has probably already won pete clark rsh flyers contact with the kind of team montreal has now they can take the cup easily the only problem they have right now is that everyone is trying to steal the show and play alone they need some massive teamwork they are also in little of slump because long time hockey montreal canadiens announcer claude mouton died last tuesday and it was rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for years but know that is no excuse but if the habs manage to get some good teamwork and get into the spirit they should have no problem winning in may dean the blackhawks shall triumph walter ladwig this is the weather the cuckoo likes net link armored division submissive to cts com vernacular the world into gambling birdhouse velocity the cut ups with the kind of team montreal has now they can take the cup easily the only problem they have right now is that everyone is trying to steal the show and play alone they need some massive teamwork they are also in little of slump because long time hockey montreal canadiens announcer claude mouton died last tuesday and it was rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for years but know that is no excuse but if the habs manage to get some good teamwork and get into the spirit they should have no problem winning in may agree also think roy needs good kick sometimes that horrible loss to the capitals last week yeeeech here to cup this year richard rauser you have no idea what you re doing ca oh don worry about that we re professional wni outlaws we do this for living remember no matter where you go there you are dr banzai ten years ago the number of europeans in the nhl was roughly quarter of what it is now going into the season the numbers of euros on nhl teams have escalated to the following stats canadians americans europeans please note that these numbers are rounded off and taken from the top players on each of the teams my source is the vancouver sun here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick of watching game between an american and canadian team let say the red wings and the canucks and seeing names like bure konstantinov and borshevshky is this north america or isn it toronto detriot quebec and edmonton are particularly annoying but the numbers of euros on other teams is getting worse as well live in vancouver and if hear one more word about pavel bure the russian rocket will completely throw up as it is now every time see the canucks play keep hoping someone will cross check bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on stretcher by the way not canucks fan to begin with okay the stretcher remark was little carried away but the point is that resent nhl owners drafting all these europeans instead of canadians and some americans it denies young canadians the opportunity to play in their north american league and instead gives it to europeans who aren even better hockey players it all hype this european mystique is sickening but until nhl owners get over it canadian and american players will continue to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league with the numbers of euros in the nhl escalating the problem is clearly only getting worse all for the creation of european hockey league and let the bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent just don want them on mine richard rauser you have no idea what you re doing ca oh don worry about that we re professional wni outlaws we do this for living remember no matter where you go there you are dr banzai true rumor fact big three way deal eric lindros going to ottawa senators and senators get from montreal montreal gets alexander daigle the first round pick from senators philly gets damphousse bellow patrick roy and draft pick node gts org if it there and you can see it it real if it there and you can see it it transparent if it not there and you can see it you erased it if anyone out there is keeping an islanders mail list could you please add me to it thanks in advance ercu can add me onto the list too thanks rex count me in go isles don ee mcgill ca please count me in also just can tell you how excited was when the islanders beat the rangers in overtime on last friday go isles on fri apr gmt cs upei ca michael wendt said albany new york boise idaho couple of cities with fair interest but size and closeness to other teams is question albany has their ahl franchise though it goes by the capital district label but boise forget it the chl made an attempt at that part of the country in with franchise in great falls and no one showed up folks up in that part of the pnw just aren interested in hockey hey patrick the montana magic played in billings not great falls plh know where put the next two nhl expansion teams phoenix and houston assuming the whalers don pack up and move in the meantime marc phoenix and houston it is marc foster contact for the oklahoma city blazers central hockey university of oklahoma geography department league adams cup internet gcn uoknor edu champions backbone uoknor edu to be placed on the chl mailing list send email to either address above tsn sportsdesk just reported that the ottawa sun has reported that montreal will send players million including vin damphousse and brian bellows to phillidelphia phillie will send eric lindros to ottawa and ottawa will give it first round pick to montreal obviously some reporter for the ottawa sun got taken by an april fools joke probably started by someone with the nordiques or the bruins like for example who is going to reimburse the flyers for the million they paid to the nordiques like the senators are going to get lindros and million the flyers sent the equivalent of or players when you include the draft choices to quebec and they are going to get only four back some reporter was had real badly and someone must be having real good laugh seeing as how the so much of the sports media has chosen to publicize this utter nonsense if this is true it will most likely depend on whether or not ottawa gets to choose overall can ottawa afford lindros salary can you think it cannot possibly be true no need for the if personally can see philli giving up lindros for anything they didn give away that much to quebec just to trade him away again not to mention that lindros seems to be huge draw in phillie and that he represents successful future for the franchise ottawa may be better off taking the players from montreal for the pick can believe that anyone would consider giving such crap even the remotest consideration gerald all kinds of unacceptably racist drivel deleted and after that we find the man has absolutely nothing to say richard rauser you are dishonourable little man caustically when necessary rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca okay the stretcher remark was little carried away but the point is that resent nhl owners drafting all these europeans instead of canadians and some americans it denies young canadians the opportunity to play in their north american league and instead gives it to europeans who aren even better hockey players it all hype this european mystique is sickening but until nhl owners get over it canadian and american players will continue to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league according to what reasonable principle of justice does standing in intimate geographical and psychological relations to league give one some privileged right to play in it european stuff deleted don understand why so many people are predicting an upset against pittsburgh the team has won in row coming into the playoffs they ve won practically every game that they ve really wanted to win all year including critical victories against the caps and one against hot bruins team at the gaahden the team is probably at its peak stronger than the previous stanley cup winners mean know they can lose but it would be large upset personally think teams are going to be hard pressed to win or games in any series against the pens and not pittsburgh fan have to agree here as heard on tsn tonight you want to pick someone else but you just don see how you can and bruins fan maybe this year will be different but it doesn look good time will tell though lots more deleted randy randy coulman sc aries laboratory research assistant department of computational science university of saskatchewan usask ca saskatoon sk in article null phys psu edu null phys psu edu in article ecn uoknor edu backbo prefer the miami colons myself headline flames blow out colons would kevin dineen play for the miami colons as flyers fan resent you making kevin dineen the butt of your jokes aw just take moment to digest it and sure you ll see the humour thomas darling the cellar bbs public access system org genie darling facthq truth thru technology if anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding koz lets go caps with the kind of team montreal has now they can take the cup easily the only problem they have right now is that everyone is trying to steal the show and play alone they need some massive teamwork this is known as the savard syndrome and we are talking denis not serge no team will ever win squat with the likes of denis savard in their lineup they are also in little of slump because long time hockey montreal canadiens announcer claude mouton died last tuesday and it was rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for years but know that is no excuse but if the habs manage to get some good teamwork and get into the spirit they should have no problem winning in may they could tell savard to stay home and watch the games on tv agree also think roy needs good kick sometimes that horrible loss to the capitals last week yeeeech here to cup this year sounds like to me cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca tsn sportsdesk just reported that the ottawa sun has reported tht montreal will send players million including vin damphousse and brian bellows to philldelphia phillie will send eric lindros to ottawa and ottawa will give it first round pick to montreal personally can see philli giving up lindros for anything here we go again is this the same idiot who posted the gretzky trade to toronto listen asshole just commenting on what heard reported on the sports news you ll notice my skeptical comment sheesh thought this group wasfor conversation guess was wrong stephen legge ucs munc ca ten years ago the number of europeans in the nhl was roughly quarter of what it is now going into the season the numbers of euros on nhl teams have escalated to the following stats canadians americans europeans here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick you know you re absolutely right think we should round up all those players of european descent and ship em back to where they came from let see with whom should we start dunno lemieux hmmm sounds like he has french blood in him hey france is part of europe send that euro blooded boy back sheesh all for the creation of european hockey league and let the bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent just don want them on mine don think it would be hard to find some native americans or native canadians for that matter who would dispute your claim to this great continent of ours ya see if you believe the anthropologists we re all immigrants of some sort if you really don think that mogilny bure selanne et al have improved the nhl then not sure you understand the game dan lyddy berkeley edu university of california at berkeley no don play hockey not too many brothers do deion sanders prefer the miami colons myself headline flames blow out colons would kevin dineen play for the miami colons as flyers fan resent you making kevin dineen the butt of your jokes aw just take moment to digest it and sure you ll see the humour if anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding what about his rectum go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu ra here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick of watching game between an american and canadian ra team let say the red wings and the canucks and seeing names like bure konstantinov and borshevshky is this north america ra isn it disagree think the nhl should feature the best hockey talent in the world regardless of nationality have to admit that when see players like gretzky and messier traded off to the us because the canadian teams can afford them have been know to say only half seriously that we probably be better off if we had our own canadian hockey league for canadian players ra all for the creation of european hockey league and let ra te bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent ra ra just don want themon mine again it doesn matter to me russian finnish mexican albertan new yorker black white korean martian plutoneon it doesn matter any of them can put leafs jersey on if they can put the puck in stephen legge ucs munc ca prefer the miami colons myself headline flames blow out colons would kevin dineen play for the miami colons as flyers fan resent you making kevin dineen the butt of your jokes aw just take moment to digest it and sure you ll see the humour if anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding what about his rectum it bad jokes like that which draws crohns mean groans from the crowd don bother looking it up in the appendix it useless anyway just one more word of advice if you go to miami game stay away from any foods made with natural casings hockey hockey hockey joy joy joy stimpson kat null phys psu edu psu edu psu edu cs psu edu shack com and oh yeah psu edu bitnet at the lester patrick awards lunch bill torrey mentioned that one of his options next season is to be president of the miami team with bob clarke working for him at the same dinner clarke said that his worst mistake in philadelphia was letting mike keenan go in retrospect almost all players came realize that keenan knew what it took to win rumours are now circulating that keenan will be back with the flyers nick polano is sick of being scapegoat for the schedule made for the red wings after all bryan murray approved it gerry meehan and john muckler are worried over the sabres prospects assistant don lever says that the sabres have to get their share now because quebec dynasty is emerging the mighty ducks have declared that they will not throw money around loosely to buy team oilers coach ted green remarked that there some guys around who can fill tie domi skates but none who can fill his helmet senators andrew mcbain told off security guard at chicago stadium who warned him of the stairs leading down to the locker room mcbain mouthed off at him after all being seasoned professional and tumbled down the entire steep flight gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley in article ecn purdue edu ecn purdue edu richard gemeinhart wrote in article edu ncsu edu frank mich am originally from new york state and go to school in north carolina yet don constantly gripe about the lack of hockey wouldn some of you who chose to go to school in the south realize most who gripe are clemson students that hockey isn quite as popular in south carolina when you chose school why did you all excuse me all choose schools in the south if hockey was this important to you not everyone has the luxury of deciding on college by making sure the hockey coveraage is what you want it to be am pittsburgh transplan to when at home and the coveraage sucks sports south didn even show the final game of the stanley cup laast year while it was happening they put it on ktape delay and cut the intermissions then went off the air when you move you take the good with the bad and deal with it it doesn mean thaat you can complain about it was transplanted by my parents from the greater hartford area to the greater cleveland ohio area this was not an action of my choice the only hockey coverage could get there regularly was red wings and penguins explaining in part why follow these teams today in cleveland you couldn even find hockey scores on the clock news because they figured that if they didn have it it wasn sport at least your parents didn move you idaho the only things that get any coverage there are football basketball and baseball patty does anyone have the addresses to any of the following hockey teams located in the czech slovak republics finland russia or sweden any information on how to find these addresses would also be appreciated aik assat brynas budejovice chelabinsk djurgarden dynamo eskulap espoo farjestad frolunda hpk hv hifk ilves jyp ht jihlava jokerit jokp kalpa khimik kladno kristall lada leksand litvinov lukko lulea malmo metallurg modo olomouc pardubice red army rogle skoda slovan soviet wings sparta spartak tps tappara trencin tuto vantaa vasteras yaroslavl zlin dee dee france com when talking about hockey broadcasters let give moment of silence to remember the st louis blues great dan kelly many of you may have heard him in the late and early on cbs he used to do hockey night in canada intermissions with another recently deceased great danny gallivan of the canadiens loved dan kelly he was on usa when first got hooked on hockey back in or so no he wasn always spot on top of the play and he wasn overly cute but those pipes that lusty barrel chested voice no pipsqueak was he unlike some fellas we know rode into hockey mania on the coattails of gretzky and the boys on the bus my first finals saw the islanders sweep them but ll never forget the night year later when the oilers closed it out at home in the pandemonium the smoke from million sparklers the long empty net goal near the end and dan kelly letting the crowd reaction tell the story for few long seconds then that voice barking through the din dave lumley sews it up for edmonton it sounds stupid but that early for me hockey memory will always bring thrill since then ve grown lot more jaded about the game but was really saddened by dan kelly passing he was one of the good guys brian adams reno in the smythe this one is the toughest for me to call because have to put personal bias aside go calgary think lot depends on who wins the division winnipeg will move into third by the end of the season and the first place winner will have clear advantage it will be lot easier to build momentum against team like the kings whoever plays the kings in the first round will take the division much as it hurts have to pick division winner vancouver canucks ll have to disagree with you on this one think vancouver will go as bure goes and if he continues on his goal scoring slump then they won even make it out of the first round think the kings will make it out of the first round regardless of who they play they seem to be doing pretty well even with that bad game against minnesota on saturday think it ll be either calgary or los angeles to win the smythe go on to the conference finals wales conference trophy islanders and bruins will fight to the end but think the islanders have enough steam to overtake the bruins in seven campbell conference trophy walk for vancouver maybe in or but definately not stanley cup final islanders and vancouver islanders will have nothing left by this point and will succumb fairly easily to the canucks stanley cup champion vancouver canucks still have to disagree with you here think it ll be pittsburg to get the hat trick in stanley cups they just look toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good hope you have enjoyed my predictions hope they are not all correct go calgary neither do well may the best team win it all pittsburg that just my worth message from the terminal of carol boudreau mit edu haven seen anyone post this so will do the honors maine beat lssu in milwaukee on saturday night it was quite game maine stormed to lead in the first and looked like they might run away with it maine first goal came inside the first thirty seconds of the game lssu came back at the end of the period to cut the lead to lssu came out in the second dominating the play particularly along the boards the play went quickly with the refs running no holds barred type of game lssu scored three more unanswered goals to lead at the end of the second now it looked like lssu might just walk away with the game coach walsh of maine replaced the starting goalie dunham with snow who won the game against michigan snow proved to be much more aggressive goalie the third period like the second belonged to the team behind maine scored three unanswered goals in span of five minutes after the four minute mark they were all scored by jim montgomery the tournament mvp and all assisted by paul kariya the last minute of the game bears highlighting the change to snow also proved the difference in the end with one minute to go and with the lssu goalie pulled snow dueled with lssu forward in amazing set of moves by both snow won it was great way to end the game this year three championships games were sold out last year in about one month the bradley center holds approximately douglas peterson have pms ford com you safety laboratories department driven ford motor company lately ten years ago the number of europeans in the nhl was roughly quarter of what it is now going into the season the numbers of euros on nhl teams have escalated to the following stats canadians americans europeans please note that these numbers are rounded off and taken from the top players on each of the teams my source is the vancouver sun here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick of watching game between an american and canadian team let say the red wings and the canucks and seeing names like bure konstantinov and borshevshky is this north america or isn it toronto detriot quebec and edmonton are particularly annoying but the numbers of euros on other teams is getting worse as well that why we have expansion to create more jobs nhl teams can afford to import role players from europe they pick the stars but will continue to build their teams around local players with the numbers of euros in the nhl escalating the problem is clearly only getting worse all for the creation of european hockey league and let the bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent love to see european nhl division but can see it happen for some time there simply not enough fan interest at the moment in several crucial markets like germany italy and france while sweden and finland probably can afford to shell out for tickets the way american canadian fans do call it the minnesota north stars effect scandinavians do love hockey but we prefer to watch local inexpensive hockey to the nhl the national hockey league should love the idea though pan european tv channels such as eurosport could bring in the millions the american networks likely never will pay just don want them on mine richard rauser you have no idea what you re doing ca oh don worry about that we re professional wni outlaws we do this for living remember no matter where you go there you are dr banzai the flyers team that can beat any team on any night showed up at the spectrum sunday night and dominated the maple leafs thoroughly en route to shutout tommy soderstrom will get credit for the shutout but he barely broke sweat until the third period as the flyers defense kept the leafs from mounting any serious attack injuries pelle eklund is day to day with bruised thigh roster moves jason bowen was added to the lineup for his first nhl game jason was the flyers second pick in the first round overall of the entry draft years old lbs in games with the tri city americans he had goals assists and pim he plays left wing and defense he played defense in this game although bobby taylor said that bill dineen was planning to use him up front as well andre faust was returned to hershey he actually left after the second period of the kings game flew to albany got the game tying goal in bears ot win and played again for hershey sunday night lines fedyk lindros recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroy acton brown galley mcgill yushkevich cronin carkner hawgood bowen tommy soderstrom in goal acton replaced lomakin in the period game summary if the flyers played like this every night they be in the playoffs this year the flyers hit everything that moved they created scoring chance after scoring chance they snuffed out everything that the leafs tried to do jason bowen made good play on his first nhl shift that almost created goal he had the puck in the top of the left offensive circle all alone but instead of taking the shot he found brind amour crashing the net on the other side perfect pass and good shot across daren puppa body should have been goal but puppa made great save reading the play garry galley gave the maple leafs ranked power play the first chance when he hooked doug gilmour at the flyers lowly ranked penalty killing unit was almost flawless the entire game and set the tone on this kill the maple leafs got almost nothing but long unscreened shots and the defense swept away every rebound after the power play the flyers got goal on an ugly play rod brind amour gave the puck to greg hawgood at the right point and he sent drive at the net puppa made the save and kicked the rebound right into the feet of josef beranek and bob rouse who were wrestling in the slot beranek was able to get his stick on the puck and push it out to dineen who was skating into the slot from the right circle and he lifted backhander over puppa for flyers lead at the flyers kept the pressure on and puppa was the only leaf keeping the flyers from building on their lead for while eventually things settled down and defense prevailed each team got an occasional scoring chance but the goalies were strong bowen started giving some lindros like checks in his own corners then lindros who was looking to avenge hit foligno gave him thought he had chance to even the score he had foligno lined up at center ice leaned into him and rode him into the center ice boards the only problem was that foligno was little far from the boards and mike mister mcgeough felt that it warranted boarding call at the leafs couldn get anything going on the power play as the flyers were very aggressive for change on the kill with time running out in the period recchi carried through the neutral zone and handed to lindros as they approached the leaf blue line they were in crowd with wendell clark and jamie macoun lindros tried backhand pass to recchi through the feet of macoun that connected to recchi but then clark checked recchi off the puck macoun then tried to clear but it was weak and went right to mcgill who had manned the point he drove it from just inside the blue line macoun got his stick on it and deflected it past his own goalie at shots were flyers in the period the flyers finally got their first chance on the power play when dave andreychuk tripped up rod brind amour in his offensive zone during the power play the flyers got cheated little when the puck popped up into the air and eric gloved it down but mcgeough thought it hit his stick above his head we could see from our seats at the other end of the ice that it only hit his glove and the replay confirmed but the faceoff went to the other end as time was running out in the advantage lindros found galley with pass across the goal mouth but puppa made the save the rebound kicked back to the right corner where recchi picked it up passed it out to eric crashing through the right circle and eric one timed past puppa at with the assist recchi moves past bobby clarke season the second best one season total for flyer at eric moves up to all time in flyers rookie scoring with points mike eastwood took down al conroy at to give the flyers another chance on the power play not much pressure before garry galley ended the power play with slash at not much happened on the on although the leafs had most of the possession the flyers smothered the leafs short power play tempers flared little at bowen and pearson got roughing minors keith acton got bloody face dave mcllwain then took dive and got greg hawgood hooking minor at to set up on the replay showed that hawgood stick stopped making contact with mcllwain long before he spun around and fell again the flyers smothered the leafs power play led by dimitri yushkevich bowen made thundering hit when he came out of the box on pearson berehowski tried to perplex everybody with his sloooowball he had the puck at the point and just trickled pass down the slot he made all the flyers look silly as nobody could get stick on it and it got to gilmour at the side of the net but soderstrom stoned him the flyers picked things up offensively after the kill was over but didn get anything home shots were flyers the flyers were content with the goal lead in the third period and they decided that if tommy wanted shutout he was going to have to work for it little the flyers got most of the scoring chances in the first or so minutes of the period but couldn get past puppa then the leafs got tired of lindros making road kill out of them and tempers flared each for doug gilmour and lindros unsportsmanlike conduct and each for glenn anderson and mcgill roughing all at terry carkner then took kneeing penalty at on gilmour again the flyers smothered the leafs power play at about the minute mark dave andreychuk got shot away from his left circle that got through soderstrom the puck was rolling on it side and as luck would have it it turned away from the net instead of turning towards it think of how rolling quarter inevitably starts to lean one way or the other seconds later rod brind amour tripped up gilmour at to give the leafs another chance on the power play on the advantage after soderstrom stoned andreychuk while lying down andreychuk got the rebound through soderstrom but from behind the net and it went straight through and was swept away by one of his defensemen they kept the pressure on but soderstrom was equal and preserved the shutout recchi cross checked ken baumgartner to get tempers hot and start brawl at no punches thrown recchi got the initial minor krushelnyski baumgartner and lindros each got roughing minors at rouse and beranek expressed their mutual dislike for each other and got each for slashing to set up another on mike eastwood shoved down ryan mcgill in the flyers zone as they were battling for the puck and while mcgill was down he ran his stick across mcgill face the flyers were not happy with that at all al conroy paired up with berehowski and started throwing punches upward well al held his own much to the delight of the crowd each got couple punches in before going down in head and al got standing penalties eastwood cross check game clark carkner each berehowski and conroy each fighting at so major penalty for the rest of the game for the flyers the had no interest in stting on the lead hawgood galley and brind amour played catch until hawgood found dineen all alone in the left circle he controlled the puck and blasted it past puppa at that was all the fireworks tommy soderstrom would not face another shot puppa did but kept the flyers off the board flyers shots were flyers in the probably the strongest game ve seen from the flyers since the all star break shutout number for soderstrom all since tied for most in the nhl but he played fewer games than belfour or the goalie can remember that he tied with next up it the winnipeg selannes tuesday night in winnipeg the flyers cannot be eliminated if they win but loss coupled with an islander win that night in washington would be the official end flyers up to points on the season in games last year they had points in games under so they need at least points in their last games to improve on that only by percentage points under in is better than under in tragic number holds at points with games left the tragic number for is points watched the rangers blow third period lead at home to lose before finished this up why points instead of well the flyers will win the tie breaker if they catch them whereas the islanders win tie breakers against the flyers and so need only tie the rangers could crumble down the stretch as they play the devils the pens twice the flyers and finish up with games against the caps so guess place could be the goal for the team to focus on flyers team record watch eric lindros goals assists points rookie records club record goals club record points eric lindros dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart ron flockhart dave poulin eric lindros bill barber pelle eklund mark recchi goals assists points club record goals club record points reggie leach bobby clarke tim kerr mark recchi tim kerr bobby clarke mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobby clarke bill barber rick macliesh reggie leach flyers career years player points best prior season mark recchi penguins rod brind amour flyers garry galley kings brent fedyk red wings that all for now pete clark jr rsh flyers contact and mailing list owner implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against winnipeg with selanne on the ice can be blamed on him roger he is forward winnipeg has lousy defensive record anyway let put it another way john cullen is terrible what your excuse for him that his powerplay points don count neither do selanne are you comparing cullen to salami would say that that is valid if winnipeg is such lousy defensive team then why the hell does salami stand around the other team blueline when the puck is in his own end thought that he was comparing cullen to teemu sel nne always thought that salami is some sort of sausage but if you dear roger are able to see salami on the ice playing hockey don know what to do but you surely should do something and very quickly maybe you think that if you keep on talking some rubbish after some time everybody will consider it to be really true you should take care of your leafs they surely need it more what he does best is score so refer you to my comment above some of our finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he can play solid two way game would have to say that this style of contribution would be more conducive to winning or don you think so at least we have seen him playing as it is now selanne is grandstanding goal suck did you see the way he parades around with his arms outstretched after scoring goal you would think the messiah had returned during the latest philly game the leaf players didn parade philly crunched them maybe you need some more two way players who can score too cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca just cordially hannu go jets go teemu teppo tappara canadiens blackhawks in article american edu american edu says also sprach ucs mun ca tsn sportsdesk just reported that the ottawa sun has reported that montreal will send players million including vin damphousse and brian bellows to phillidelphia phillie will send eric lindros to ottawa and ottawa will give it first round pick to montreal if this is true it will most likely depend on whether or not ottawa gets to choose overall can ottawa afford lindros salary personally can see philli giving up lindros for anything they didn give away that much to quebec just to trade him away again not to mention that lindros seems to be huge draw in phillie and that he represents successful future for the franchise ottawa may be better off taking the players from montreal for the pick stephen legge ucs munc ca two things didn the trade deadline pass two weeks ago the flyers would never ever ever give up lindros simple as that with soderstrom and roussel why the hell would the flyers want to pick up an older and slumping roy byw could come up with group of players they trade for but they wouldn be from the same team go flyers cup in mike yes rush marillion elp genesis king crimson dream theater beatles mike weintraub aka jvi on irc courageous convictions edu will drag the dream cerf net into existence the american university washington dc rush not limbaugh go philadelphia flyers vancouver canucks philadelphia phillies john runski well here it is nhl in the year got these from very reliable source in dream some years ago and although initially thought had just been taking too many too strong drugs now it seems the realization has really begun you can see the league has already started to move to this direction the walt disney conference anaheim mighty chipmunks franchise name to be changed after each new la kings hockey movie la flames we ve seen some of that san jose sharks san diego bruins tijuana red wings detroit hockey team will follow its car industry dallas stars houston oilers texas rangers seattle canucks the norm green conference alabama white hawks biloxi blues tampa bay lightning miami blades helsinki jets you ve heard them starting getting used to the anthem montreal quebecois sp there will be no canada atlanta devils orlando penquins key west islanders hartford whalers the whalers will never move huh palm beach capitals now that the anahaim team is becomming real really beginning to believe the rest of the message sure the future will turn you into believers too after the nhl will abandond ice rinks it so expensive to cool down the rinks in the subtropics and the locals hardly know what ice is anyway nhl will become roller skating hockey league that way it can create more public interest in the game when local supporteres can play the game in their back yards hope just out of my mind there won really be disney team in anaheim will there the stars aren really moving scoring stats for the swedish nhl players april mats sundin watch most points during season kent nilsson calgary flames mats naslund montreal canadiens mats sundin quebec nordiques hakan loob calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames most goals during season hakan loob calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames tomas sandstrom la kings mats naslund montreal canadiens mats sundin quebec nordiques most assists during season kent nilsson calgary flames mats naslund montreal canadiens borje salming toronto maple leafs mats sundin quebec nordiques kent nilsson calgary flames borje salming toronto maple leafs thomas steen winnipeg jets ulf samuelsson watch most penalty minutes during season ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguins through ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguins ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguins kjell samuelsson philadelphia flyers ulf samuelsson hartford whalers ulf samuelsson hartford whalers borje salming toronto maple leafs rl rk name team ps ht wt born pts pl comment mats sundin que ulf dahlen min rw thomas steen win johan garpenlov sjs lw fredrik olausson win tomas sandstrom lak lw per erik eklund phi lw injured calle johansson was nicklas lidstrom det tommy sjodin min ulf samuelsson pit mikael andersson tbl lw michael nylander hfd lw roger johansson cgy jan erixon nyr lw peter andersson nyr kjell samuelsson pit tommy albelin njd per djoos nyr binghampton niclas andersson que lw halifax thomas forslund cgy lw salt lake patrik carnback mon lw injured patrik kjellberg mon lw fredericton rl rank last week rk rank jersey number ps position born mm dd yy goals assists pts points pl points scored since last posted list goalie stats name team ps ht wt born tommy soderstrom phi mm dd vs res sh sv gp mp ga gaa sog sv sv so pit chi pit was nyr edm cgy det bos hfd ott mtl njd det pit was min njd lak tor res result sh shots sv saves gp games played mp minutes played ga goals against gaa goals against average sog shots on goal sv saves sv saving percentage so shutouts assists staffan staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey was reading newspaper tidbit that mentioned that there is grammatical error on the stanley cup this newspaper the union leader manchester new hampshire stated that one of the years that the new york islanders won the cup the printing on the actual cup stated new york ilanders can anyone verify this forgot the exact year that this supposedly occured any die hard islander fans know about this the reason why am asking is because the paper is not very reliable we call it the union mis leader randy plymouth state college plymouth edu speaking of spelling errors on the cup wonder if the in pittsburgh made it to the cup you know how funny people can be about spelling pittsburgh warren arbogast darden visual communications with miles behind them university of virginia and more to go ten years ago the number of europeans in the nhl was roughly quarter of what it is now going into the season the numbers of euros on nhl teams have escalated to the following stats canadians americans europeans please note that these numbers are rounded off and taken from the top players on each of the teams my source is the vancouver sun here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick of watching game between an american and canadian team let say the red wings and the canucks and seeing names like bure konstantinov and borshevshky is this north america or isn it toronto detriot quebec and edmonton are particularly annoying but the numbers of euros on other teams is getting worse as well is the answer as simple as that you dislike russians live in vancouver and if hear one more word about pavel bure the russian rocket will completely throw up as it is now every time see the canucks play keep hoping someone will cross check bure into the plexiglass so hard they have to carry him out on stretcher by the way not canucks fan to begin with okay the stretcher remark was little carried away but the point is that resent nhl owners drafting all these europeans instead of canadians and some americans it denies young canadians the opportunity to play in their north american league and instead gives it to europeans who aren even better hockey players it all hype this european mystique is sickening but until nhl owners get over it canadian and american players will continue to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league with the numbers of euros in the nhl escalating the problem is clearly only getting worse and where would canadian hockey be today without the europeans dont say that the european influence on the league has been all bad for the game mean look at the way you play these days less fights and more hockey imho canadian hockey has had positive curve of development since the when the game was more brute than beauty all for the creation of european hockey league and let the bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent oh look you don like finns either just don want them on mine too bad almost all of you northamericans originates from europe hmmm and what kind of name is rauser doesn sound very canadian to me ps when analyzing teams like italy france and great britain you find that lot of their players are canadians with double citizenship ds richard rauser you have no idea what you re doing ca oh don worry about that we re professional wni outlaws we do this for living remember no matter where you go there you are dr banzai tomas nopp tel ellemtel telecom systems labs fax box email tomas ericsson se alvsjo snailmail could anyone recommend mail order distributor for hockey equipment thanks in advance wayne wayne westerhold rtp dg com data general corporation research triangle park nc ten years ago the number of europeans in the nhl was roughly quarter of what it is now going into the season the numbers of euros on nhl teams have escalated to the following stats canadians americans europeans please note that these numbers are rounded off and taken from the top players on each of the teams my source is the vancouver sun here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick of watching game between an american and canadian team let say the red wings and the canucks and seeing names like bure konstantinov and borshevshky is this north america or isn it toronto detriot quebec and edmonton are particularly annoying but the numbers of euros on other teams is getting worse as well smith anyways crawl back into the hole you crawled out of the nba doesn care where they get basketball players from major league baseball doesn give damn where they get baseball players from except cuba that is canada is in no imminent danger of being overtaken as the primary supplier of players sweden finland the czech republic and slovakia are all relatively small countries and cannot really produce players at greater rate than they are already producing them and the potential influx from the former soviet union is severely blunted because the system has been raided and is starved for finances and will take decade or two to recover and become real threat and the us will just maintain its slow increase canada should continue to supply plus of the top hockey players in the world for the forseeable future besides we need the european hockey market if hockey is to take its rightful place besides soccer as the two predominant world sports and since soccer is essentially boring unlike hockey live in vancouver and if hear one more word about pavel bure the russian rocket will completely throw up as it is now every time see the canucks play keep hoping someone will cross check bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on stretcher by the way not canucks fan to begin with okay the stretcher remark was little carried away but the point is that resent nhl owners drafting all these europeans instead of canadians and some americans it denies young canadians the opportunity to play in their north american league and instead gives it to europeans who aren even better hockey players it all hype this european mystique is sickening but until nhl owners get over it canadian and american players will continue to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league with the numbers of euros in the nhl escalating the problem is clearly only getting worse canadians are under no threat the european numbers will soon saturate if they haven already and by the time russia comes online again the nhl should be world league and there will be many more teams to stock and many more jobs for canadian hockey players in the near team the percentage of canadians will mostly decline because of americans not because of europeans all for the creation of european hockey league and let the bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent just don want them on mine crawl into hole and die gerald you know you re absolutely right think we should round up all those players of european descent and ship em back to where they came from let see with whom should we start dunno lemieux hmmm sounds like he has french blood in him hey france is part of europe send that euro blooded boy back don you americans study history the french settled in north america as early or before the british lemieux can probably trace back his north american heritage back lot further than most of us gerald true rumor fact big three way deal eric lindros going to ottawa senators and senators get from montreal montreal gets alexander daigle the first round pick from senators philly gets damphousse bellow patrick roy and draft pick another person incapable of rational thought gerald ten years ago the number of europeans in the nhl was roughly quarter of what it is now going into the season the numbers of euros on nhl teams have escalated to the following stats canadians americans europeans xenophobic trash deleted all for the creation of european hockey league and let the bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent just don want them on mine if you re going to go to those extremes guess you better start packing because unless you re native north american this isn your continent either lori hartford ny rangers first period hartford cunneyworth janssens greig ny rangers graves turcotte zubov second period ny rangers kovalev turcotte graves hartford sanderson cassels pp ny rangers amonte andersson vanbiesbrouck pp third period ny rangers messier amonte andersson hartford sanderson cassels sh hartford nylander ladouceur hartford verbeek zalapski hartford power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts cassels cunneyworth greig janssens ladouceur nylander sanderson verbeek zalapski ny rangers power play scorer pts amonte andersson graves kovalev messier turcotte vanbiesbrouck zubov in yesterday fracus between rob ray and brent hughes was it the camera angle or was ray actually punching hughes where it appeared he was punching him for those that didn see the game it was several inches below the belt and he punched him there quite few times dreadful also why did poulin get four minutes ve been watching playing hockey for good long time now and ve seen players with questionable tactics but never have seen what ray did on sunday this guy gets my all time loser award it one thing to repeatedly cross check someone to the back of the neck when they are down it another thing to have fist fight with someones balls ray should be thrown out of the league what an hole steve nhl results for games played standings patrick adams norris smythe tm pt tm pt tm pt tm pt xpit ymon ydet yvan was ybos ychi ycal nj yque ytor yla nyi ybuf stl ywin nyr har min edm phl ott tb sj clinched division title clinched playoff berth hartford whalers new york rangers period har cunneyworth janssens greig nyr graves turcotte zubov period nyr kovalev turcotte graves har sanderson cassels pp nyr amonte andersson vanbiesbrouck pp period nyr messier amonte andersson har sanderson cassels sh har nylanders ladouceur har verbeek zalapski powerplay opportunities whalers of rangers of shots on goal whalers rangers hartford whalers gosselin shots saves new york rangers vanbiesbrouck shots saves att spike here are the standings after the april update ll be leaving for japan in hours and won be back until april consequently will not post the week results until april email sent between april and april will be 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the first two postings thanks andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick of watching game between an american and canadian team let say the red wings and the canucks and seeing names like bure konstantinov and borshevshky is this north america or isn it toronto detriot quebec and edmonton are particularly annoying but the numbers of euros on other teams is getting worse as well sick too watching all american names like gretzky etc which names you accept sitting bull and dances with wolves it is north america what are you doing here jyri mighty ones get mightier tps the finnish champions are getting still stronger just heard some news according to which tps has acquired the next finnish hockey superstar jere lehtinen from kiekko espoo there are also some rumours about erik kakko reipas and marko jantunen kalpa being traded to tps both of this players are currently on the finnish olympic team think that jantunen is drafted to the nhl too btw is juha yl nen centre hpk drafted by the jets during last year he has reached the top level among finnish centres he had very good playoff games against tps hannu go jets go teemu teppo tappara canadiens blackhawks dear ulf would you possibly consider helpimontreal canadiens fans everywhere by throwing knee check in the direction of denis savard during your upcoming game against montreal we just can seem to win with him thanx alot pete pete harper baby baby don you hesitate cause just can wait wpi edu lady once you get me down on my knees or then you can do what you please wpi edu come on and love me skid row come on and love me was playing this golf game and something interesting happened on the hole drove the ball down the fairway when the ball was in mid flight the game completely froze couple seconds later the screen went completely black with an error message in large bubble letters that said division by zero thought it was funny considering am computer programmer and had never seen an error like this on an actual video game system like sega or nintendo or even atari or intellevision years ago oh yeah after the message there was also what must have been an address in hexadecimal forget the exact hex code that was given has this happened to anyone else it must have my game shouldn have been the only one to do this thanks randy psc plymouth edu on the lindros trade like ottawa would be stupid enough to get lindros why do you think quebec traded him lindros would go on personal strike again maybe should talk to ottawa mgmt about arranging such trade on that xenophobe thankfully nobody agreed with him publicly maybe we should look at baseball the supposed american pasttime sp look at all the damn latin americans playing there they should all be deported they aren american add sarcasm to taste to roger wow for once we agree hope this isn sign of things to come ll become ranting lunatic who talks about nothing but the leafs being the best in the campbell on the rangers told someone that nothing that happened in the patrick would surprise me anymore lied how the hell can team go into washington earn shutout then come back home and lose to pitiful hartford the absolute pinnacle of mediocrity can stand it pretty poorly smith is talking about calling up corey hirsch from binghamton everybody is pointing fingers this is definitely not the same team which wanted to prove itself in washington now nothing that happens in the patrick will surprise me yeah right keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs next time you go over my head ll have yours on platter cmdr benjamin sisko foul any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your body or stick if you get you are out for the game ve never seen game where one player has committed penalties something like this would require more attention by the referee unsportsmanlike contact an intentional foul this inlcludes all the current flavours of roughing fighting and boarding if you get two you are thrown out of the game and fined technical foul bad mouthing the ref by player or coach penalty shot is awarded two and you are thrown out of the game besides the penalty shot for one technical if the team gets penalties in period the opposing team gets penalty shot for every additional one until the end of the period the victim gets two shots if he she was in the act of shooting when the foul ocured this works well for several reasons first penalty shots are the most exciting thing in hockey right so it follows that the more the better next when the player is setting up for penalty shot the network can take commercial finally with only three penalties the network announcers don meredith dick vitale john madden pat summerall and marv levy among others will be able to tell the viewers what happened before the pa announcer says it but you re creating scoring opportunity where there might not have been one before can see the relationship between free throws awarded after certain number of fouls but it obviously easier to score in basketball there are more opportunities if basketball team scores points that at least fifty chances made the average number of shots taken by each team in hockey game and this is total guess is probably around and team is lucky to capitalize on maybe of them you have some good ideas concerning the other penalties but think that player should be awarded penalty shot only when they had chance to score and was interfered with also later in the post you talked about how boring the nba game you attended was that play was stopped too often wouldn your penalty shot rule take up more time during hockey game matt att uva anyways crawl back into the hole you crawled out of the nba doesn care where they get basketball players from major league baseball doesn give damn where they get baseball players from except cuba that is mlb is perfectly willing to take players from cuba they just have to defect first sort of like the situation used to be with russian czech etc hockey players until the political situation in those countries changed major league baseball has told the blue jays and the expos not to sign oscar linares think that is his name canada does not have the restrictions against cubans that the us has and other major league teams have told the canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the expos or the blue jays would do this cubans players would not have to defect to play in canada and could play the home games for the expos and blue jays without any trouble gerald messier is joke this year bad back not withstanding his play is the reason the rangers will be on the golf course in couple of weeks gartner is my choice the guy works his butt off every game kovalev no surprise he played adequately but as bad defensively kovalev is too talented player to play for roger nielson roger needs players who can think for themselves and can only skate in straight lines up and down the ice dudley and nielson are the only two coaches bad enough in the league to take talents like mogilny and kovalev and not know how to turn them into bure and selanne as was predicted in preseason perhaps he ll pull an alex mogilny in couple of years and surprise us then zubov wasn expected to make it out of the minors this season and owing to the number of injuries has proved to be very pleasant surprise get muckler as coach and kovalev will look like mogilny the trouble with the rangers is that neil smith went out and got players like messier kovalev and graves who have been schooled in taking the game to their opponent and attacking while hiring coaches who are interested in rope dope strategies if you want the roger nielsons of the world to be your coach you don go out and get mark messier who is an old dog who can learn new tricks from known loser and you don waste your draft picks on players like kovalev gerald gerald true rumor fact big three way deal eric lindros going to ottawa senators and senators get from montreal montreal gets alexander daigle the first round pick from senators philly gets damphousse bellow patrick roy and draft pick sheesh the rumor mill strikes again but let just assume this were true my question is this what would montreal give san jose if the sharks got first pick and took daigle tim irvin no no no since all the penalties fall into three classes there should only be three penalties foul any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your body or stick if you get you are out for the game unsportsmanlike contact an intentional foul this inlcludes all the current flavours of roughing fighting and boarding if you get two you are thrown out of the game and fined technical foul bad mouthing the ref by player or coach penalty shot is awarded two and you are thrown out of the game besides the penalty shot for one technical if the team gets penalties in period the opposing team gets penalty shot for every additional one until the end of the period the victim gets two shots if he she was in the act of shooting when the foul ocured these new rule changes are great however think that your rules are much too complicated how will the normal average fan be able to count how many fouls player has and then we would even have to remember the names of the players in order to determine who drew the foul and of course there will have to be new sub positions like the power center who just sits in the slot until the blue of course puck comes near him and the shooting defenseman and the point defenseman finally we ll be able to keep stats on the best and the worst penalty shot takers since almost everyone on the ice will be getting fouled we ll be able to see ulf samuellson sp and tie domi miss penalty shots like crazy keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs next time you go over my head ll have yours on platter cmdr benjamin sisko mvp biggest biggest suprise disappointment los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey would have chosen alex zhitnik for biggest suprise they did expect that he would become great defenseman but don think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his rookie year his speed skating ability and puck control is exceptional he is the one to watch on the kings agree with marty mcsorely and warren rychel running close second and third am surprised more people have not noted knickle as the biggest surprise even though personally do not really rate him well the biggest disappointment has to be carson though this is really unfair since too much was expected of him the second biggest disappointment is melrose with his adolescent handling of the goaltending problems putting hrudey on the bench for month is just stupid it did not contribute to the team coming out of its slump mvp is surely robitaille dvb of course we need new position names for those unable to remember the very complicated hockey terminology old name new name centre the guy in the middle left wing the guy on the left right wing the guy on the right defenceman the guy back there goaltender the guy in the net or cage as my mother calls it referee the guy with the whistle linesman the guy with the arms coach the guy in the suit gm the head guy puck the black thing red line the line in the middle blue line the line on the side crease the place in front of the guy in the net faceoff circle the round thing where they stand slot or point over there must point to accompany term bench the place where they sit penalty box the place where they sit when they re bad mr bettman the guy in the wrong sport mr stein the guy who should be in charge but isn of course we also need new names for the individual awards and other stuff like the president cup president cup the trophy given to the best regular season team hart winner the most valuable player chosen from the guys in the middle the guys on the right the guys on the left the guys back there and the guy in the net though typically given only to the guys in the middle and the guys on the left and on the right norris winner the best guy in the back or the guy who was awarded for something even though he is not one of the guys in the middle or on the left or the right ad nauseum keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs next time you go over my head ll have yours on platter cmdr benjamin sisko heard last night that paul kuryia will be playing for the canadian world hockey team this year he was on local radio station when friend of the familty called to congratulate him on the invitation meekly paul told the host that he didn think they wanted it out yet this morning heard that he is destined to play on line with lindros and recci unsure of this one if he plays well in this arena he could go or in the draft after seeing hrivnak and tabarraci play who would you prefer to have and how about tyler larter what ever happened to him you know what my answer will be hrivnak the choice is obvious go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu after seeing hrivnak and tabarraci play who would you prefer to have and how about tyler larter what ever happened to him you know what my answer will be hrivnak the choice is obvious ok but have you seen tabaracci play yet in his two starts and his relief effort for beaupre he has looked mighty sharp don forget the shutout think he let in just four goals over eight periods of play like hrivnak but we might actually have to give some credit to david poile for change after this trade hopefully if tabaracci starts against the isles tonight haven jinxed him frank salvatore ncsu edu was thinking about who on each of the teams were the mvps biggest surprises and biggest disappointments this year team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau my votes fwiw team mvp pat verbeek he fans on of goal mouth feeds but he still has goals after terrible start and has been an examplary sp team captain throughout tough couple of seasons honorable mention nick kypreos and mark janssens probably more appropriate in the unsung heroes category than mvp but kypreos goals pim has been the hardest working player on the team and janssens is underrated as defensive center and checker guess place greater emphasis on hard work than skill when determining value biggest surprise geoff sanderson he had goals and points last season as center then moved to left wing and has so far put up goals and points he now has new whaler record power play goals most all coming from the right wing faceoff circle his garden spot honorable mention andrew cassels and terry yake the kiddie quartet of sanderson poulin nylander and petrovicky have been attracting the most attention but cassels is just and will score close to points this season he has quite nicely assumed the role of number one center on the team and works very well with sanderson yake bounced around the minors for number of seasons but is still and will put up about goals and points this season yake like sanderson started performing better offensively once he was converted from center to wing although lefty sanderson went to the left wing and righty yake went to the right side biggest disappointment hands down john cullen cullen had disasterous point season last year his first full season after the trade cullen started the season off of summer back surgery and fell flat on his face appropriate since he spent all of his whaler career flat on his ass and whining about it cullen scored just point on games was clubhouse malcontent commanded the powerplay to success percentage with sanderson and sulked his way out of town worst of all his year contract had three years left to run so no one would give up any more than the round draft pick the maple leafs offered to hartford honorable mention steve konroyd also subpar after signing year contract eric weinrich who showed flashes of competence but overall has played poorly jim mckenzie who was much better hockey player two seasons ago than he is now and frank pietrangelo who only seemed to play well when sean burke was out for an extended period and he got to make number of starts in row sg real live hartford whalers season ticket holder com for those leaf fans who are concerned the following players are slated for return on thursday winnipeg toronto game peter zezel john cullen mark osborne and dave ellett are questionable to return on thursday all regular players who were injured including dimitri mironov should be back for saturday home game against the flyers the faq sheet never fails to crash my newsreader the only way can avoid crashing and restarting the machine is to look at the headers and avoid reading the faq does anyone else have problems reading the faq tim irvin the season is near merciful end in article cs laurentian ca cs laurentian ca roger maynard wrote with the kind of team montreal has now they can take the cup easily the only problem they have right now is that everyone is trying to steal the show and play alone they need some massive teamwork this is known as the savard syndrome and we are talking denis not serge no team will ever win squat with the likes of denis savard in their lineup they could tell savard to stay home and watch the games on tv if life were so simple savard has not played in three of the last four games and they are still playing like crap montreal problems run deeper than savard and mouton unfortunately hope they can get their act together before the playoffs the line up in their game coming up against pittsburgh is said to be the one they re likely to use for the playoffs let hope they can forget about the nice weather we re having and play hockey paul valin tel bell northern research ltd email ca box station ottawa ontario canada only my opinions here the point there are far too many europeans in the nhl am sick of watching game between an american and canadian team let say the red wings and the canucks and seeing names like bure konstantinov and borshevshky is this north america or isn it toronto detriot quebec and edmonton are particularly annoying but the numbers of euros on other teams is getting worse as well gee you think winnipeg would be tops on that list what with regulars being european live in vancouver and if hear one more word about pavel bure the russian rocket will completely throw up as it is now every time see the canucks play keep hoping someone will cross check bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on stretcher by the way not canucks fan to begin with well being jet fan sometimes wish that bure would get knocked silly too nothing serious just enough to keep him out of game okay the stretcher remark was little carried away but the point is that resent nhl owners drafting all these europeans instead of canadians and some americans it denies young canadians the opportunity to play in their north american league and instead gives it to europeans who aren even better hockey players it all hype this european mystique is sickening but until nhl owners get over it canadian and american players will continue to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league in most cases the owners have very little to do with it they give their general managers one order when it comes to the draft find me the best players so that our team will win the stanley cup whether that player is in kindersley saskatchewan or chelyabinsk russia if the gm believes him to be the better player the gm should be drafting him where do you get off calling the nhl their league when referring to canadian players it doesn belong to them it belongs to the owners the owners can do what they want while canadian content rule might be enforcable here in canada there is enough doubt that it would be enforcable in the us that the cfl sorry for the football reference didn even try to push their import ratio rule on the sacromento goldminers increasing the competition for the elite positions in most cases would make players better anyways oh yeah and how many europeans play at the lower levels of professional hockey in north america while there are some that play in the ahl or the ihl where that an nhl team primary farm club you don hear of many europeans playing in the chl the echl or on the secondary farm teams in the ihl ie the jets do have few russian players in moncton but don believe there are any europeans in ft wayne so with all those teams there are plenty of positions for hockey players in north america with the numbers of euros in the nhl escalating the problem is clearly only getting worse all for the creation of european hockey league and let the bures and selannes of the world play on their own continent just don want them on mine in favour of the nhl being the league for the premier players in the world ve grown up with europeans playing on my team and some of those players were the among the best in the world from hedberg nilsson and sjoberg to sel nne zhamnov and olausson and all those in between and to come wouldn have it any other way daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder dunno lemieux hmmm sounds like he has french blood in him hey france is part of europe send that euro blooded boy back don you americans study history the french settled in north america as early or before the british lemieux can probably trace back his north american heritage back lot further than most of us friendly jibe mode on don you canadians understand sarcasm sometimes the reader must decide that what he reading is so ludicrous that it must mean the opposite of what it said kinda like the toronto going to win the cup posts yeah right and cows can fly friendly jibe mode off geez gerald like anyone reading rec flamefest hockey pens are great didn know that le mow was from quebec patrick anyways crawl back into the hole you crawled out of the nba doesn care where they get basketball players from major league baseball doesn give damn where they get baseball players from except cuba that is mlb is perfectly willing to take players from cuba they just have to defect first sort of like the situation used to be with russian czech etc hockey players until the political situation in those countries changed sherri nichols com mighty ones get mightier tps the finnish champions are getting still stronger oh no say it isn so btw is juha yl nen centre hpk drafted by the jets during last year he has reached the top level among finnish centres he had very good playoff games against tps yes yl nen is draft choice of the jets assuming of course this is the same yl nen that played for kiekko espoo in he was round overall pick of the jets in the entry draft noticed in the summaries that yl nen had really begun to play well in the playoffs daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder you know you re absolutely right think we should round up all those players of european descent and ship em back to where they came from let see with whom should we start dunno lemieux hmmm sounds like he has french blood in him hey france is part of europe send that euro blooded boy back don you americans study history the french settled in north america as early or before the british lemieux can probably trace back his north american heritage back lot further than most of us gerald uh gerald think he was joking lisa somebody wrote love to see european nhl division but can see it happen for some time there simply not enough fan interest at the moment in several crucial markets like germany italy and france while sweden and finland probably can afford to shell out for tickets the way american canadian fans do call it the minnesota north stars effect scandinavians do love hockey but we prefer to watch local inexpensive hockey to the nhl the national hockey league should love the idea though pan european tv channels such as eurosport could bring in the millions the american networks likely never will pay this brings up question asked myself no answer when it was mentionned that the nhl could expand in europe would most of the north americans now playing in the nhl be willing to play for team in europe do not think that the majority of hockey players are necessarily interested in expanding their cultural experience to that level know would but am not pro hockey player when one recalls some players remarks in the last few years it makes me wonder how european expansion could be achieved remember these lindros did not want to play in quebec for more than reasons nicholls in edmonton courtnall wanted to be traded to la only lemieux said he would refuse to go to edmonton earlier this year know there are many non cultural reasons behind these but there is more some american players who played for the expos complained about the french fact and that the city was not quite like the other us cities one players wife trying to make her point went on to complain that she could not even find her favorite brand of nacho chips in montreal anybody knows what happened when all these us football players moved to london spain etc for the one year of that new football league years ago wonder what the players association thinks about going to europe myself would like to see some european teams but what would be the best way to do it marc of course penalties will have to be changed roughing chauvanistic males being aggressive slashing chauvanistic males venting frustration fighting proof that males cannot cope with their feelings no no no since all the penalties fall into three classes there should only be three penalties foul any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your body or stick if you get you are out for the game unsportsmanlike contact an intentional foul this inlcludes all the current flavours of roughing fighting and boarding if you get two you are thrown out of the game and fined technical foul bad mouthing the ref by player or coach penalty shot is awarded two and you are thrown out of the game besides the penalty shot for one technical if the team gets penalties in period the opposing team gets penalty shot for every additional one until the end of the period the victim gets two shots if he she was in the act of shooting when the foul ocured this works well for several reasons first penalty shots are the most exciting thing in hockey right so it follows that the more the better next when the player is setting up for penalty shot the network can take commercial finally with only three penalties the network announcers don meredith dick vitale john madden pat summerall and marv levy among others will be able to tell the viewers what happened before the pa announcer says it oh one other rule when goal is scored times period the play cannot resume until the pa announcer announces it this way the network can sneak in few more commercials then once the pa announcer has told them who scored the tv announcer can tell you the viewer and even have chance of pronouncing his name right seriously though actually went to see nba basketball game last week for the first time in my life was amazed how boring it was the play is so slow they actually had fans come out for things like free throw shooting contests during the period of course the laker girls get to do their routines at least times during the game and not just between periods either there is whistle every seconds on average maybe less the game is minutes with minutes between quarters and and minute halftime and it still takes over hours the reason for this has to be tv there is plenty of room to throw in commercials and have the announcer jabber while nothing else is happening on tv basketball is fairly entertaining imho but it is better to watch it on tv than to be there if this is the road the nhl is following then it truly is sad day enough for now dvb how long has don cherry been student at sfu or is that arche bunker please keep this racist drivel off of the net you re an embarassment to canadians everywhere bill btw is juha yl nen centre hpk drafted by the jets during last year he has reached the top level among finnish centres he had very good playoff games against tps not sure about juha but another top center rauli raitanen ss is drafted by jets raitanen had very good year and he has played in the finnish nationalteam believe that he ll be one of the best finns in this year wc if matikainen head coach elects him to the team hannu tommi in article cs laurentian ca for those of you who can only decide which team is best after you have seen the standings tor chi det van no team in the campbell conference has better record than toronto that true but according to your stats chicago has just as good record as toronto it interesting that you should list toronto ahead of chicago laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings when will the new miami franchise team announce it name just curious the south florida colons go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu just testing no flames please bye archive name hockey faq rec sport hockey answers to frequently asked questions and other news contents new info nhl nhl minor leagues college hockey north america 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norris patrick smythe calgary formerly atlanta flames detroit formerly detroit cougars detroit falcons edmonton formerly alberta oilers wha edmonton oilers wha hartford formerly new england whalers wha minnesota cleveland barons were merged with minnesota for the season new jersey formerly kansas city scouts colorado rockies quebec formerly quebec nordiques wha toronto formerly toronto arenas toronto st patricks winnipeg formerly winnipeg jets wha teams with mailing lists see section for addresses boston buffalo los angeles montreal philadelphia pittsburgh st louis san jose tampa bay vancouver washington schedule schedule for the nhl april sun mon tue wed thu fri sat min cal mon was buf bos det chi nyi nyr cal sj har pit chi stl que ott van det tor phi win edm win sj ott har van tb min la mon nyi nj tor tb phi pit que bos buf har nyr bos que edm van que bos van cal bos mon cal sj buf min har ott chi nyi pit nyr buf det stl chi cal la mon pit det tb chi tb pit nj edm sj nyr nj sj la har que nyr was nyi was was phi la sj van ott phi win tor win stl min stl tb nj was ott nyi nyr pit phi tor ott bos was mon mon buf bos ott phi buf que buf nyr phi cal edm nyi har sj cal cal van chi min pit nj tor chi tb chi la van was nyr min det win edm ott que edm win tor har stl tor har nyi min stl tb win van la nyi nj nj pit tb stl the season will begin on and end on playoffs will begin on and end on or before nhl regular season games will be played in non nhl cities during season cities milwaukee sacramento cleveland indianapolis phoenix miami oklahoma city dallas atlanta cincinnati providence peoria hamilton saskatoon halifax here is chart showing the number of games between the teams games each nj nyi nyr phi pit was bos buf har mon ott que chi det min stl tb tor cal edm la sj van win valerie hammerl buffalo edu has posted this year version of nhl schedule program for nhl games for example users can find out the games played on certain date or find out the next ten games played by team copy can be obtained by mailing buffalo edu following is the neutral site schedule tue calgary vs minnesota saskatoon tue ottawa vs toronto hamilton tue chicago vs washington indianapolis tue toronto vs quebec hamilton wed buffalo vs new jersey hamilton tue los angeles vs chicago milwaukee tue montreal vs los angeles phoenix wed tampa bay vs new york rangers miami sun edmonton vs new york islanders oklahoma city tue new york islanders vs st louis dallas mon san jose vs montreal sacramento mon hartford vs winnipeg saskatoon mon boston vs pittsburgh atlanta mon st louis vs hartford peoria tue philadelphia vs calgary cincinnati sat quebec vs tampa bay halifax mon new york rangers vs san jose sacramento mon detroit vs philadelphia cleveland tue winnipeg vs ottawa saskatoon mon vancouver vs buffalo hamilton thu minnesota vs vancouver saskatoon tue washington vs detroit milwaukee tue new jersey vs boston providence sun pittsburgh vs edmonton cleveland location subject to change nhl playoff schedule wales conference division semifinals april campbell conference division semifinals april may wales conference division finals may campbell conference division finals may wales conference final may campbell conference final may stanley cup final june if neccessary news scores spike bryan strouse cb att com posts weekday news and box scores sunday through thursday john curcio philips com posts weekend news and box scores both maintain mail lists for faster delivery net contacts post team news as they see hear read it notable team news transactions and announcements note that this information is culled from press releases and posts it is updated each month and only information currently under discussion or of continuing importance or interest will be listed for more than two postings boston bruins boston legislators and the developers proposing new boston garden finally agreed to deal that puts the seat million project back on track to be finished in september right wing daniel marois will be sidelined indefinitely following surgery to repair herniated disc in his back sent defenseman glen murray to providence of the american hockey league buffalo sabres puck acquired left winger bob errey from pittsburgh for defenseman mike ramsey veteran buffalo sabres broadcaster ted darling will be inducted into the club hall of fame sunday april darling who joined the expansion sabres in was the team play by play announcer on both television and radio until illness forced him out of the booth during last season recalled forwards viktor gordiouk and doug macdonald from rochester of american hockey league calgary flames acquired veteran right wing greg paslawski from philadelphia for future considerations recalled center todd harkins and left winger tomas forslund from salt lake city of international hockey league chicago blackhawks the million privately financed united center scheduled to open in august will be home to the nba chicago bulls and nhl chicago blackhawks the stadium is owned by entities controlled by the two teams the owners apparently still have not made decision on whether the old chicago stadium will be razed for parking space once the new facility located directly across the street opens suspended defenseman craig muni indefinitely for failing to report following trade with edmonton detroit red wings acquired defenseman steve konroyd from hartford for sixth round draft pick annnounced the signing of right wing joe frederick their pick in the national hockey league entry draft two contrite hockey fans have returned the stolen michigan sports hall of fame plaque honoring detroit red wing great gordie howe the bronze plaque was stolen more than four years ago from cobo hall in detroit site of the michigan hall of fame edmonton oilers sent forward esa tikkanen to the new york rangers for center doug weight traded defenseman craig muni to chicago for forward mike hudson nhl commissioner gary bettman said the edmonton oilers lease with northlands coliseum must be improved if the team is to survive in the city edmonton northlands is non profit agency set up by the city to administer exhibition facilities including the coliseum oilers owner peter pocklington calls his lease with northlands horrendous and has threatened to move the team if he doesn get better deal he makes no money from parking concessions or building advertising the seat coliseum also has few of the lucrative private boxes that produce significant revenues for other owners announced center kevin todd will not need surgery but will miss the remainder of the season with separated shoulder hartford whalers sent defenseman steve konroyd to detroit for sixth round draft pick acquired left winger robert kron and third round draft pick from vancouver for left winger murray craven and fifth round draft pick the state of connecticut will begin negotiations to buy the civic center from the city in an effort to keep the financially struggling hartford whalers franchise in the city los angeles kings sent center john mcintyre to the new york rangers for defenseman mark hardy and ottawa fifth round draft pick minnesota north stars if calling from the if calling from canada the dallas city council has approved an agreement with the minnesota north stars that will bring the nhl club to reunion arena next season defenseman mark tinordi captain of the north stars will be sidelined the rest of the season including any postseason games the north stars might play because of broken collarbone acquired defenseman mark osiecki from winnipeg for ninth and round draft picks in added defenseman travis richards from the university of minnesota former employee filed sexual harassment suit against minnesota north star owner norman green karen kari dziedzic green former executive assistant claims green often instructed her to wear cosmetics described her outfits as very hot and very sexy once slapped her hand as she was about to eat and humiliated her by grabbing her hand and rubbing it through client hair the minnesota north stars who will move to dallas after this season announced that nearly season ticket reservations have been made for their new home at reunion arena which has capacity of the met center commission has told the minnesota north stars that it wants the club out with its keys returned at midnight after the last home game the club is moving to dallas for next season the club must pay unpaid interest of on the team late rent payment for which was made earlier this month and has been instructed not to take property such as the scoreboard and zamboni ice surfacing machine derian hatcher game misconduct penalty was rescinded by the nhl allowing the minnesota defenseman to play in the north stars last two regular season games hatcher was given the penalty during fight at the end of loss at st louis on sunday april but the league didn rescind the game misconduct penalty shane churla received the stars recalled center cal mcgowan from their top minor league club in kalamazoo mich to replace churla montreal canadiens acquired defenseman rob ramage from tampa bay for minor league defensemen eric charron and alain cote and future considerations new jersey devils bernie nicholls publicly apologized for his criticism of referee denis morel after the devils loss to the buffalo sabres nicholls was ejected by morel for being the third man in on fight late in the second period of that game and afterward nicholls called morel homer and an embarrassment to the referee association new york islanders traded right wing daniel marois to boston for conditional draft choice new york rangers obtained forward esa tikkanen from edmonton for center doug weight acquired left winger mike hartman from tampa bay acquired center john mcintyre from los angeles for defenseman mark hardy and ottawa fifth round draft pick defenseman brian leetch will undergo additional surgery on the right ankle he broke in non skating fall and is not expected to play again this season leetch suffered the broken ankle march following victory over san jose the team said he slipped on an icy patch of pavement as he was getting out of taxi cab in front of his apartment announced that defenseman james patrick will require surgery on herniated disc in his back and will not play again this season returned goaltender corey hirsch to binghamton of the american hockey league ottawa senators the ottawa senators received the go ahead to build the seat palladium on the proposed location in nearby kanata ont the projected cost is million construction will be postponed until the season one year behind schedule the ottawa senators lost their consecutive nhl road game to tie the washington capitals for most road losses in row assigned left wing martin st amour to new haven of the american hockey league philadelphia flyers the opening date of spectrum ii has been pushed back to fall formal groundbreaking has been postponed indefinitely traded veteran right wing greg paslawski to the calgary flames for future considerations pittsburgh penguins traded left winger bob errey to buffalo for defenseman mike ramsey reacquired defenseman peter taglianetti from tampa bay lightning for third round draft choice revolutionary comics of san diego agreed to destroy all available copies of mario lemieux comic book in settlement with the pittsburgh penguins over trademark infringement lawsuit the penguins sued in february charging that the sport stars mario lemieux comic infringed on the team logo and uniform which are registered trademarks quebec nordiques st louis blues st louis blues center ron sutter will miss the rest of the season as result of separating his right shoulder san jose sharks the san jose sharks announced that ticket prices will increase by about for the season when they move from the cow palace into new million arena in san jose recalled defenseman tom pederson from kansas city of the international hockey league reached agreement in principle with left wing alexander cherbayev tampa bay lightning at least two investor groups are poised to build sports arena in downtown tampa if the delay plagued company that holds lease from the tampa bay lightning bows out tampa coliseum inc has lease with the national hockey league team to develop an entertainment and sports arena next to tampa stadium but has been unable to raise enough money for the project sent left winger mike hartman to the new york rangers for center randy gilhen sent defenseman peter taglianetti to pittsburgh for third round draft choice sent defenseman rob ramage to the montreal canadiens for minor league defensemen eric charron and alain cote and future considerations manon rheaume first starting appearance in goal for the atlanta knights was impressive enough for her coach to say she has chance to be backup goalie for another minor league team next season rheaume the first female to play professional hockey stopped shots and gave up six goals against the cincinnati cyclones on saturday night april after the game her coach gene ubriaco said rheaume performed well enough to compete for the no goalie spot with the louisville icehawks of the east coast hockey league next season the knights and the icehawks are minor league clubs of the tampa bay lightning as their first season comes to close there are rumors swirling that the tampa bay lightning just might become the atlanta lightning or the minnesota lightning but they are just rumors according to lightning general manager phil esposito espn reported on sunday april that the lightning who have been playing in seat expo hall are exploring opportunities to move to either atlanta or minneapolis but esposito said there was no truth to the report we were disappointed with espn irresponsible comment esposito said there is just no substance to the rumor rumors have been swirling for the past two years regarding move by tampa bay which is presently discussing plans to build new arena toronto maple leafs defenseman matt martin who helped maine win the ncaa hockey championship gave up his final year of eligibility and signed contract with the toronto maple leafs vancouver canucks the vancouver canucks have cleared the last hurdle in their effort to build new stadium vancouver council has given the green light for the million dollar complex it will seat thousand people and will have an adjoining office tower it will be built between the viaducts near place in vancouver site preparation will begin this summer with completion date of fall traded left winger robert kron and third round draft pick to hartford for left winger murray craven and fifth round draft pick obtained defenseman dan ratushny from winnipeg for ninth round draft pick signed right wing brian loney to multi year contract and assigned him to hamilton of american hockey league ahl washington capitals caps traded goaltender jim hrivnak and future considerations to winnipeg for goaltender rick tabaracci winnipeg jets winnipeg jets have been allowed economic assistance in order to keep them in the smythe division as result of expansion sent defenseman mark osiecki to minnesota for ninth and round draft picks in sent goaltender rick tabaracci to washington for jim hrivnak and future considerations sent defenseman dan ratushny to vancouver for ninth round draft pick winnipeg teemu selanne broke the nhl rookie points record the jets rookie tied the record of points set by peter stastny with quebec with goal his of the season and moved ahead on an assist in loss to toronto the fort wayne komets said they have been told by winnipeg that the jets will keep minor league affiliation with moncton of the american hockey league there have been reports the jets would move players from moncton to fort wayne next season expansion news the national hockey league announced that the expansion anaheim and south florida franchises will join the league for the season disney and national hockey league officials announced monday march that the mighty ducks of anaheim disney expansion team will take to the ice next fall michael eisner chairman and chief executive officer of the walt disney co said the mighty ducks will play at the pond the new anaheim sports arena near disney flagship theme park the arena is under construction and will be completed in june the pond seats the team still must meet the league requirement that it sell at least season tickets for the final grant of nhl membership anaheim named jack ferreira general manager and pierre gauthier assistant general manager veteran nhl scout al godfrey has been hired as the midwest regional scout for the anaheim mighty ducks philadelphia flyers senior vice president bobby clarke was named monday march to the post of general manager for miami nhl expansion team franchise owner wayne huizenga made the announcement at the miami arena three months after being awarded franchise huizenga said he plans to have team on the ice in time for the beginning of the nhl season in october realignment eastern conference atlantic division washington capitals new jersey devils new york islanders new york rangers philadelphia flyers south florida tampa bay lightning northeast division boston bruins buffalo sabres hartford whalers montreal canadiens ottawa senators pittsburgh penguins quebec nordiques western conference central division chicago blackhawks dallas stars detroit red wings st louis blues toronto maple leafs winnipeg jets pacific division anaheim mighty ducks calgary flames edmonton oilers los angeles kings san jose sharks vancouver canucks schedule eastern conference teams will play five games against each of six divisional opponents four games against each of the seven teams in the conference other division and two games against each of the western conference members western conference teams will play six games against each of five divisional opponents four games against each of the six teams in the conference other division and two games against each of the eastern conference clubs playoffs the system will be conference based with the no team meeting the no team in the first round no vs no no vs no and no vs no matchups will be based on overall points with the four division champions being placed in the first or second place seeds in each conference and being assured of home ice in the first two playoff rounds all series will be best of seven rotation except matchups between central and pacific teams those series will rotate to reduce travel in those cases the team with the most regular season points will choose whether to start the series at home or away draft news under terms of the new expansion draft which will be held in june each of the existing clubs will be allowed to protect one goaltender five defensemen and nine forwards the most recent expansion drafts allowed teams to protect two goalies and did not make distinction between forwards and defensemen first year pros only will be exempt from the draft which is down from the two year exemption teams had last season san jose tampa bay and ottawa still will be allowed to exempt second year pros each of the teams will lose two players with maximum loss of one goaltender and maximum loss of one defenseman the one exception is that team which loses goaltender can then no longer lose defenseman at the end of the first phase of the draft the two new franchises will have three goaltenders eight defensemen and forwards for total of players second phase then will be conducted where san jose tampa bay and ottawa will select two players each from the rosters of the two new teams ottawa tampa bay and san jose will be guaranteed priority drafting selection in the draft as long as they have the three worst records anaheim and miami will choose no lower than fourth and fifth the expansion franchises will move up in the draft should either san jose tampa bay or ottawa not finish in the bottom three positions the two new teams will pick first and second in the entry draft regardless of their finish in should either of the two new teams not play next season they would have priority drafting position in the owners announced the draft will be in hartford and the draft in winnipeg the draft was scheduled for boston but delay in the construction of new arena required the draft be moved league news disputes the nhl owners and players have resolved differences over salary arbitration procedures clearing the way for about hearings nhlpa executive director bob goodenow didn disclose how the issues were resolved but the prior sticking point had been the manner in which statistics were used in arbitration hearings olympics the nhl announced february it will not make professional players available to compete in the winter olympics league leadership los angeles kings owner bruce mcnall succeeded blackhawks owner bill wirtz as chairman of the nhl powerful board of governors appointed to join mcnall on the executive committee were ron corey of the montreal canadiens mike ilitch of the detroit red wings peter pocklington of the edmonton oilers and ed snider of the philadelphia flyers gary bettman vice president and general counsel of the national basketball association was named commissioner of the national hockey league friday december miscellaneous henri richard bernie parent and billy smith have been named special ambassadors for the stanley cup centennial season long celebration of the nhl championship trophy the trio will appear at league wide function such as the all star game and stanley cup playoffs the national hockey league named john turner former prime minister of canada to serve on board of directors of hockey hall of fame and museum and nominated scotty morrison david taylor larry bertuzzi robert bundy walter bush murray costello jim gregory leslie kaplan lawrence meyer and alan tonks to serve on board which takes office march nhl president gil stein was one of four individuals elected to the hockey hall of fame builder category the others were buffalo sabres chairman of the board and president seymour knox iii vancouver canucks chairman frank griffiths and veteran canadian hockey executive fred page former nhl linesman john amico was selected in the hall of fame referee linesman category nhl tv games are carried on tsn and cbc in canada on espn in the check your local listings the national hockey league has struck conditional five year deal with espn to televise professional hockey through the season the series of agreements grants espn exclusive national coverage of the nhl starting with the season and the cable network has an option to extend the term of that domestic agreement for four more years the deal also grants espn exclusive international television distribution excluding canada for the next five years the league new tv contract calls for espn to televise up to regular season games to its domestic audience this coming season and playoff games including the entire stanley cup final the majority of espn regular season games will be televised on friday nights nhl commissioner gary bettman announced wednesday march that abc sports will televise five stanley cup playoff games starting next month abc will carry the playoff games on its network through an arrangement with espn the rightsholder for nhl games espn will provide the production of the games abc owns espn april wales conference game quarterfinals april campbell conference game quarterfinals may wales conference game semifinals may campbell conference game semifinals may wales conference game finals award winners all star teams hall of fame inductees and draft picks award winners hart trophy mvp mark messier nyr vezina trophy best goalie patrick roy mon norris trophy best defenseman brian leetch nyr calder trophy best rookie pavel bure van selke trophy best defensive forward guy carbonneau mon lady byng trophy sportsmanship wayne gretzky la jack adams award best coach pat quinn van bill masterton memorial trophy perseverance mark fitzpatrick nyi king clancy trophy contribution to community ray bourque bos jennings trophy lowest team gaa patrick roy mon art ross trophy most scoring points mario lemieux pit hall of famer players frank boucher and red dutton and executives bruce mcnall and gil stein thursday were named the winners of the lester patrick award for outstanding service to hockey in the united states the award is selected each year by committee representing wide cross section of the hockey community all star team patrick roy mon ray bourque bos brian leetch nyr mark messier nyr brett hull rw stl kevin stevens lw pit all star game starters as voted by fans wales conference mario lemieux pittsburgh jaromir jagr pittsburgh kevin stevens pittsburgh ray bourque boston brian leetch rangers patrick roy montreal campbell conference steve yzerman detroit brett hull st louis pavel bure vancouver chris chelios chicago paul coffey los angeles ed belfour chicago all rookie team gilbert dionne lw mon tony amonte rw nyr kevin todd nj vladimir konstantinov det nicklas lidstrom det dominik hasek chi hall of fame inductees marcel dionne bob gainey lanny mcdonald and woody dumart first round of the entry draft player pos team roman hamrlik tb alexei yashin ott mike rathje sj todd warriner lw que darius kasparaitis nyi cory stillman cal ryan sittler lw phi brandon convery tor robert petrovicky har andrei nazarov lw sj david cooper buf sergei krivokrasov lw chi joe hulbig lw edm sergei gonchar was jason bowen lw phi dmitri kvartalnov lw bos sergei bautin win jason smith nj martin straka pit david wilkie mon libor polasek van curtis bowen lw det grant marshall rw tor peter ferraro nyr new nhl rules game ejection for instigating fight helmets are optional grabbing an opponent stick as defensive move is penalty diving to draw penalty is penalty coincidental minors when both teams are full strength result in vs play high sticking is from the waist up new cba ratified by nhlpa on term september to september licensing and endorsements players own exclusive rights to their individual personality including their likenesses salary arbitration new rules negotiated salary arbitrators to be jointly agreed upon free agency compensation scale reduced for players age and under group iii free agent age reduced to from player who has completed or more professional seasons minor or nhl and who in last year of contract didn earn more than the average nhl salary can elect once in his career to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of his contract salary and awards players playoff fund increased to in in new minimum salary of insurance disability coverage dental broad based medical improvements increase in life insurance for players coverage for wives pension improved pension contributions of to per player per year depending on the player number of nhl games agreement on language to guarantee continuation of security plan negotiated in regular season increased from to games in for games played at neutral sites all arrangements and revenues to be shared rosters kept at skaters and goaltenders for entry draft reduced to rounds from supplemental draft one selection for each non playoff team joint study group examine financial state of nhl issue report to assist in preparing for negotiations nhl free agency categories effective until group players aged and under player choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation for compensation old club has right to match offer from new club for equalization old club has no right to match offer equalization which can consist of players draft picks and or cash must be agreed upon between two clubs or submitted to arbitration group ii players aged to player choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation for equalization old club has right to match offer only if it is at least for compensation schedule is one first round pick if player signs for year two first round picks if player signs for million year extra first round pick for each additional over year group iii players aged and over old club gets no compensation but has right to match offer to receive right to match old club must make qualifying offer of over player salary in prior season group iv players considered defected free agents group player with years of experience whose salary is below nhl average can choose to be free agent without compensation once in his career nhl minor leagues the nhl minor leagues are the international hockey league the american hockey league and the east coast hockey league information on the central hockey league and the american hockey association can be found in section ihl contacts ihl rob springall isc rit edu atlanta knights scott clarkson gatech edu cincinnati cyclones joseph combs uc edu cleveland lumberjacks rob gasser utoledo edu ft wayne komets rob gasser utoledo edu milwaukee admirals jason hanson mscs mu edu salt lake golden eagles roland behunin oo aflc af mil the international hockey league has granted franchise to las vegas group headed by henry stickney for the season the international hockey league named bob chase voice of the fort wayne komets as the league broadcaster of the year the ihl also said the annual award effective next year will be named in chase honor also honored by the ihl were jim loria of the kansas city blades as marketing director of the year shelly gartner of the phoenix roadrunners as merchandise manager of the year and steve doherty of the kalamazoo wings as public relations director of the year the atlanta knights of the international hockey league announced thursday april that manon rheaume will be the starting goaltender in home game saturday night april against the cincinnati cyclones rheaume will become the first female to start in regular season professional hockey game fort wayne announced winger scott gruhl will retire at the end of the international hockey league season gruhl will join the muskegon fury of the colonial league the fort wayne komets said they have been told by winnipeg that the jets will keep minor league affiliation with moncton of the american hockey league there have been reports the jets would move players from moncton to fort wayne next season the san diego gulls of the international hockey league set record with their victory over the salt lake golden eagles the gulls became the first team in professional hockey to win that many games in season the montreal canadiens won games ihl turner cup the kansas city blades defeated muskegon lumberjacks games to ahl contacts ahl rob springall isc rit edu bri farenell camp clarkson edu mark anania edu see section for newsletter information atlantic division cape breton fredericton halifax moncton st john northern division adirondack capital district providence new haven springfield southern division baltimore binghamton hershey rochester utica hamilton the new haven senators have been sold by peter shipman to the ottawa senators nhl organization they are the only canadian nhl team with an american ahl affiliate and have made it clear they intend to move the team to somewhere in the canadian atlantic provinces this sale and move has yet to be approved by the ahl head office but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting in may the baltimore skipjacks the washington capitals american hockey league affliate will skate next season as the portland pirates the calgary flames will base their farm team in the ahl in st john new brunswick next season the team will be called the st john blue flames the fort wayne komets of the ihl said they have been told by winnipeg of the nhl that the jets will keep minor league affiliation with moncton of the american hockey league there have been reports the jets would move players from moncton to fort wayne next season ahl calder cup the adirondack red wings beat the st john maple leafs games to the home ice curse held true as all 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by mitch mcgowan for the season please make corrections via mail indicating faq as the subject line feel free to start discussion on any previously mentioned topic but use an appropriate subject line mitch mcgowan washington edu after watching the pengiuns all year and as many other teams as possible ve really noticed an increase in tom barasso cheap shots this year and not noticed corrsponding increase with other goaltenders ve also noticed that he usually gets away with it just as examples last night noticed him elbowing scott stevens in the head which basically started the whole shoving match that got stevens scott and tocchet minute minors he also kicked john mclean of course he wasn called for that isn kicking an automatic match penalty and game suspension think glenn anderson got one few years ago for kicking gaetan duchesne in the chest there no doubt in my mind that barasso is the dirtiest golatender since hextall he also very good how about that tocchet head butt is there an automatic susppension that goes along with non kicking match penalty can remember anymore oh the playoffs should be fun ralph from anna matyas now if we could just clone chelios personality and transplant it into all of the defensemen on the islanders capitals and devils gerald in other words you want to turn them all into assholes so they will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of misconducts and this comes from chelios fan yeah and also be second in the team in scoring and play about minutes game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the best defenseman in the league take whole team of chelioses if could that way when one got penalty the others could kill it ralph more about the messier samuelsson incident while this is true strictly speaking it was the rocksteady replicant who initially used his stick illegally to measure messier ribcage there is no question in my mind from seeing the replay in slo mo that ulf was coming at messier with intent to hasta la vista in mind and should have been gone for that agree with rick that ulf cross check wasn illegal it was the kind of check you see dozen times during game without being called slo mos sometimes have tendency to make things look worse than they really are besides if messier can take the heat he should stay out of the kitchen so staffan how is mattias timmander doing this year and any impression on markus czeriew lost my roster list on hammerby does it look like they will make it to the eliteserien for next year and then get stomped if markus goes to boston well matt mattias timmander hasn been playing with the modo elite league team yet just the modo junior team so predict he needs few more years here before he can join the saw him play in the swedish championship game for junior players this year and he played very well physical game but not the kind of rough stuff that ulfie does suspect you would like to have ulf type of player on the team too as for mariusz czerkawski he has had great season for hammarby in division he scored if remember correctly points this season and then we have to keep in mind that point season in sweden is considered very good due to the limited number of games mariusz is djurgarden property he was just on loan to hammarby so he will play in elitserien next season unless the can get him of course would say that mariusz has to be one of the most exciting player to watch in swedish hockey this season staffan staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey well the patrick division got little more interesting last night the islanders lost in ot and the devils tied the pens that means if the isles beat the devils on friday the will meet the caps in the playoffs however have some more comments on the islanders and hockey in general that need to get off my chest first of all with the islanders back to back lackluster performances against the whalers one may think that the islanders are out of shape these guys always suck wind in the period come on little in the and run out of gas too soon it is unbelieveable how many one goal games these guys have lost anyway the games was pretty wide open the isles still have tons of trouble scoring the whalers played golie in is nhl start think his name was lenarduzzi sp his nhl debut was the tuesday tie against the isles like mentioned before this guy looked like the best golie on the planet for while until he misplayed mahlakov slap shot to go to ot say it because the isles don shoot correctly has anyone else noticed this also think it is really shame for hockey when guy like mick vukota gets as much ice time as he does this guy has about as much hockey talent as jiggs macdonald who did play hockey think anytime he gets the puck it gets stolen and he always starts fights and gets needless penalties richard pilon is another guy who is on the ice to stir up crap and he defenseman he got to be approaching negative infinity for his plus minus this guy gets beaten all the time why the need for such enforcers not only do fights slow the game down alot but it takes away from the guys who are really trying to play the game ll be one of the few to admit do enjoy good fight once in while but only when it called for you know when guy checks the goalie too hard in other words violation of hockey ethics might cause you to get puched but there is no need to start crap when you are losing or becuase you can get away with it does anyone agree that referees need to be little less lenient in the and ot mean come on already sick of seeing teams pulling guys down holding guys etc just becuase the referee doesn call it ot and late in the should be time for strategy not physical prowess trying to set up goal should be first and foremost if you are so afraid that the other team is going to score that you have to pull guy down to prevent it you don deserve to win in the first place just my honest opinion gary at hofstra hofstra edu bitnet if there anyone who can help me on these items please let me know markus naslund saw that modo lost early in the national tournament and that he was playing for the national team at the world championships any stats available any word on how he playing when is he expected to join the club markus had good season in modo in the swedish elite league scoring goals assists points and pim in games as daryl points out markus won be joining the pens for this year playoffs since the world championships starts april but there is good chance that markus will join the pens before next season modo though naturally wants to keep their superstars forsberg and naslund so the latest news on this is that modo is looking for personal sponsors for forsberg and naslund in order to match the kind of money they would receive in nhl by the club would assume you mean the pens don hold your breath you aren going to see naslund this year the world championship tournament doesn start until april so nhl teams won see any influx of europeans and no team playing in the wc will see sudden influx of eliminated nhlers the earliest player on playoff bound team could join wc team is the last game of the round robin and doubt any coach is going to want to play short one player for that long actually swedish coach curt lundmark is thinking about leaving two spots open for additions from eliminated nhlers it is mats sundin and calle johansson that curt hopes can join the team although in late stage of the tournament technically seem to recall that you can leave spots open until hrs before the wc final staffan staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey didn say every team must have number of local players rather the european teams should get the chance to sign their top players before the rest of the league comes in agree that birthplace isn that important dusseldorfer eg of the german league average close to fans and they don have single german born forward lion milan made the european final four with fifteen canadian born players but nationality is going to be an issue in sweden and finland think we really need an issue preventing lindros and mario from ending up being drafted by european team and vice versa player trades are different matter any player can end up anywhere after being drafted deg has many german born forwards in the team in fact the majority of players are german born deg had average in spectator arena my possible nhl european league site list switzerland berne zurich lugano and others germany dusseldorf cologne berlin munich mannheim rosenheim sweden stockholm gothenburg malmo gavle finland helsinki turku tampere italy milan france paris chamonix ruoen norway oslo austria vienna villach chech prag slovakia bratislava russia moscow st petersburg great britain netherlands petteri kortelainen played in stockholm globe arena april sweden finland swe jan larsson stefan nilsson patrik juhlin swe peter popovic mikael renberg thomas rundqvist fin mika nieminen ville siren mikko haapakoski fin timo saarikoski vesa viitakoski harri laurila sh swe fredrik stillman stefan nilsson patrik juhlin pp swe mikael renberg fin saku koivu mika alatalo shots on goal penalties attendance referee sweden borje johansson finland sweden well if things were different and had my way the headline would be nhl european division regular season game stockholm storm vs helsinki tornado two games against every north american based team in all and this might have been the ninth and final regular season encounter between helsinki and stockholm the remaining games would involve paris dortmund milan nice dream marcu staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey on march roger maynard wrote in reply to an article by graham hudson will still have the jennings trophy at the end of the year potvin is very good and do believe that he will be star but want to see him perform in the playoffs under pressure you don think he is performing under pressure now the major differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is play ing every other night which is physically exhausting and you play the same team in consecutive string of games is this what you mean by pressure have you even thought about what you mean by pressure or are your thoughts like most of the rest of this drivel simply half baked this was cs laurentian ca for anybody who would like to check he went on in another article to say paraphrased playoff hockey is just an expression used by announcers to convince simple minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is better product than regular season game now however in article cs laurentian ca with win over tough whaler squad the leafs showed all doubters what playoff hockey is all about so roger what exactly is playoff hockey all about or is it convenient phrase to use in certain circumstances only you see when you spout off with flame bait too many times sooner or later it catches up with you in article buffalo edu cc buffalo edu anyway this game continued trend that has sadly been taking shape for couple of weeks now had hoped it was fatigue or an aberration but can snow myself any longer alex mogilny must be benched as disciplinary action and soon his explanation for ysebaert jumping between him and lafontaine to score the winning goal yesterday wasn my guy ask patty about it actually this stuff from mogilny doesn surprise me all that much about or weeks ago read in the toronto sun quote from alex it went something like sarcastically yep patty the man he responsible for the team success nobody around here was going to post it at the time must have forgot since nobody else was talking about him being problem if heard that in the locker room beat the shit out of him on the spot patty took responsibility in the press taking the heat off of alex that because lafontaine is the epitome of class and consummate team player yep beat the shit out of him too lafontaine really must be team player makes you wonder what the islander management was thinking my question is what the hell is muckler doing whether he wishes to admit it or not the team is his to coach and if he can do the job then maybe the job should be given to somebody who can gee kinda like alex spot on the team isn it dr the devils advocate in article ryerson ca ryerson ca im sorry to tell you this but unless they pull off another miracle there is no way the habs will win this year ever since they traded for ramage and since savard came off injury they have been playing shinny and you cant blame roy for the loss to washington when players could not score one goal know you think am boston fan but all of my years have been dedicated to les habs david degan well it seems that the habs have been much talked about of late so here my these guys have absolutely no concept of how to play in front of the damn net watch them in the offensive zone especially on the powerplay damphousse or lebeau will skate all over the bloody zone maybe pass to the point get it back skate some more pass it around but where the shot answer the shot is totally useless because they lack forward who stands in front of the net la neely shanahan tocchet etc etc too bad demers won put dipietro or leclair on the powerplay more often dammit even ewen would at least cause some disruptions montreal desperately needs power forward with some talent imo then watch them in their own zone patrick roy is screened on everything say what you want about his performance imnsho he cannot stop what he cannot see and montreal defence does miserable job of clearing the front of the net last night against washington roy played great game the first goal came on the most ridiculous goalmouth scramble ve seen in long time and he didn have hope in hell of stopping the shot the second goal came on deflection of shot he only partially saw anyway pathetic defence the third goal was en no wonder he gets pissed off at his defencemen ists ca wales conference adams division semifinal boston vs buffalo the bruins are playing some excellent hockey and with cam neely back and moog his old self again this should be cake walk bruins in hoping for fuhr miracle but agree that boston will likely win the series goaltending is about equal top offensive players are about equal mogilny lafontaine vs oates juneau but buffalo has no answer to neely not to imply that neely is not top offensive player btw in fact he one of my favourites even though he damn bruin and the rest of the matchup wrt lineup favours boston anyway but think it will go six quebec vs montreal this one is very tough to call montreal certainly has the experience factor but quebec is more talented imho it ll come down to the goalies ll go with experience and roy canadiens in agreed here but montreal will be pushed to the limit is it just me or does everything montreal does in the playoffs come down to roy go habs final boston vs montreal will bruin domination continue in this rivalry yes moog has consistently outperformed roy in the playoffs after other stuff bruins in five can predict montreal victory because ve been watching them play for weeks and imo they severly need some tougher players especially to play in the garden last time they beat the but boston had clear territorial advantage the victory was roy at the same time can bring myself to predict the possibility of loss so ll just say will not be putting money on this series patrick division semifinal pittsburgh vs ny islanders what can say the pens are flying high and have the most talent in the league agreed ny doesn have the goaltending to stop the onslaught independent of the trouble they have given pittsburgh this year pens in five which is credit to ny washington vs new jersey capitals in agreed here too but think it will go at least six jersey has decent team and washington has done poorly against the division this year pittsburgh vs washington if the caps had bill ranford might see an upset but don beaupre just doesn inspire my hopes penguins in think they will use tabaracci more after beaupre gets shelled don think it will go six either maybe five conference final pittsburgh vs boston replay of last year the penguins are just as good as months ago and the bruins are much improved but penguins in if pittsburgh plays boston imo they win in likely five possibly six they own the bruins if they play montreal think it will go to seven and once again won be putting money on the seventh game say seven because the habs have played pittsburgh very tough this season campbell conference norris division semifinal chicago vs st louis or minnesota blackhawks in chicago will win but think in at least six chicago is not that good imo and remember that they take ridiculous numbers of penalties detroit vs toronto the leafs have had an excellent season but they ve been playing playoff hockey all year the habs under burns were the same way and always wilted in the playoffs red wings in very true the leafs have much to be proud of but they will soon find out why montreal did so lousy in the playoffs toronto might win two or three at mlg though wings in six maybe even seven final chicago vs detroit this will be war fedorov will win it in ot red wings in it will be war possibly the most intense playoff series of them all and yes think detroit will win probert will have to come up big though smythe division semi finals vancouver vs winnipeg canucks in our first disagreement canucks are playing like shit they don use their size at all which may explain why they get hammered by team chasing them calgary winnipeg in six calgary vs los angeles this would have been tough to call except for three things the kings don have goalie gary roberts will be back the kings shot themselves in the foot by trading proven winner paul coffey for proven loser jimmy carson gretzky is just too weary to carry this group flames in this is also tough for me to call because haven seen the smythe enough don think roberts will be well enough to figure in coffey is non issue who cares what carson has done before and never underestimate gretzky la in six final vancouver vs calgary flames in if it is these two calgary will not need six games but think it will be la winnipeg anyway and la in seven because of home ice coference final detroit vs calgary red wings in wow must ve been tough to go against your team but let see picked la detroit detroit will win probably in six stanley cup final pittsburgh vs detroit three in row and official dynasty status for the pens or can the wings complete dream season well the wings are better in goal not sufficiently so though imho and have better men however mario and the boys can sure score look for jagr to shine in the playoffs though sure would love to see probert beat some sense into him the pens are just too much especially since detroit will have tougher battle to get here penguins in if pittsburgh plays detroit it will go longer than five and wouldn bet against the wings they are very strong imo and nobody knows how strong because they ve been underachieving most of the year if forced to choose though have to take the penguins side note vlad last week you said that selanne was better player than gilmour no way he is more talented pure goal scorer but aside from the age difference there is no way would take him over gilmour on my team not asking for flames either btw ve spent more than enough time arguing on behalf of selanne and still say he great player but while he and gilmour are both dangerous offensively give teemu an edge gilmour does it all know lot of gilmour bashing goes on esp from flame fans but imo you guys are letting your dislike of gilmour cloud your judgement when it comes to his skill he is easily one of the best all round players in the nhl ists ca boston ottawa first period boston roberts juneau boston wiemer juneau oates second period boston neely juneau murphy boston hughes richer kimble ottawa archibald rumble lamb third period ottawa boschman kudelski boston power play scorer pts hughes juneau kimble murphy neely oates richer roberts wiemer ottawa power play scorer pts archibald boschman kudelski lamb rumble washington ny rangers first period no scoring second period no scoring third period washington bondra pivonka cavallini washington bondra cote pivonka washington power play scorer pts bondra cavallini cote pivonka ny rangers power play no scoring ny islanders hartford first period ny islanders ferraro malakhov king ny islanders hogue thomas turgeon hartford yake poulin hartford yake nylander poulin second period hartford verbeek cassels weinrich pp ny islanders thomas king ferraro third period hartford burt sanderson cassels ny islanders malakhov hogue overtime hartford janssens poulin hartford power play scorer pts burt cassels janssens nylander poulin sanderson verbeek weinrich yake ny islanders power play scorer pts ferraro hogue king malakhov thomas turgeon pittsburgh new jersey first period pittsburgh daniels needham tippett new jersey lemieux semak driver pittsburgh stevens tocchet murphy pp new jersey zelepukin driver niedermayer second period pittsburgh lemieux stevens tocchet new jersey semak lemieux zelepukin pittsburgh mceachern jagr barrasso new jersey stevens guerin pellerin pittsburgh lemieux unassisted sh new jersey richer nicholls new jersey lemieux semak zelepukin third period pittsburgh mullen jagr lemieux overtime no scoring pittsburgh power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts barrasso daniels jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphy needham stevens tippett tocchet new jersey power play scorer pts driver guerin lemieux nicholls niedermayer pellerin richer semak stevens zelepukin just quick note about manon immediate future rumor has it usa today spor ts page that she will be playing with tampa bay affiliate in the echl thin it been couple of days she will supposedly be competing for the num ber goaltender spot think after her performance which was damn good for someone who hasn played squat all year that we ll be seeing lot more of er in atlanta in the years to come ward go blades bring home the turner cup again what so bad about the new playoff format do you really believe teams that finish fourth in their div deserve to be in the playoffs with the new format you have more of chance to see more teams do you really want to see the bruins against the sabres umpteen times or would you rather see the bruins and the capitals in the secound round of playoffs there is really nothing inherently wrong with it but they tried it just little over decade ago and noone showed up for the early rounds in the playoffs whereas soon after they went to the divisional set up arenas were mostly filled in the early rounds the empirical evidence of the last two decades is that more people will show up to see the bruins play the sabre umpteen times than see the bruins play the captials in the first round maybe hockey has increased in popularity sufficiently that this will no longer be the case the experiment is worthwhile with the uneven distribution of the expansion teams but prefer the divisional playoff gerald he was already offered million for them from northlands coliseum but refused the offer don think he is going to sale think he may decide to move the team to the states though where he can draw more revenue from the team pocklington just wanted to wake up the powers that be holding political office in northlands and in the business community that the oilers with their current lease arrangement are in state where on yearly basis they will likely have an operating loss based on normal hockey revenues and expenses that he did this was good thing it is better he complain early and make the city aware of potential looming crisis before he begins to lose millions and millions of dollars which would truly jeopardize the franchise pocklington first option is not to sell or to move but to sell minority share of the team to realize some of the appreciated value of the team and to get better arena deal either in northlands or via new building pocklington probably isn going to get exactly what he wants but ultimately he will probably get enough or will sell to someone who will probably get enough there are lot of risks in moving team also one has to remember peter puck principle it is better to spend other people money than one own if at all possible gerald you ll have hard time selling any sport to community that can play it on account of availability or financial reasons hockey is pretty much sport for the white and well off what white yes well off definitely not hockey season ticket owners have the lowest average income of any of the four major north american sports and think of where the majority of hockey players come from from farm out in boondock saskatchewan or weedville alberta when was the last time you saw hockey league in the inner city the insurance alone is big enough barrier the inner city isn the only place that is poor think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is no ice to play on stace rick casares silicon graphics corp sgi com shoreline blvd just wait till next year mountain view ca you might want to clarify the game winning streak that pens streak is playoff streak tied by the chicago blackhawks who had won in row until they met the pens in the finals last year the game unbeaten so far is regular season unbeaten streak but hey don take it personally flyers fan and two in row is stretch but with healthy lindros recchi brind amour and tommy soderstrom they ll be there next year by the way since the flyers need defenseman what kind of trade would anybody suggest from the existing flyers roster since the scuttlebutt is that terry carkner won be there next year and apart from him piece of notebook paper would be better defense matt weaver properly found at psu edu hey at least we re not the whalers the bottom line is the bruins are the better team this year montreal fans have been screaming for years that their beloved canadiens deserve another cup since the removal of the french canadien rule they have been screaming foul welcome to league parity something the rest of the league has had for years even if the habs do beat boston in the playoffs they won get by the pens do agree with you boston is the more taleneted team the french canadian rule was an extremely short term feature when the universal draft was instituted in the sixties and only lasted for few years and really didn have any substantial effect during that period the canadiens stanley cup achievements were earned on level playing field gerald ok ll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions round pitt vs nyi pitt in wash vs njd wash in bos vs buf bos in que vs mon mon in chi vs stl chi in det vs tor det in van vs win win in cal vs la cal in round pitt vs wash pitt in bos vs mon bos in chi vs det chi in win vs cal cal in round pitt vs bos pitt in chi vs cal chi in finals pitt vs chi pitt in walter that probably because they couldn find anyone to sponser it maybe uss could sponser the pittsburgh penguins us steel steel rod night close enough maybe in the but not now steel is dead industry in pgh no giveaway night in the for pgh would be baboon liver night sponored by the pittsburgh zoo lori starting an informal poll on goalie masks like to know who mask you think looks the best ve always like curtis joseph of the blues the best anyway send your nominations to me or post your vote here on my mail adress is gatech edu thanks for your time go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu uptade here are the standings for the poll after votes points for for point for ea nhlpa game det chi van ny mtl pit was bos que cal asw la tor ase win buf phi sj min otw atlanta to win turner cup not in the game but person vote continue to send your votes in this format until april approximately after watching the pengiuns all year and as many other teams as possible ve really noticed an increase in tom barasso cheap shots this year and not noticed corrsponding increase with other goaltenders have look at ed belfour he also kicked john mclean of course he wasn called for that belfour kicked gerrard gallant when the wings played the hawks couple of weeks ago no penalty no review no suspension this was after he attacked bob probert in the previous period he was penalized for that there no doubt in my mind that barasso is the dirtiest golatender since hextall he also very good likewise belfour too bad he goes down so much ralph brian down toronto edu player points subtraction lemieux lafontaine oates yzerman selanne this is wrong among lemieux points we do not know how many are power play points we may be able to find out how many pp goal he scored but not how many pp assist he accumulated we also don know the times he was on the ice but not credited on the goals the pens scored that is what my point really was there is not straight dependency between the and scored points apparently most of the netters have realized it by themselves well now that the hawks have won the division the road is little easier for the playoffs let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of each other while chicago sweeps st louis that just makes it easier in the second round with all the rest they will get and tor det getting none for the conf champ they will have hard time versus the division but that div will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the hawks again then bring pitt and sure the hawks will probably lose but its better to get that far and lose than to not go brian what makes you think so like to understand your reasoning defeat pittsburgh therefore they don think their spirit was broken in last year playoffs and hasn really recovered don know what the season series numbers were but believe that the pens won it think that either the devils or the islanders will cause more problems for what is this spirit crap caps fan and hope they win if they end up facing pittsburgh but don think the caps lose to pitt because of lack of spirit yes the penguins won the season series against the caps they ve won eighteen games in row for god sake did you ever think the penguins might be good and that why they win re read what wrote and it didn say exactly what thought sure the pens are better team they ve got size and the best skill players in the league they ve also got the best clutch goaltending they re the best team in the league but my point was the caps have not played to their ability level vs the pens since last year choke and that the mental problem the one they ve had for number of years tried to point out spirit mental preparedness will to win whatever you want to call it it missing when the caps play the pens actually you re right it won make any difference george actually this stuff from mogilny doesn surprise me all that much about or weeks ago read in the toronto sun quote from alex it went something like sarcastically yep patty the man he responsible for the team success nobody around here was going to post it at the time must have forgot since nobody else gee kinda like alex spot on the team isn it how can you assume it was sarcastic remark for someone whose first language is not english would interpret that comment to mean that he believes pat is the mvp on the team and that he is just one of the other normal players quite modest might say on march roger maynard wrote in reply to an article by graham hudson you don think he is performing under pressure now the major differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is play ing every other night which is physically exhausting and you play the same team in consecutive string of games is this what you mean by pressure have you even thought about what you mean by pressure or are your thoughts like most of the rest of this drivel simply half baked this was cs laurentian ca for anybody who would like to check he went on in another article to say paraphrased playoff hockey is just an expression used by announcers to convince simple minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is better product than regular season game now however in article cs laurentian ca with win over tough whaler squad the leafs showed all doubters what playoff hockey is all about so roger what exactly is playoff hockey all about or is it convenient phrase to use in certain circumstances only you see when you spout off with flame bait too many times sooner or later it catches up with you nice try deepak but tough whaler squad should have clued you in to the fact that my leaf woofing was tongue in cheek if playoff hockey is any more intense than the regular season variety then it is because the teams are facing each other at least consecutive times in days and hockey being the contact sport that it is some things will be carried over that might dissipate during the regular season but that is only for some of the players many of the rest who have been playing with injuries who miss their families or who like grant fuhr would really rather be playing golf don really give damn of course can say this for sure but believe that this is fairly typical of human nature and don think that hockey players are above having what consider typically human attitudes with the recent salary escalations the key players are actually losing money by participating in the playoffs the ones who regard the playoff take as some kind of bonanza are fringe players who are unlikely to consistently be force in the playoffs now know some of you are going to come back with winning spirit and all of that crap but these players are professionals after all while they may love to play the game that love is entirely incidental to their purpose which is to make decent living of course the coach is professional as well and part of what he is being paid to do is motivate the players so if the coach does his job well enough the players may respond with winning effort the second season is after all merely an exhibition the true champions of the league are the division winners the teams that come out on top after the long struggle of the season the stanley cup playoffs merely accord victory to the team that has remained healthy and hot the emphasis on the playoffs with their sudden death appeal has been promoted by the media and the owners with profit purely in mind even if pittsburgh loses the playoffs we all know that they were really the best team in the league over the year they proved it cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca ok ll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions round pitt vs nyi pitt in wash vs njd wash in bos vs buf bos in que vs mon mon in chi vs stl chi in det vs tor det in van vs win win in cal vs la cal in round pitt vs wash pitt in bos vs mon bos in chi vs det chi in win vs cal cal in round pitt vs bos pitt in chi vs cal chi in finals pitt vs chi pitt in walter not bad you only got wrong cal over chi in and cal over pit in or to take the sc business uwo ca stephen lawrence western business school london ontario the pens won be playing montreal because boston will win adams divisional play buffalo and quebec will make decent showings boston out of sheer determination will win game against the pens but no more they have heart but the pens have too many big guns and too many ways to win if boston does indeed win the adams nothing is certain and indeed gets to play the pens then think you ll find very different boston team this year boston will use every trick in the book to shut down the pens offense something they didn even try last year the pens weak spot is defense and goaltending if boston first enjoyed reading your post second disagree with the pen weak spot being defense and goaltending for couple of reasons barrasso has had spectacular year no slow start consistently sharp gaa and leads the league in wins tommy deserves the vezina given the lack of respect he commands though doubt he will win it the other reason concerns the pens team defense they are hovering around or in the fewest goals allowed that is big improvement for them and it indicates that they are playing better team defense can shut down the pens offense and get an early goal then you have real game if the pens score first then it practically over don think the pens have the discipline to stick to the team game if they re held scoreless minutes into the second boston doesn have the guns of the pens but the pens doesn have the defense goaltending and discipline of boston still boston can put the puck in the net remember that boston is not run and gun patrick style team although they played run and gun hockey for the better part of the regular season who doesn even neely backchecks all the way in behind his own net if necessary penalty killing will be big factor boston are believe over the last something short handed situations meaning they have scored shg while giving up ppg one in lackluster game against ottawa say the series will go to or but much less certain whether it will be in favor of the pens or the their styles going into the playoffs are too different to make it predictable still place my bets on the pens think my prediction is that if the can get the first goal in four of the games they ll take the series otherwise the pens will but rather wait and see whether the will actually get out of the adams to begin with buffalo quebec and montreal aren exactly planning to call it game and go home jan brittenson ai mit edu we ll see it ll be fun george george pandelios internet cmu edu software engineering institute usenet sei gjp fifth avenue voice pittsburgh pa fax disclaimer these opinions are my own and do not reflect those of the software engineering institute its sponsors customers clients affiliates or carnegie mellon university in fact any resemblence of these opinions to any individual living or dead fictional or real is purely coincidental so there does anyone know if all the patrick division games are going to be televised on espn and abc if some games are going to be left out or blanked out by dumb southern abc affiliates was wondering if anyone out there knows of any sports bars in atlanta which are frequented by hockey fans don want to miss out on any of the pens games am sure that there are some islander fans now that the rangers are dead who would want to watch every pens islanders game in atlanta circle tuesday april on your tv calendar espn will carry game from pittsburgh civic arena or as they are advetising it pittsburgh vs place partick div finisher personally bruins buffalo or montreal quebec city is much better matchup but espn is hoping for spoiler in the pens series which it not likely to get the way mario has been playing for the past month or so personally prefer buffalo boston as birthday gift from espn but don think the folks at espn will accomodate that for me espn has this inexplicable affinity for the patrick division it seems valerie hammerl some days have to remind him he not buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks on claude cc buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for the devils but cc buffalo edu known for taking dumb penalties bad news for the patrick division next year caps gm david polie is reportedly trying to get front office job with the nhl can believe polie has not been fired despite years of mediocrity yes yes the idiot gone the idiot gone wish this happened before he traded hrivnak anyway the idiot gone he not gone yet the position opening is down to polie and the sabres gm gerry meehan think like to see meehan gone valerie hammerl some days have to remind him he not buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks on claude cc buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for the devils but cc buffalo edu known for taking dumb penalties round pitt vs nyi pitt in it looks like safe bet nyi has been bagging it of late nyi and njd have showdown friday night for the honour of pittsburg anyway pigsburg in wash vs njd wash in think that njd have solid team and will compete with wash agree though with wash in bos vs buf bos in the have been playing awesome hockey in the last two weeks the only question is how long will it last fuhr is dud bos in que vs mon mon in it seems to me that mon is much like the van no chemistry the habs seem to be not in stride que in chi vs stl chi in stl should not be in the playoffs chi in det vs tor det in am diehard leaf fan but it seems that the leafs offense is shutting down in the last week can they turn it around against detroit as recall the last couple of time these two teams met the leafs were pummelled don know if bobbie is allowed in canada yet if he is det in if not det in van vs win win in upset in the making here another team with bad chemistry there is something gone foul among linden momesso and bure win in cal vs la cal in anybody that says that la could possibly beet cal does not watch the smythe whole lot la is bunch of geritols cal in round pitt vs wash pitt in it seems to me that pigsburg has some egos on their team their saving grace though is bowman he can put anybody in their place however if pigs have quick first round they may be little too high wash could be there for surprise having said that will say pitt in bos vs mon bos in mon will not be there bos is surprising me of late cam is great the couple of wins against que last week have sold me with the in chi vs det chi in yikes this will not be pretty but det is running like machine of late they ve had non busy end of the season in which they played like killers det in win vs cal cal in cal has solid team little weak in the nets cal will out muscle win cal in round pitt vs bos pitt in hate pitt my logic eludes me the dark side will take over and give bos the extra push it needs to dump pitt there may be something to this if you think of the rivalry bos in chi vs cal chi in finals pitt vs chi pitt in no no no we have bos vs det don know what to say here both teams will be flying and overdue will go with goaltending and muscle and say det in jake is good stat because it is the only stat that am aware of that takes into account defensive play it isn measure of defensive play it takes into account offense and defence all aspects of play if we are interested of real all round players the power play stats should be considered too because the power play is also one aspect of play there is still something to be done with these player evaluation tools imo any good player should score on power plays because of the man advantage very good power play scorers tend to become overrated because their point totals are inflated by power play points tends to expose these overrated players such as brett hull john cullen and dave andreychuck given the opportunity to play power play consistently any player can inflate his totals gregmeister to adjust first calculate teams goals scored pp goals scored goals allowed pp goals allowed when they were penalty killing divide this number by to take into account of the fact that there are players on the ice and each is responsible for the team players adjusted is his raw team adjustment btw if anyone could calculate and post adjusted ratings it would be greatly appreciated might find the time to do so but don count on it have database filter set up for the player stats when it is posted for the end of season ll repost the team averages you don need to go through the complicated team adjustment you are using all you need is the team average by summing all the individual players and divide by the total number of players on the team this will be little distorted because the players who have been traded recently will have come with scores based on their original teams this shouldn distort it too bad though if you want to look at individual players from this perspective then go ahead you ll require the original player stats though question if team uses players in season do you merely divide the total by if so player who plays in only game is considered equally valuable as player who plays in all of them another way of looking at the same thing is to compare the deviation from the mean for the team of the player to the standard deviation for the team ll post both since the standard deviation for each team is different am unsure how transferable between teams that these stats are shouldn the average standard deviation in the league be used am interested in seeing each method but still think that mine is the best if for no other reason than familiarity gregmeister derian hatcher game misconduct penalty was rescinded by the nhl allowing the minnesota defenseman to play in the north stars last two regular season games hatcher was given the penalty during fight at the end of loss at st louis on sunday april but the league didn rescind the game misconduct penalty shane churla received the stars recalled center cal mcgowan from their top minor league club in kalamazoo mich to replace churla the above is courtesy of the washington times on line service now here where need help if anyone out there has tape of tuesday chicago minnesota game please contact me terms will be favorable also if anyone can tape tonight minnesota detroit game please contact me this could be quite important once again will make it worth your trouble thanks to all rec sport hockey contact for minnesota north stars and maintainer of the faq file mitch mcgowan kalamazoo wings minnesota north stars washington edu st kilda saints toronto blue jays not too low perhaps but surely not as high as that of an european nhl division the finnish team for example would contain all players currently on the national team plus top class foreigner or two they would be in an entirely different league than tps or jokerit both of whom have perhaps dozen players of international class if even that why settle for minor league when you could have the best it is no matter what you call the teams jokerit and tps or helsinki tornado and turku typhoon the best palyers in finland would eventually end up in those teams anyway if they were in the big league rather spend marks to watch the helsinki tornado play montreal the ny rangers or los angeles than marks for the privilege to see jokerit vs jypht or even djurgardens if there nothing like the nhl period unrealistic for now maybe we should first just expand finnish league to allow teams from baltic countries to entry then others will get interested in the idea that maybe one should settle something bigger the ultimate goal as you want it would be european division in nhl btw does that make final with an europan team against norht american everybody please send me your predictions for the stanley cup playoffs want to see who people think will win please send them in this format or something comparable winner of buffalo boston winner of montreal quebec winner of pittsburgh new york winner of new jersey washington winner of chicago minnesota st louis winner of toronto detroit winner of vancouver winnipeg winner of calgary los angeles winner of adams division above winner of patrick division above winner of norris division above winner of smythe division above winner of wales conference above winner of campbell conference above winner of stanley cup above will summarize the predictions and see who is the biggest internet guru predicting guy gal send entries to richard madison uwaterloo ca ps will send my entries to one of you folks so you know when say won that won the hawks won the norris div and sealed their fate it bad luck to win the norris the hawks will sweep the blues in their dreams but will lose in in reality predict that in the game with the blues belfour will go down on his knees time and will spend the rest of the time looking behind him self butcher will pound roenick and the warthawks have no one tough enough to prevent it bye bye wart hawks smythe division vancouver vs winnipeg jets in the jets have played the canucks tough the last three games everyone is healthy for the jets biased calgary vs los angeles flames in them getting by the flames final jets in the jets haven lost to the flames in they will but it will be close series that will come down to how well roberts has recovered don think he ll be and while it will help it won be enough norris division chicago vs st louis minnesota chicago in against the blues against the stars detroit vs toronto wings in the wings should be able to shutdown gilmour and andreychuk chelvadae is more experienced than potvin final hawks in brutal series probert and chelios will go at it belfour is better than chelvadae imho conference final hawks in it hurts but the hawks are more experienced and that will carry them through to the final prince of wales conference adams division boston vs buffalo bruins in can check juneau is darn good and neely the sabres rely too much on lafontaine and mogilny quebec vs montreal montreal in classic battle the inexperience will hurt the nords this year final bruins in habs will be hurting from their series with the nords and boston has been able to control the scorers on the habs patrick division pittsburgh vs islanders devils pens in one word mario washington vs devils islanders caps in devils in think the caps can beat the isles but not the devils tabaracci has been strong in goal and if he plays like last year he could carry the team it doesn matter though final pens in two more words stevens jagr cup final pens in three last words tocchet murphy barrasso the only thing don like about this is that the pens woofers are going to be out in full force again don mean the regular penguin fans it just like the bunch around here that if these predictions are true will post like nuts while the jets are winning but we won hear from again when they lose oh yeah next year cup prediction jets in over the nords daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder the selke candidate forwards main purpose on shift is to prevent goals from being scored not to score them when lemieux or gilmour play their number one purpose is to score defence is secondary especially considering the line that plays against them is probably defensive one that is why they are not selke candidates gainey is the best defensive forward ever stand by that assessment he was very good player who belongs in the hall of fame did you ever watch him play he never made technical error watched him over his entire career have never seen player and that includes russell courtnall and davie keon screw up as many breakaways as bob gainey and will never forget the time denis potvin caught gainey with his head down you have been sold bill of goods on bob gainey gainey was plugger and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca pens nj devils first period scoring pittsburgh daniels needham tippett nj devils lemieux semak driver pittsburgh stevens tocchet murphy nj devils zelepukin driver niedermayer penalties pgh stevens roughing njd pellerin double minor cross checking njd zelepukin tripping njd stasny holding pgh taglianetti roughing njd lemieux roughing pgh jagr tripping second period scoring pittsburgh lemieux murphy tocchet nj devils semak lemieux zelepukin pittsburgh mceachern jagr barrasso njd stevens guerin pellerin pittsburgh lemieux unassisted nj devils richer nicholls nj devils lemieux zelepukin penalties pgh stevens roughing njd mckay roughing pgh mullen hooking pgh tocchet roughing njd stevens slashing njd lemieux unsportsmanlike conduct pgh samuelsson cross checking pgh barrasso double minor spearing served by mceachern njd holik cross checking njd lemieux roughing third period scoring pittsburgh mullen jagr lemieux penalties njd daneyko interference pgh stevens roughing njd holik roughing pgh match penalty game misconduct njd zelepukin tripping pgh stevens roughing njd daneyko roughing overtime scoring no scoring penalties no penalties shots on goal pittsburgh nj devils goalies barrasso shots saves billington shots saves ref devorski linesmen gauthier vines lori contact for the penguins lli cmu edu in article digex net com steve gallichio wrote john curcio philips com responded to my drivel still am surprised that no one has tried giving away the goodies at the end of the game the two problems with that of course are that you would want to make sure the first people in the building would be assured of getting them probably redeemable vouchers and that the building managers want to avoid at all costs delaying people as they leave the building if for instance the goodies are given to people as they exit went to the new jersey devils carvel ice cream puck night tm last year to see the beloved bruins play the pucks were given out at the end of the game could just imagine what would have happened late in the third if the bruins were winning it figures after posted the first article found out that the whalers are going to be using coupons for the the giveaway on friday night believe that is is the some big corporation probably bank flying disk night think that we could all see the potential for danger here all in all have seen whole bunch of giveaways land on the ice and it never ceases to amuse me just thankful for the players that no one has yet to sponsor lead pipe night at any arenas that probably because they couldn find anyone to sponser it maybe uss could sponser the pittsburgh penguins us steel steel rod night close enough naah it probably bounce off of jay caufield sg was at cincinnati cyclones game year ago when the local country station sponsored kazoo giveaway after particularly bad call by the underexperienced echl ref it was kazoostorm time down on the ice thought this was pathetic display by the fans but they were rightfully unhappy jason in previous article com steve gallichio says quinn will resign as head coach this is no secret and hopefully they will bring in someone who looks at the game spatially and institutes some team disciplined play how about keenan give him what he wants gm and coach and have quinn upstairs as president was under the impression that rick ley was in line for the canucks job should quinn step off the bench ley coached in the canucks organization bring back harry neale at least he was witty carleton ca rachel holme according to the inside information alpo suhonen won be the next headcoach of jokerit it pretty sure that boris majorov will continue although owner of the team previously said that he will chance the coach tommi wrong information they just announced that suhonen has made deal with jokerit tommi about or weeks ago read in the toronto sun quote from alex it went something like sarcastically yep patty the man he responsible for the team success nobody around here how can you assume it was sarcastic remark for someone whose first language is not english would interpret that comment to mean that he believes pat is the mvp on the team and that he is just one of the other normal players quite modest might say well don recall assuming anything except perhaps that the columnist who reported the incident was telling the truth the sarcastic impression came from him steve simmons besides to my knowledge alex has pretty fair grasp of the english language and his recent comment after the detroit game would indicate that this remark is what think it to be very low ists ca gainey is the best defensive forward ever stand by that assessment he was very good player who belongs in the hall of fame did you ever watch him play he never made technical error watched him over his entire career have never seen player and that includes russell courtnall and davie keon screw up as many breakaways as bob gainey and will never forget the time denis potvin caught gainey with his head down you have been sold bill of goods on bob gainey gainey was plugger and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on these players all are pretty good players they are the depth that the dynasties had to win stanley cups they tend to be the very good second line guys who would be first liners on most weaker clubs in the nhl they were all important to their clubs probably several of these stanley cup winning teams would not have won the cups they did if it were not for the depth provided by these players they compare to rick tocchet and ron francis of the penguins very good players who can lead lesser teams francis hartford tocchet philly who provide the depth to the team that is currently best in the nhl as defensive forward there have been none better than bob gainey that doesn mean he was the best player or even the best forward the canadians had at that time but he was excellent at what he did gainey could dominate games with his defence he didn need to get goals to dominate he shut down the opposition and was thus valuable there has never been anyone any better at doing this not ever gregmeister if the penguins get out of the patrick they will win the cup however their hardest task is to get out of that division sure that washington will most definitly throw rench into the penguin plans canucks fan not that think much of their chances this year but it seems to me like washington is the only team that can stop the penguins from winning their next stanley cup was under the impression that the penguins has had the caps number for most of the season mathew tasalloti mpr teltech ltd vancouver bc canada of course no one asked me always interject my opinions on matters have no concern over go islanders playoffs here we come go jets for and last year the capitals had the pens number up until about game of the playoffs john horstmann hi all don get the sport channel and desparate for some playoff action especially the cannucks does anyone know of sports bar on the bay peninsula that will be showing hockey games looking for something between redwood city and mountain view thanks lot greg here is an update on the goalie mask poll first since so many people gave me their best decided to give pts for their favorite pts for for if you mailed response with only one gave it pts please feel free to send me your other favorites if you only sent one before also votes are still welcome any mask you like will do as have received votes for players not in the nhl please mention what team they play for though so here are the up to date results so far player team pts votes ed belfour chicago andy moog boston curtis joseph st louis brian hayward san jose grant fuhr buffalo ron hextall quebec clint malarchuk buffalo manon rheaume atlanta ihl john casey minnesota rick wamsley toronto retired thanks to all that voted and keep em coming go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu in article mpr ca mpr ca mathew tasalloti says chances this year but it seems to me like washington is the only team that can stop the penguins from winning their next stanley cup really think both the islanders and devils would have better chance at the penguins than the capitals imo really what makes you think the islanders have better shot they couldn even beat the whalers in two games yes but as has been mentioned many times before the islanders play at the talent level of their opponent since hartford is pitiful the islanders played pitiful since pittsburgh is great the isles will most likely play great this is most likely due to inexperience and very poor shooting to greg yes have noticed that the islanders couldn hit the broad side of barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of it does anyone have shooting percentages don know if that would help since they often miss the net completely but it might shed some light on the subject and my playoff pool is running exact rules to be posted tomorrow but don hesitate to send in picks keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you my vote goes to john vanbiesbrouck his mask has skyline of new york city and on the sides there are bunch of bees beezer it looks really sharp keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you has anyone heard what game espn is showing tonight they said they will show whatever game means the most playoff wise would assume this would be the blues tampa game or the minnesota red wings game anyone heard for sure jeff swartz it going to be the stars wings game according to the fan here in ottawa has won the daigle sweepstakes they didn mention why but san jose had more goals than the sen sens so have hunch this is why ottawa would pick first susan it is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the net who really cares who you think will win please stop with the predictions we all know the caps are going to win the cup so let it go at that in the words of doktor kultur in the ottawa citizen remember to unhook the nitrous oxide before you leave the dentist chair go jets for once in the playoffs please beg of you paul badertscher uwo ca the oilers will charge to eat in the press room next year there was an article in one of the toronto papers about this few months ago probably the globe and mail any ethical journalist even sports journalist should not accept free meals from team in any case which was the one of the points the article was making admittdly most sports reporting is mostly with any ethical standards gerald it is meaningless to compare one player plus minus statistic with another players out of the context of the role and the playing time of the players involved it just as meaningless to compare goals assists pim and any other stat can think of each player is asked to take unique role for his team the contexts will never be the same from one player to another playing on the same team or different teams and yet awards are given and promotions received based in part on these meaningless stats the operative words are in part stats must be interpreted tempered with other information one has about the player to compare jagr and francis plus minus is ridiculous and absurd and comparing jagr and francis points is just as ridiculous and absurd but not more ridiculous and absurd as comparing goals assists points for selanne lindros juneau potvin and the other rookies in the league and yet how about looking at them for what they are and enjoy the game ron well since someone probably wanted to know here this year playoff matchups on the left and what the matchups would be next year under the new alignment and playoff matchup rules the same teams make the playoffs under next year rules and three of the first round matchups are the same que mtl chi stl van win pit chi pit chi nj stl buf stl was det que tor nyi tor mtl cal bos van was van buf win nj win que cal bos det mtl la nyi la jim murawski sr software engineer office administrative computing and fax information services jjm cmu edu carnegie mellon university office ucc forbes avenue pittsburgh pa le mieux le magnifique soixante six claude non there are days until clinton clinocchio leaves office too many the flyers closed out the season last night with their straight victory ot winner over the hartford whalers the ot game winner came from dimitri yushkevich just his of the season and his first game winner the flyers never led up until that point in the game for the whalers the loss marked an nhl record ot loss this season roster move gord hynes was called to to play in place of ryan mcgill injuries ryan mcgill injured his hand in fight and was scratched lines eklund lindros recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroy faust acton brown galley bowen yushkevich hawgood carkner hynes dominic roussel game summary didn get tv coverage of the game and since it was stormy in these parts didn have the best radio coverage either here the box score followed by few things did pick up first period hartford nylander philadelphia recchi lindros brind amour pp penalties verbeek har holding carkner phi roughing houda har interference second period hartford burt cunneyworth kron philadelphia bowen eklund recchi hartford nylander zalapski sanderson penalties galley phi major game misconduct spearing verbeek har major game misconduct spearing brown phi tripping zalapski har tripping brind amour phi slashing third period hartford kron sanderson cassels pp philadelphia beranek lomakin yushkevich philadelphia faust brind amour roussel penalties houda har tripping hawgood phi holding overtime philadelphia yushkevich faust penalties none power play philadelphia of hartford of goalies philadelphia roussel shots saves hartford lenarduzzi on the first hartford goal gord hynes misplayed the puck at the flyers blue line and nylander stripped him and took off the recchi goal was on with lindros the bowen goal was just puck he threw at the net got good carom and it ended up behind the goalie on the second nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in this is the most frustrating part of the flyers defense take the body and if they get one shot and beat you fine don give them another chance carkner galley and mcgill are all terrible about this ll bet money at least one of them was the closest flyer to the play that all have my radio got bad after that and was lucky to know who it was that scored much less how asked bobby taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the game it was garry galley for his career high point total surprised that former goalie wouldn look closer at his defensive play tommy soderstrom for his team record tying shutouts in only about season and mark recchi for his all time high team single season scoring mark but here the odd part he couldn decide between lindros and recchi for number if he picks recchi as after he had hard time choosing between him and lindros doesn that make lindros what you wanna know my three stars of the season well since you asked eric lindros eric dominates game simply by stepping out onto the ice the difference between the team record with him and without him is no accident believe that the team could have been almost as successful without recchi there is no question that this team is significantly better with eric lindros on it and think that he will deservedly wear the on his jersey next season tommy soderstrom shutouts was second in the league to only ed belfour and tommy didn have chris chelios booo in front of him he also didn play complete season due to heart problems sentimental edge here my family has history of heart problems there no question in my mind that tommy soderstrom is this teams goalie of the future and if roussel complains again about being number look for him to be traded within years mark recchi again you can argue with an all time team high single season scoring mark there are an awful lot of teams that didn have single player get as many points plus mark is the only flyer to play the entire season not tough choice honorable mentions rod brind amour topped his single season high point total which he set last year the difference was that he wasn on the top line this year and didn get as much playing time then again he didn get the defensive attention that he got last year from the other team either dimtri yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman yes he made rookie mistakes but he was usually fast enough to make up for them have feeling that with his shot he ll score few more points next year without giving up anything in his own zone and suspect that he ll be the teams top defenseman in years to come garry galley was the team point leader from defensemen again there are some things you just can argue with and he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome he certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game and that was against his wishes under doctors orders but his defensive play often negates his offensive contribution little more caution and little bit smarter in his own end will make him much more important part of the team next year brent fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total but consistency became problem for him couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members tom misnik member of the mailing list would like to exchange mail addresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer if you re interested you can send him mail at att acr org tmisnik the flyers end the season game below in place their best winning percentage since going in within the division in patrick at home they finished overall will draft in next years entry draft quebec had the rounder though they scored as many goals as they allowed the straight wins is the most since they won in row in will be sending out final stats as soon as get the issue of the hockey news that contains them since there are no more games for me to go to have no other way of getting them hope you ve all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as have knowing the future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time almost bearable flyers team record watch eric lindros goals assists points rookie records club record goals club record points eric lindros dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart eric lindros dave poulin ron flockhart bill barber pelle eklund mark recchi goals assists points club record goals club record points reggie leach mark recchi tim kerr bobby clarke tim kerr bobby clarke mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobby clarke bill barber rick macliesh reggie leach more than games flyers career years player points best prior season mark recchi penguins rod brind amour flyers garry galley kings brent fedyk red wings that all for now pete clark jr rsh flyers contact and mailing list owner here is yet another prediction for them great playoffs you may laugh at your convenience adams division hate the ne name divisoin bos vs buf bos in the are hot lately mon vs que mon in this will be the series to watch in the first round bos vs mon mon in this may be bit biased but feel the canadiens will smarten up and start playing they played two months ago bench savard patrick division pit vs njd pit in it wont be complete cake walk there be few lumps in the cake batter was vs nyi was in this will not be an exciting series imo pitt vs was pit in washington will be tired after the nyi norris division chi vs stl chi in stl will get lucky game in tor vs det tor in this like mon vs que will be another intense series to watch chi vs tor tor in potvin will be settling in nicely by this point smythe division van vs win van in teemu is great but vancouver better as team cal vs lak cal in gretzky is great but calgary has been on fire lately sorry for the pun um no am not van vs cal van in this will be great series but van has proven they will not lie down and get beat wales conference finals pittsburgh vs montreal montreal in montreal imho is the only team that has chance against pittsburgh campbell conference finals vancouver vs toronto toronto in potvin will be series mvp stanley cup finals toronto maple leafs vs montreal canadiens the classic stanley cup final matchup also dream come true montreal wins the stanley cup in the game in double overtime roy and potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series mvp if that is possible vincent damphouse nets game winner from brilliant pass by brian bellows canadiens star denis savard watched his buddies play from the owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the disabled list since the first game of the playoffs awww shucks yee haa poof and wake up well that is my predictions hope and dream they come true and you can stop laughing anytime paul die hard habs fan living with die hard leafs fans ahl calder cup playoff game played on providence springfield ot baltimore binghamton utica rochester ot cape breton fredericton game scheduled for capital district at adirondack providence at springfield baltimore at binghamton utica at rochester moncton vs st john at halifax series stati plural of status adirondack leads cdi 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left and what the matchups would be next year under the new alignment and playoff matchup rules the same teams make the playoffs under next year rules and three of the first round matchups are the same que mtl chi stl van win pit chi pit chi pit chi nj stl buf stl nyi det was det que tor nyi det nyi bos tor mtl cal bos det van was van bos van buf win nj win bos van que cal bos det que cal mtl la nyi la just my thoughts chris edu ottawa picks first because they had fewer wins during the season the first tiebreaker keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you newsgroups rec sport hockey summary expires references digex net fi cray com sender followup to distribution organization marquette university department mscs keywords bradley center in milwaukee is home to the milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team the owner of the admirals sorry can remember his name either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the bradley center lloyd pettit married into allen bradley corp ab com family and owns the admirals he donated the bradley center and the new pettit national ice center supposedly he was approached by the nhl about an expansion franchise but turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of million was too high this is not the way have heard it see lloyd as he is affectionately referred to by milwaukeeans and bob uecker bought the bradley center to get the nhl to come here like said don know whether this story is true or just rumor but if it true don look for an nhl team in milwaukee anytime soon the admirals aren going to be forced out of the building and you won see an nhl club and minor league club in the same building especially since the nba milwaukee bucks play there as well yeah the bucks the milwaukee wave soccer the admirals the marquette warriors concerts and bunch of other things jason hanson wisconsin ave marquette university milwaukee wi ham radio ae mscs mu edu nocal ca usa na you mention could cut it as stars in the nhl even rexi in his prime was more of good regular in new york edmonton than superstar in his own right although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf think that the ny management made mistake and remember how edmonton called reksa in the middle of the season to win the cup why did they call him yeah we ve had tendency to beat ourselves in the past almost knifed my brother in anger when sweden scored two in the final minute of the wc semifinals back in or what about the three goals antero kivela let in with five minutes to go against the russkies in lake placid ugh that was bad luck if penguins have the same kind of luck this year in the playoffs they ll never win the cup they are still the best team howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh prostetnic vogon jeltz marko poutiainen oulu fi well looked at the scoring plan had and have decided to modify it here is the new finalized scoring pick round winner way off on games pick within one game pick exact games pick round winner way off on games pick within one game pick exact games pick conference champ way off on games pick within one game pick exact games pick stanley cup winner way off on games pick within one game pick exact games pick loser in series goes pick loser in game decided in ot these are now final anyone needing copy of the entry sheet email me at the address below keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you all these people who send in their polls should take closer look at njd they are very deep team with two very capable goalies and excellent forwards and defensemen shooter in richer an all around do it all in todd chef stasny master of thousand dishes power play captain stevens take look at the numbers or play with them and see for yourselves yup agree with ya think devils can beat red wings easily so think all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams before voting think islanders and quebec are much better then had expected cobra sex is not the answer sex is the question yes is the answer mail udel edu could someone post the flyers record with and without eric lindros in the lineup have guy that is trying to compare the quebec flyers trade to the dallas minnesota trade in the nfl hershel walker just need the stat to back up my point that eric will be one of the next great players thanks john recently bought pack of prospect hockey cards which had various players that were coming into the nhl got this particular card of russian named viktor kozlov it says many scouts believe he will be the pick in another guy is quoted as saying he as good as mario lemieux anyone know who this guy is via dlg pro post of newsgroups rec sport hockey organization university of western ontario date fri apr gmt nntp posting host sms business uwo ca lines not defending bob gainey frankly don care for him all that much but your dismissal of him as something less than an effective hockey player is tiresome it has no basis in anything how many calders did he win think it was four go ooops that should read selke forgive me for my insolence congenially as always jd james david business uwo ca business uwo ca james david western business school london ontario on april ncsu edu carl david kaupang wrote it is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the net who really cares who you think will win please stop with the predictions we all know the caps are going to win the cup so let it go at that haa that one of the things find most interesting in this newsgroup it good way of cluing into the collective wisdom of the average hockey fans that doesn mean they re always right however for example the habs are going to come out of the adams and hardly anyone believes that right now jack it hard to be humble when you re perfect well as long as we re being unduly cocky here it obvious that the pens will cone out of the patrick division not the caps and also that they will win thier third stanley cup collective wisdom is very polite way of putting it don know if be so gracious and for what it worth probably not much think the habs will come out of the adams too not new long absent mikey mike dellinger computer lab consultant sutherland hall computer lab and grill university of pittsburgh you ll have hard time selling any sport to community that can play it on account of availability or financial reasons hockey is pretty much sport for the white and well off what is this crap only interested in intelligent discussion if you can answer my question just say so can anyone else answer the ques did anyone else see this game last night just like playoff game lots of hitting but was disappointed by the video goal judge on all replays joe murphy goal shouldn have counted it didn go in net and according to the tsn broadcasters the video goal judge said that he saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in this is terrible hope crap like this doesn occur in the playoffs the game would have ended in tie thought the red light went on thus in the review the presumption would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the net from the replays say even from the rear the evidence wasn conclusive that the puck was in or out in my opinion gerald found this press release from trial lawyers for public justice on another system and thought it would be of interest on campuses where the administration or the athletics department wants to eliminate the women ice hockey team women athletes tlp win sex discrimination ruling brown university ordered to restore two women varsity teams to national desk sports writer contact lynette labinger home or ray marcaccio both of trial lawyers for public justice washington april the court of appeals for the first circuit in boston has upheld district court order requiring brown university to immediately reinstate its women gymnastics and volleyball teams to full varsity status the ruling in cohen et al brown university is the first appeals court decision in the nation applying title ix to intercollegiate athletics trial lawyers for public justice tlpj is the national public interest law firm representing the women athletes this ruling makes clear what we have said all along if school wants to eliminate teams before women have their fair share of opportunities to participate they can only eliminiate men teams said tlpj executive director arthur bryant co counsel in the case the class action filed april charged brown with violating title ix of the education amendments of the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination by all educational institutions receiving federal funds brown terminated the two women teams as university funded sports in may allowing them to continue to compete against varsity teams if they could raise their own funds for uniforms travel coaches and all other expenses they had also been denied admission preferences for use in recruiting new members this is major victory for women and the cause of equal rights said tlpj lead counsel lynette labinger of providence roney labinger universities across america need to reevaluate their programs quickly title ix is the law and it going to be enforced three similar title ix appeals await decision colorado state university indiana university of pennsylvania iup and colgate university are asking federal appeals courts to overturn court orders requiring them to reinstate or establish specific women varsity teams continuing its cutting edge title ix activities tlpj is representing women athletes at iup in addition to labinger and bryant tlpj legal team included ray marcaccio of blish cavanagh and amato deluca of mandell deluca schwartz in providence and sandra duggan of philadelphia the national women law center women sports foundation and national association for girls and women in sports filed an amicus brief in support of tlpj appeal did anyone else see this game last night just like playoff game lots of hitting but was disappointed by the video goal judge on all replays joe murphy goal shouldn have counted it didn go in net and according to the tsn broadcasters the video goal judge said that he saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in this is terrible hope crap like this doesn occur in the playoffs the game would have ended in tie thought the red light went on thus in the review the presumption would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the net from the replays say even from the rear the evidence wasn conclusive that the puck was in or out in my opinion it seemed pretty conclusive to me the puck clearly hit the crossbar and then came down on the line and the announcers admittedly homers kept harping about how they must have had different view upstairs because it was obvious to them and would have thought to anyone who saw the replay that the puck didn go in the referee originally signalled no goal but the video replay judges initiated contact with the referee to claim that goal was in fact scored this to me is unheard of seeing stuff like this happen gives me bad feeling about the leaf chances this year cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca individual leaders by total points final standings note games played and points per games not accurate player team gp pts ppg prj pim lemieux pit lafontaine buf oates bos yzerman det turgeon nyi selanne win mogilny buf gilmour tor robitaille la recchi phi sundin que stevens pit bure van tocchet pit roenick chi janney stl sakic que juneau bos hull stl andreychuk tor fleury cal francis pit housley win ciccarelli det damphousse mon hawerchuk buf shanahan stl muller mon jagr pit modano min messier nyr sanderson har reichel cal bellows mon fedorov det thomas nyi coffey det kurri la bradley tb brind amour phi ronning van bondra was cassels har murphy pit bourque bos granato la verbeek har ridley was duchesne que lemieux nj suter cal lebeau mon roberts cal semak nj hatcher was hunter was courtnall min brown stl ricci que kisio sj craven van courtnall van nolan que king nyi amonte nyr gagner min lindros phi hogue nyi nieuwendyk cal pivonka was borschevsky tor dahlen min richer nj emerson stl nedved van chelios chi carson la zhamnov win kvartalnov bos steen win linden van mullen pit larmer chi donnelly la kovalenko que gartner nyr khristich was sheppard det garpenlov sj iafrate was gretzky la zalapski har graves nyr anderson tor zelepukin nj maciver ott dineen phi chiasson det ysebaert det galley phi mceachern pit nicholls nj keane mon flatley nyi young que shannon win fedyk phi blake la olausson win makarov cal smith chi elynuik was stevens nj adams van tucker tb macinnis cal sutter chi bodger buf nemchinov nyr driver nj ruuttu chi yake har turcotte nyr sandstrom la malakhov nyi ward van otto cal kontos tb leach bos poulin har tkachuk win savard mon norton nyi cullen tor cote was eklund phi olczyk nyr semenov van davydov win miller stl poulin bos klima edm dionne mon baker ott rucinsky que weight edm zhitnik la maclean nj corson edm sweeney buf simpson edm hawgood phi johansson was miller was manson edm desjardins mon schneider mon goulet chi leclair mon drake det lumme van gaudreau sj gill tor turgeon ott probert det wood buf ranheim cal zamuner tb tinordi min paslawski cal ruzicka bos elik edm kudelski ott mcsorley la shaw ott lidstrom det stastny nj ellett tor tikkanen nyr niedermayer nj racine det mcphee min millen la chambers tb holik nj clark tor khmylev buf creighton tb krushelnyski tor kurvers nyi crossman stl kovalev nyr craig min krupp nyi momesso van kamensky que numminen win pearson tor graham chi leetch nyr ciger edm beers tb reid bos lapointe que sjodin min weinrich har borsato win zezel tor burr det donato bos benning edm howe det guerin nj hull ott sweeney bos nylander har beranek phi wesley bos matteau chi broten min leeman mon dalgarno nyi mellanby edm primeau det gilbert chi mullen nyi presley buf leschyshyn que zubov nyr mironov tor bureau tb brisebois mon heinze bos smehlik buf lemieux chi yushkevich phi evason sj mcinnis nyi noonan chi gallant det kennedy det hough que gusarov que mactavish edm buchberger edm janssens har samuelson pit sydor la duchesne min falloon sj sandlak van carpenter was kron har ferraro nyi kravchuk edm plavsic van ron sutter stl cole tb odgers sj fitzgerald nyi fetisov nj korolev stl kypreos har andersson tb huddy la rich sutter stl slegr van svoboda buf patrick nyr jones was lamb ott osborne tor may buf eagles win brunet mon green nyi stern cal lidster van haller mon tippett pit peluso ott dimaio tb brady ott freer ott cavallini que lachance nyi shaw bos berg tor ozolinsh sj klatt min loach la todd edm ashton cal mcbain ott gelinas edm bautin win krygier was johnson min acton phi barnes win huffman que sutton buf mckay nj konstantinov det pellerin nj sillinger det volek nyi lindberg cal evans phi hamrlik tb gilchrist min churla min kasparaitis nyi loney pit courtenay sj wilson sj pederson sj lomakin phi druce win hannan buf corriveau har bourque nyr hiller det maltais tb burt har johansson cal marchment chi diduck van podein edm berehowsky tor babych van audette buf chorske nj bassen stl hatcher min kucera chi wilson stl macoun tor king win beukeboom nyr carkner phi neely bos foligno tor christian chi errey buf gavin min mcllwain tor daigneault mon ramage mon smith edm paek pit murphy chi dipietro mon pederson sj nattress phi carbonneau mon yawney cal kasatonov nj roberts bos macdermid was odjick van conacher la cavallini was erickson win straka pit erixon nyr murphy bos ledyard buf butsayev phi ulanov win carter sj glynn edm boschman ott rumble ott stanton pit murzyn van musil cal may was foote que odelein mon andersson nyr archibald ott taylor la lowe nyr domi win mccrimmon det konroyd det zombo stl butcher stl zmolek sj fergus van skrudland cal pantaleyev bos pearson que young bos smail ott hardy la broten nyr barr nj taglianetti pit ewen mon bergevin tb finn que lefebvre tor sullivan sj ojanen nj reekie tb lindsay que ramsey pit valk van jelinek ott needham pit lowry stl rychel la mcgill phi stapleton pit richardson edm rouse tor daneyko nj ogrodnick det king nyr joseph edm petit cal williams sj smith min bozon stl ronan mon dirk van hunter van luongo ott berube cal wilson cal vujtek edm konowalchuk was snuggerud phi murray chi donnelly buf dahl cal kasper tb more sj quintal stl ludwig min muni chi lazaro ott norwood stl featherstone bos murphy ott debrusk edm wells nyr kimble bos corkum buf dahlquist cal gordijuk buf hurlbut nyr boivin phi moller buf cunneyworth har petrovicky har mcrae stl cirella nyr maley sj daniels pit hughes bos lalor win samuelson pit mckenzie har kocur nyr loewen ott houlder buf sweeney bos douris bos keczmer har greig har day har werenka edm tatarinov que mcdonough sj hill mon brown chi loiselle nyi hudson edm hedican stl roberge mon ahola sj mcintyre nyr anderson was houda har hartman tb wilkinson sj hammond ott barrasso pit kennedy win eastwood tor quintin sj brown chi godynyuk cal rice edm murray bos wiemer bos berezan sj marois nyi mallette nj hynes phi gilhen tb chase stl vukota nyi zettler sj lafreniere tb propp min belanger mon kerr har shuchuk la bergland tb vaske nyi carney buf dinnen ott albelin nj patterson buf ladouceur har russell chi lang la lipuma tb brown nj kozlov det savage was bruce sj byers sj conroy phi van allen edm richer bos wolanin que leach har prokhorov stl kruse cal richter nyr bawa sj osiecki min matvichuk min pedersen har jennings pit essensa win ray buf mckim bos faust phi smolinski bos fogarty pit hervey tb picard sj reese cal romaniuk win thompson la pilon nyi giles stl baron stl cheveldae det hankinson nj mcdougall edm felsner stl ruff tb petrov mon black min morris sj walter van hrivnak win wakaluk min dufresne mon cronin phi smyth cal hrudey la marsh ott casey min berry min ranford edm belfour chi rivers tb forslund cal capuano tb djoos nyr cummins det otevrel sj kolstad sj osborne tb wood sj brickley win eakins win simon que bennett chi gillis har carlyle win nylund nyi blue bos watters la woolley was whitmore van stauber la young tb roussel phi twist que fiset que jablonski tb soderstrom phi healy nyi burke har hextall que roy mon vernon cal joseph stl brown phi grimson chi barnaby buf ratushny van zholtok bos sullivan nj duncanson nyr beaufait sj bowen phi macdonald buf esau que smith min vial det brown buf draper buf karpa que tichy chi gosselin har fortier la hayward sj mcgill tor bergeron tb potvin la berthiaume ott racicot mon wregget pit ciccone min puppa tor hackett sj fitzpatrick nyi billington nj potvin tor vanbiesbrouk nyr mclean van moog bos beaupre was baumgartner tor bales bos burridge was chabot mon alessio har littman tb parks nyi semchuk la st amour ott cimellaro ott cote tb marcinyshyn nyr neill win raglan tb williams la charron mon ciavaglia buf cloutier que hamr ott wamsley tor hirsch nyr connor nj messier nyr knickle la chapdelaine la shannon tor agnew har waite chi langway was riendeau det hebert stl tabaracci was tugnutt edm caufield pit hasek buf pietrangelo har irbe sj terreri nj fuhr buf sidorkiewicz ott maurice richard un you better add at least another plus to the pederson for neely trade the bruins also received number round draft pick didn play great this year but wesley still decent defenseman and the bruins got pederson back eventually anyway pat ellis go bruins go umaine black bears number hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya hobey baker award winner ncaa div hockey tournament champions ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee well just read in the boston globe that while not confirming or denying anything walsh may end up with the rangers organizations as an assistant coach keenan has talked with walsh in the past he came up to see kariya as he will be coaching him in the worlds funny guess he got to watch the ferraro brothers as well not sure if walsh will go but if keenan is getting and walsh even gets that pay raise for walsh not to mention nice career move anyone from new york hear anything about this pat ellis go bruins go umaine black bears number hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya hobey baker award winner ncaa div hockey tournament champions ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee sorry roger but mr basketbal should what he really means here ie he should have said that he hopes fans in the american southeast can follow the names of the divisions the odds that these people other than those who are displaced notherners who are probably already fans is on the order of the proverbial snowball in hell am not at all clear about what you are trying to say here if you asked somone who had never heard of hockey before if la played in the smythe division what do you think that the response would be what if you asked this person if la played in the west division the naming of divisions after long dead entrepreneurs is unnecessary obfuscation am glad that the names are being changed for another reason the names patrick smythe norris adams and campbell are all the names of so called builders of the game this is the same type of thinking that put stein in the hall of fame this is absolute nonsense the real builders of the game are richard morenz howe conacher orr etc if you are going to name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people who deserve it yes these people deserve recognigtion as hockey greats but the old division names took into account messers patrick norris smythe and the prince who had alot more to do with the origins of the league than people who came into an already established situation it is much easier to be an element of change hardly the established situation existed prior to smythe et al the stanley cup was challenge trophy up for grabs to whatever team could successfully mount the challenge what our dear founders did was formalize the challenge they created closed league an oligop olistic professional system in the interests of making money wheth er or not that system has contributed to better hockey is certainly debatable we are however stuck with their invention and that de bate is academic the point to be made however is that people played hockey and people enjoyed watching hockey long before smythe and his pals showed up or standout in an existing situation than it is to be someone who creates new situation if you want to honor players like bobby orr than sure you can find reason to name torphy after him such as best offensive defenseman what wrong with best defenceman period was there ever better defenceman was there ever better player and if you think that bruce norris contribution was somehow more significant than bobby orr then in the interests of education why don you take poll and find out how many people know who norris was but you don have to do you no can for the reasons gave above in the same boat as jason and grew up with the current divisonal names and learned them when was about years old and who played in what division if year old american can learn this why would it be hard for an occasional fan to pick up on who plays in what division so you don feel that you should have to make the effort to remember that vancouver plays in the west division or pacific or whatever other intuitively understandable moniker is chosen oh now see your point your intention has been to alert us to the erosion of purity ll bet you like hockey because it for the most part played by whites of european extraction probably not in my case sure of this what you said would be like me saying that all maple leafs fans are as biased closed minded ignorant and of course you neatly deleted jason jingoistic rant about the game losing its canadianization quoting me out of context does more to erode your credibility than it does mine my position is clearly progressive and is anything but biased closed minded ig norant arrogant will grant you arrogant and moronic as you just because someone doesn like what mr basketball is doing voices their opinion and likes the senerio of you going to antartica does not mean that you have the right to insult them nice try john but for flame to be truly effective you have to display at least enough intelligence to earn your target respect cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca thanks for the people who have entered this year team pool here is summary of what was picked round pittsburgh new jersey chicago st louis boston buffalo vancouver winnipeg calgary los angeles detroit toronto washington new york islanders people picked new jersey quebec montreal round pittsburgh washington new york islanders boston quebec montreal detroit chicago toronto calgary vancouver los angeles winnipeg round pittsburgh boston quebec washington detroit chicago toronto vancouver calgary los angeles finals pittsburgh boston detroit toronto quebec los angeles chicago good luck to all mike burger my canada includes quebec ontario colostate edu the maritimes the prairies and florida beginning computing ta stud four months year over students served royal canadian air farce university of michigan colorado state university does anyone out there have the shorthanded goal totals of the nhl players for this season we re trying to finish our rotisserie stats and need shg to make it complete stanley cup finals toronto maple leafs vs montreal canadiens the classic stanley cup final matchup also dream come true montreal wins the stanley cup in the game in double overtime you know after finished laughing thought this would be great final two canadian teams with lots of tradition and all that don cherry nonsense behind them and nail biter finish of course would prefer vancouver montreal final with vancouver scoring the final goal pity neither will happen steve holland fine year history came to close tonight as the minnesota north stars or norm stars whichever you prefer lost to the red wings by score of the stars goals were scored by mike mcphee and ulf dahlen who netted two including the final one in franchise history with less than minute to play yes it shame that the nhl lost fine team in one of the best hockey markets in the country being north stars fan it is sad to see all of the tradition of the last years get thrown into oblivion at the hands of truly crappy owner hopefully the nhl will install an expansion franchise in the twin cities within the next five years even if this is the case lot has been lost in the north stars move kea centers mark messier rangers messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries while the press made an issue of it and attempted to link it to the rangers internal political woes mike keenan repeated that to messier personally during the msg press conference it makes sense messier would probably have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley the subject line says it all is it terribly difficult to get tickets to penguins games especially now that they are in the playoffs would it be easy to find scalpers outside of the igloo selling tickets dean money acs ohio state edu well back from tokyo so here are the standings after the april update andrew usenet hockey draft standings week posn team pts proj cash last posn dave wessels bob hill gilles carmel seppo kemppainen the awesome oilers hillside raiders mak the knife paranjape jan stein this years model rangers of destiny tapio repo frank big fish the underachievers on thin ice go flames littlest giants mopar muscle men lindros losers die penguin bandwaggoners samuel lau calgary alberta boomer boys general accounting office delaware wombats migods menschen wellsy buttheads dec nh rocky mountain high fife flyers gerald olchowy dave snell fluide glacial gaoler smegheads the young and the skateless sam his dogs neural netters youngbucs artic storm soft swedes jeff horvath milton keynes kings hamster from hoboken kuehn crushers le fleur de lys yan the man loke legion of hoth simmonac the finnish force ice legion streaks brian bergman goaldingers overachievers grant marven bozrah bruins real bad toe jam houdini magicians skriko wolves rec sport hockey choices buffalo soldiers bemybaby lippe randy coulman lamp lighters steven and mark dream team indianapolis bennies tom bloom county all stars bruins phil and kev karma dudes smithw iowa hockeyes doug bowles the great pumpkin non shooting seamen frank worthless aik exiles invisible inc brad gibson cougarmania kortelaisen kovat plp fools david wong john zupancic garryola gary bergman fan club staffan axelsson chubby checkers derrill dastardly dozen chocolate rockets ken decruyenaere fisher dirtbags kodiaks no namers the campi machine bsc oranienburg the kamucks arsenal maple leafs ellis islanders mombasa mosquitos zachmans wingers edelweiss bjoern leaguen dirty white socks wormtown woosbags neil younger hurricane andrew king suke larry het schot is hard bloodgamers bruce rented mules teem kanada frank follies oklahoma stormchasers spuds pond slime psv dartmouth mark sanders blue talon stanford ice hawks aye carumba kokudo keikaku bunnies timo ojala haral cluster buster dirty rotten puckers apricot fuzzfaces the lost poots nesbitt gary bill pens dynasty garys team arctic circles seattle pftb late night with david letterman le groupe mi go bruins scott glenn flying kiwis team gold closet boy boys wild hearted sons boutch andy wong wembley lostweekenders mckees rocks rockers book em danno bushbabies dree hobbs go habs go goddess of fermentation tim rogers convex stars einstein rock band princeton canucks tap hubert hockey homeboys buttered waffles my team bob blues furleys furies hunters collectors les nordiques satan choice dr joel fleishman sundogs pierre mailhot slap shot marco san jose mahi mahi the leafs rule jeff nimeroff stimpy adg zeta the dreamers east city jokers daryl turner riding the pine flowers darse billings chappel chumps lana inc spinal tap jimparker enforcers jeff bachovchin big bad bruins mike mac cormack sydney ns can bulldogs voyageurs absolut lehigh republican dirty tricksters henry bar dr and the bunch of misfits robyns team yellow plague ninja turtles team melville acadien darman dragons kuta papercuts great expectations cobra killers cherry bombers jayson kinky pucks killer apes kaufbeuren icebreakers umpire life roger smith firebirds those few weeks hurt ikea wholesale outlaws the club thundering herd believe it or dont creeping death knee injuries crazy euros frack attack todd turkeys ryan renegades fred mckim hurricane pig vomit ice strykers fighting geordies cdn stuck in alabama dayton bomber cafall and crew chris of death swillbellies banko beer rangers zipper heads ny flames ship way laubsters ii oz joliet inmates ninja bunnies great scott widefield white wolves the ice holes sandy sabres daves team south carolina tiger paws florida tech burgh team leos blue chips for xtc roadrunners mudville kings new jersey rob redliners pat phillips stewart clamen demon spawn sunnyvale storm allez les blues up for sale hockey club petes picks rinaco brenz revenge dinamo riga andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old here is the price list for the week april to april andrew buy sell pts team player pit mario lemieux buf pat lafontaine bos adam oates det steve yzerman wpg teemu selanne nyi pierre turgeon tor doug gilmour buf alexander mogilny phi mark recchi la luc robitaille que mats sundin pit kevin stevens van pavel bure stl craig janney pit rick tocchet chi jeremy roenick que joe sakic stl brett hull cgy theoren fleury pit ron francis tor dave andreychuk bos joe juneau wpg phil housley mtl vincent damphousse mtl kirk muller det dino ciccarelli buf dale hawerchuk min mike modano nyr mark messier stl brendan shanahan pit jaromir jagr mtl brian bellows la jari kurri det sergei fedorov cgy robert reichel det paul coffey wsh peter bondra hfd geoff sanderson tb brian bradley nyi steve thomas pit larry murphy phi rod brind amour bos ray bourque que steve duchesne hfd andrew cassels la tony granato wsh dale hunter wsh mike ridley hfd pat verbeek mtl stephan lebeau cgy gary suter van cliff ronning nj claude lemieux que mike ricci van murray craven stl jeff brown wsh kevin hatcher nyr tony amonte sj kelly kisio nj alexander semak min russ courtnall min dave gagner tor nikolai borschevsky phi eric lindros la jimmy carson cgy joe nieuwendyk van geoff courtnall min ulf dahlen nyi derek king wsh michal pivonka que owen nolan bos dmitri kvartalnov stl nelson emerson chi chris chelios nyi benoit hogue nj stephane richer wpg thomas steen wpg alexei zhamnov chi steve larmer pit joe mullen nyr mike gartner van petr nedved van trevor linden la mike donnelly wsh dmitri khristich wsh al iafrate det ray sheppard que andrei kovalenko hfd zarley zalapski nyr adam graves sj johan garpenlov tor glenn anderson la wayne gretzky ott norm maciver phi garry galley det steve chiasson det paul ysebaert nj valeri zelepukin mtl mike keane phi brent fedyk pit shawn mceachern la rob blake nyi pat flatley que scott young wpg darrin shannon phi kevin dineen nj bernie nicholls cgy sergei makarov chi steve smith wsh pat elynuik van greg adams nj scott stevens tb john tucker wpg fredrik olausson nyr sergei nemchinov nyr darren turcotte cgy al macinnis chi christian ruuttu chi brent sutter hfd terry yake van dixon ward wpg keith tkachuk bos stephen leach tor john cullen mtl denis savard nyr ed olczyk van anatoli semenov wsh sylvain cote nyi vladimir malakhov nyi jeff norton hfd patrick poulin bos dave poulin la tomas sandstrom edm petr klima nj john maclean edm doug weight mtl gilbert dionne la alexei zhitnik edm shayne corson que martin rucinsky wpg evgeny davydov stl kevin miller edm craig simpson wsh kelly miller phi pelle eklund chi michel goulet edm dave manson ott sylvain turgeon cgy paul ranheim mtl mathieu schneider min mark tinordi det bob probert edm todd elik nyr esa tikkanen bos vladimir ruzicka ott bob kudelski nj peter stastny tor dave ellett ott brad shaw det niklas lidstrom nj bobby holik tor wendel clark nyr alexei kovalev buf yuri khmylev min mike mcphee tor rob pearson van sergio momesso nyr brian leetch chi dirk graham tb adam creighton que valery kamensky edm zdeno ciger la corey millen bos ted donato tor peter zezel min neal broten mtl gary leeman edm scott mellanby buf wayne presley det keith primeau nyi brian mullen phi josef beranek chi stephane matteau bos steve heinze phi dmitri yushkevich hfd mikael nylander buf richard smehlik tor dmitri mironov chi brian noonan sj pat falloon stl igor korolev wsh bob carpenter nyr james patrick buf petr svoboda ott mark lamb nyi scott lachance mtl benoit brunet tb mikael andersson edm martin gelinas wpg sergei bautin tor bill berg edm kevin todd nyi david volek nyi ray ferraro min brent gilchrist hfd yvon corriveau nyr phil bourque nyi darius kasparaitis det jim hiller phi andrei lomakin buf donald audette tb roman hamrlik bos cam neely sj mark pederson pit martin straka chi joe murphy nyr peter andersson ott tomas jelinek nj janne ojanen tb steve kasper min bobby smith sj ray whitney hfd robert petrovicky buf viktor gordijuk tor joe sacco que mikhail tatarinov sj peter ahola chi rob brown bos glen murray hfd tim kerr min brian propp wsh reggie savage stl vitali prokhorov la robert lang edm shaun van allen min dan quinn det viacheslav kozlov bos jozef stumpel pit bryan fogarty mtl olav petrov tb stan drulia wsh jason woolley nj claude vilgrain mtl patrick kjellberg ott alexei yashin wsh randy burridge edm dean mcammond cgy cory stillman tb brent gretzky buf jason dawe wsh brian sakic van igor larionov chi sergei krivokrasov que peter forsberg andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old philadelphia hartford first period hartford nylander unassisted philadelphia recchi lindros brind amour pp second period hartford burt cunneyworth kron philadelphia bowen eklund recchi hartford nylander zalapski sanderson third period hartford kron sanderson cassels pp philadelphia beranek lomakin yushkevich philadelphia faust brind amour roussel overtime philadelphia yushkevich faust philadelphia power play scorer pts beranek bowen brind amour eklund faust lindros lomakin recchi roussel yushkevich hartford power play scorer pts burt cassels cunneyworth kron nylander sanderson zalapski new jersey ny islanders first period ny islanders turgeon unassisted ny islanders thomas malakhov king pp ny islanders ferraro dalgarno malakhov second period new jersey niedermayer richer nicholls ny islanders mullen vaske dalgarno ny islanders thomas hogue norton new jersey zelepukin unassisted new jersey richer nicholls daneyko ny islanders hogue flatley ferraro third period ny islanders turgeon unassisted new jersey semak lemieux driver ny islanders turgeon king pilon ny islanders power play scorer pts dalgarno ferraro flatley hogue king malakhov mullen norton pilon thomas turgeon vaske new jersey power play scorer pts daneyko driver lemieux nicholls niedermayer richer semak zelepukin ny rangers washington first period ny rangers graves zubov andersson washington ridley unassisted second period washington hatcher johansson third period washington jones may washington cote khristich pivonka pp ny rangers gartner amonte andersson pp washington power play scorer pts cote hatcher johansson jones khristich may pivonka ridley ny rangers power play scorer pts amonte andersson gartner graves zubov the subject line says it all is it terribly difficult to get tickets to penguins games especially now that they are in the playoffs would it be easy to find scalpers outside of the igloo selling tickets dean money acs ohio state edu here is my traditional experience with tickets playoffs and otherwise at the civic arena scalping is illegal but nonetheless present outside the arena best strategy given that you don mind missing the anthem which is ok if taylor decides to come back ever again is to wait until or when the game is rolling the scalpers are at this point desperate to sell and will reduce to near or at face value to get rid of their tickets playoffs are little different in that good seats will go early on what left at may be nosebleed material sections others can add on their opinions as well kevin stamber purdue university penguins devils pens lead series game to none when left it was blues with to go as predicted in was right in the first place blues in yes of course it only one game that could be the hawks stab in the face to wake them up that what playoffs are about on any given day robbie po pgh penguins we do what comes naturally patrick division semi stanley cup you see now wait for the penguins devils champions possibility don you see penguins lead straight wins strong resemblance dg well thanks to everyone who has entered so far there are at least entries and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline which is pm today sunday april in the interest of fairness since will win anyway feel it is only right to actually tell everyone my picks so that you all won cry rigged after declare myself the winner here they are series your pick games division semifinals pittsburgh new jersey pittsburgh washington ny islanders ny islanders boston buffalo boston quebec montreal quebec chicago st louis chicago detroit toronto detroit vancouver winnipeg winnipeg calgary los angeles calgary division finals patrick pittsburgh adams quebec norris chicago smythe calgary conference finals wales pittsburgh campbell chicago stanley cup winner pittsburgh keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you got back from my trip to discover that my email spool file got blown away am missing all the playoff pool entries sent between april and april it looks like about entries got lost sigh therefore would like to ask each person that sent me team to resend it asap am relying on your honesty to not make changes after the deadline today thanks in advance and apologize for the problem andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old in article columbia edu cc columbia edu gary dare wrote locked away waiting for the tape delay to start it nice that the devils are starting out their playoffs on network television too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on wabc am for an early season yankees baseball game it win by the texas rangers and they re delaying the tape delay by another half hour for the ballgame highlights you think that bad in bowling green oh and we get abc from toledo well the cable co decided to totally pre empt the game no tape delay no nothing for stupid telethon hockey is very big around here too had to listen to my penguins win on my car radio out in the parking lot can just be thankful for strong radio because being miles from pittsburgh the reception usually isn good at all can believe picked it up during the middle of the day george are people here stupid or what it is tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is tie breaker how can there be different record man thought people in this net are good with hockey might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker the blues scored two power play goals in seconds in the third period and the beat the chicago blackhawks sunday afternoon at chicago stadium brendan shanahan tied the game and brett hull scored the game winner seconds later jeff brown and denny felsner scored the other blues goals brian noonan had the hat trick for the hawks who also had some very good goaltending from ed belfour blues goalie curtis joseph was solid down the stretch to preserve the blues lead the hawks came out strong in the first period outshooting the blues and taking lead on noonan first goal right after an interference penalty on rick zombo had expired keith brown intercepted clearing attempt at the blue line and passed the puck to steve larmer in the right circle larmer fired long slap shot and noonan deflected the puck between joseph pads after the goal the blues picked up the intensity and went on to outshoot the hawks in the first period jeff brown tied the game at of the second nelson emerson broke in on the left side got by craig muni and pushed the puck across the slot belfour came out to play the pass and shoveled it to the right boards where brown collected it and slapped it in before belfour could get back to the goal two minutes later on hawks power play belfour stopped rich sutter on short handed break in chris chelios picked up the puck and passed it to jeremy roenick who carried it on right wing and found an open noonan with nice pass across the slot noonan fired it past joseph at for the lead noonan completed his hat trick later to increase the hawks lead to stephane matteau made nice pass from the right boards to noonan who beat stephane quintal by driving to the net joseph had no chance as noonan deflected the puck in the net denny felsner reduced the blues deficit to at after picking up the rebound of basil mcrae slap shot from the slot janney set up mcrae for the shot and the puck sailed wide of the net and bounced off the end boards to felsner felsner sticked the rebound into the partially open net the blues outshot the hawks in the second period with the blackhawks leading at of the third stephane matteau picked up high sticking penalty just seconds into the power play steve smith was called for slashing giving the blues on advantage for the blues didn waste time as brendan shanahan scored just seconds into the two man advantage to tie the game janney found hull in the slot and hull fired rocket at belfour jeff brown collected the rebound and passed it to shanahan in the left circle shanahan beat belfour from sharp angle just seconds later hull scored the game winner for the blues nelson emerson broke in on right wing carried the puck behind the net along with two hawks defensemen emerson made nice pass to an unchecked hull in the slot and hull beat belfour to put the blues up the hawks had several chances to tie the game in the final minutes but joseph made some brilliant saves to prevent the hawks from scoring he stopped troy murray point blank from just right of the crease with left in the game the blues killed off late hawks power play with rich sutter clearing the puck with his hand as it was trickling along the goal line the blues held on to win the game the hawks oushot the blues in the third period totaling shots on goal for each team the blues special teams were excellent in the game the blues killed of hawks power plays and scored twice on on four power play chances the blues ranked among the best special teams in the league they rank in penalty killing and on the power play the game was carried live on abc the first time an nhl game other than an all star game has been shown on network television since may when cbs carried game of the stanley cup finals the best of seven series continues wednesday in chicago and friday and sunday in st louis box score blues blackhawks blues chicago first period chi noonan larmer brown penalties shanahan stl holding zombo stl interference murphy chi high sticking grimson chi boarding zombo stl holding second period stl brown shanahan emerson chi ppg noonan roenick chelios chi noonan matteau sutter stl felsner mcrae janney penalties baron stl interference wilson stl tripping third period stl ppg shanahan brown hull stl ppg hull emerson brown penalties shanahan stl roughing matteau chi high sticking smith chi slashing baron stl roughing shots on goal blues chicago power play opportunities st louis of chicago of goaltenders st louis joseph shots saves chicago belfour referee kerry fraser linesmen kevin collins brian murphy joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker well don see any smileys here am trying to figure out if the poster is dog or wordprocessor couldn be neither both are smarter than this might not be great in math cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time in article columbia edu cc columbia edu gary dare says locked away waiting for the tape delay to start think this guy is going to be just little bit disappointed lemieux two tocchet mullen tippett and jagr buzzed my friend because forgot who had scored mullen goal said who scored lemieux two tocchet tippett jagr the funny part was said the jagr part non chalantly as he was in the process of scoring while was asking this question all in all abc coverage wasn bad on scale of give it about an how were the games in the chi st louis la area it nice that the devils are starting out their playoffs on network television too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on wabc am for an early season yankees baseball game that stupid complain to the television network if were to even see pirates game on instead of penguins game at this time of the year and many other pittsburghers would surely raise hell it win by the texas rangers and they re delaying the tape delay by another half hour for the ballgame highlights texas is off to good start they may pull it out this year whoops that belongs in rec sport baseball robbie po pgh penguins we do what comes naturally patrick division semi stanley cup you see now wait for the penguins devils champions possibility don you see penguins lead straight wins strong resemblance dg in article vzhivov carleton ca vladimir zhivov says red wings vs maple leafs maple leafs in comment it kind of tough to rely on yzerman as the team main weapon he great palyer but dino knows all about choking which puts the burden on steve even more potvin had hell of season and goaltending is what you need in the playoffs for great prognosticator you seem to remember very little playoff history dino always shows up in the playoffs which is why he is great sleeper pick in pools don forget about fedorov one of the top players in the nhl imho and coffey who has the most stanley cup rings of any active players correct me if wrong wings in cakewalk oh yeah how come dino could never take the caps out of the patrick division he choked up games to last year and got swept away in the second round two years ago he rarely if ever makes it out of the division canucks vs jets canucks in comment it more like vancouver vs selanne king and domi for enforcing help winnipeg out little maybe game canucks have their number except that the canuck are playing like shit winnipeg can win this one though think vancouver will manage to slip by so are the islanders but they can still pull it out vancouver has winnipeg number so it really doesn matter flames vs kings flames in comment games looks good as the kings always seem to battle it out flames are back in running and won know memories of last year season gretzky is on tear but there are too many surrounding the kings kings always seem to battle it out when where kings always seem to go at least or they never play four or five game serious there difference between battling it out and pulling it out as take calgary to pull it out in robbie po pgh penguins we do what comes naturally patrick division semi stanley cup you see now wait for the penguins devils champions possibility don you see penguins lead straight wins strong resemblance dg hear daigle will eb the first pick next year what is the word on kariya anybody ever seen him play on tv is he also entering the draft the mission to revive hockey at umass is now underway at the pm saturday afternoon press conference held at the new mullins center arena former boston college asst coach joe mallen was awarded the year year contract as head coach for the umass minutemen mallen was the third viable pick for the position right behind jeff jackson lake superior and second behind shawn walsh umaine previous offers for the position were rumored to have been offered to the asst coaches of brown rpi and the head coach of the ahl springfield indians umass hockey was disbanded in due to financial constraints that had undermined the team position over period of years in late november of last year the million mullins sports center was opened following its one year construction deadline the minutemen are slated to play an independent div ii div iii schedule this upcoming winter before officially entering hockey east for the winter season mallen has yet to comment on player recruitment strategies or potential team candidates for the minutemen it is expected that he will leverage off his inside contacts within new england the bay state and europe to draw on competitive top ice players for the university umass has slated hockey scholarships for the upcoming fall semester expect to hear more from me as hear more from my sources jim doyle univ of massachusetts dept of computer science staff programmer puma dcc cnet email cs umass edu office lederle grc room tel home blackberry ln tel amherst ma the subject line says it all is it terribly difficult to get tickets to penguins games especially now that they are in the playoffs would it be easy to find scalpers outside of the igloo selling tickets there are always scalpers with tickets outside the arena you might have to pay few bucks extra but you can always find them look on the street under the message board or out on the street in front of the hyatt or even around gate the later you buy them the less money you ll pay and during the regular season you could usually find some for near face value or below if you wait until game time might be better to pick them up earlier now though rick are people here stupid or what it is tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is tie breaker how can there be different record man thought people in this net are good with hockey might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker why not believe both the devils and islanders got points say for example another team had this record they had which is the same as their points total the islanders and devils records are both it is simple arithmetics and involve no calculus john computer science graduate who pretends to be mathematican on april com richard wernick wrote or boston you know sinden going to find some way of screwing up even this good boston team he ll fire suter or trade away vital star admittedly his last few trades have been good ones but how long before his luck runs out and he starts making esposito for ratelle type trades again how was this trade bad seem to recall ratelle and middleton making pretty good centre right wing combination and the bruins also got brad park in the deal and they also lost vadnais and somebody else after the trade the bruins were in two finals and one semi final all of which of course they lost to montreal which should please you to no end doubt however keeping esposito would have made difference in those series as he did not for the rangers in or any of his years in boston for that matter riston riston well put jason am not from wisconsin but have close relatives who live in port washington about minutes north of milwaukee visit the city regularly and have been in the bradley four times to see the admirals play and the ncaa hockey championships it is beautiful building the pettits and the city like to promote it as the best facility for hockey in north america as to what will happen with the admirals if milwaukee does acquire franchise word is the team will move to green bay and play in the brown county arena once again the admirals are an independent franchise and the people of milwaukee have been supporting them well the games have been to have seen crowds anywhere from to which are numbers some nhl teams the islanders hartford new jersey would be envious of having on some nights plus the fact that the city is able to support minor league franchise without the glamour of having an nhl club affiliated to it is testimony to the amount of hockey interest exists in the city sincerely martin hill rt box sault ste marie mi home of lssu go lakers anybody know what the attendance figures are for the ihl and how milwaukee stacks up against other ihl cities such as atlanta phoenix san diego cleveland and cincinnati if so please reply can live with the other changes that have been made the playoff format change but the change to the division and conference names really annoys me batman was on tsn last night saying that changing the names would make the game easier for the occasional fan to follow he should have said what he meant that changing the names will make the game easier for americans in non hockey cities to follow don know of too many of my friends who had hard time following which teams were in each division even minimal amount of exposure to the game allows person to quickly pick up on this there is nothing wrong with making the game easier for americans to follow the more fans the merrier and even if you dislike the occasional fan there is always the chance that these fans will become fanatics am glad that the names are being changed for another reason the names patrick smythe norris adams and campbell are all the names of so called builders of the game this is the same type of thinking that put stein in the hall of fame this is absolute nonsense the real builders of the game are richard morenz howe conacher orr etc if you are going to name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people who deserve it think that you are incorrect roger patrick smythe and adams all played or coached in the league before becoming front office types hence they did help build the league although they were not great players themselves agree that name is name is name and if some people have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like reasonable idea if we can get people in the arena door by being uncomplicated then let do so once we have them they will realize what great game hockey is and we can then teach them something abotu the history of the game the history of the names can be put rather succinctly all of the aforemen tioned used the game of hockey to make money can you imagine pocklington division ballard division or how about green division no would not want to see ballard division but to say that these owners are assholes hence all nhl management people are assholes would be fallacious conn smythe for example was classy individual from what have heard also isn the point of professional hockey to make money for all those involved which would include the players what think you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as should have been their due and it is the players that are what make the game great not the people who put them on the ice so naming division after management people rather than players is adding insult in the form of lesser recognition to injury less money than was deserved evan pritchard number or depending on the hockey pool uiuc edu think that you are incorrect roger patrick smythe and adams all played or coached in the league before becoming front office types hence they did help build the league although they were not great players themselves punch imlach contributions as coach and gm were far greater than those of the above combined should we name division or trophy after him smythe and norris and the bunch were honoured purely because they were powerful owners as owners they certainly did help to build the league but whether they developed the game is another question altogether are we going to honour those who contributed to the league evolution or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the sport itself agree that name is name is name and if some people have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like reasonable idea if we can get people in the arena door by being uncomplicated then let do so once we have them they will realize what great game hockey is and we can then teach them something abotu the history of the game can disagree with you here the history of the names can be put rather succinctly all of the aforemen tioned used the game of hockey to make money can you imagine pocklington division ballard division or how about green division no would not want to see ballard division but to say that these owners are assholes hence all nhl management people are assholes would be fallacious conn smythe for example was classy individual from what have heard what have you heard the major was the definitive little asshole he originated the phrase if you can beat em in the alley you can beat em on the ice that was his idea of hockey do you think by chance that don cherry is classy individual also isn the point of professional hockey to make money for all those involved which would include the players what think you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as should have been their due and it is the players that are what make the game great not the people who put them on the ice so naming division after management people rather than players is adding insult in the form of lesser recognition to injury less money than was deserved the money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on and that is it is the players that are what make the game great and not the people who put them on the ice exactly true naming divisions and trophies after smythe and the bunch is the same kind of nepotism that put stein in the hall of fame have always thought that this was nonsense cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time no would not want to see ballard division but to say that these owners are assholes hence all nhl management people are assholes would be fallacious conn smythe for example was classy individual from what have heard depends on what you mean by classy from what ve heard about him he was about as classy as harold ballard only difference was that back then almost all the owners were like that so he seemed okay by comparison read the book net worth for one view of what smythe and norris and adams and campbell were like also isn the point of professional hockey to make money for all those involved which would include the players what think you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as should have been their due and it is the players that are what make the game great not the people who put them on the ice so naming division after management people rather than players is adding insult in the form of lesser recognition to injury less money than was deserved even more specifically think what roger was saying and said it previously too is that these are not the people who made the league great so why should divisions conferences etc be named after them instead of morenz vezina howe orr etc the people who did make it great instead the nhl has chosen to immortalize the men who got rich off of the men who made the game great chris roney mail chris ca mario averaged points per game the antigretz gretzky averaged pts game mario projected over games points beats wayne record by check your information before posting gretzky record is pts in games over games points over games gretzky total projected points pitt winning percentage with mario over games points would this have been record know mtl had one year the canadiens had percentage pts in games the bruins had winning percentage also the canadiens had percentage with record bob wilson carleton ca joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues for updated playoff updates scores stats summaries mail me edu with the subject stats com upi writes in clari sports hockey new york upi mike keenan whose nhl coaching history has been to wear out his welcome despite an impressive penchant for winning has come to the city that embraces victors above all else well could become fan seriously this news coming since thursday has effectively robbed the islanders and the devils of any airtime on sports talk shows almost everywhere that ve sampled in fact the playoffs almost don exist now ranger fans calling in to wfan or to new york one midnight sports talk were in mix of fury over this season and near orgasm over keenan hiring summarizing keenan is winner and will give the broadway bums da business in pursuing the next cup chase the chicago blackhawks cut their last tie with keenan when he was forced out as general manager in november he had given up chicago coaching duties year ago and his thirst for the power of gm now increases the pressure on beleaguered rangers gm neil smith this will be an interesting combination to watch keenan has been paid enough money to put up and shut up and just be coach but his advice on any player moves will be listened to closely lot of big player moves will happen remember that keenan got rid of denis savard the country club days are over when keenan left chicago couldn help but think about him as our coach smith said there was an indication he would be taken off the market feared that and couldn let that happen if paramount had given smith an earlier sign of support and offered keenan the big money to put up and shut up back in january the rangers might not be heading for golf now keenan takes on demoralized team that offers him chance to fashion yet another of his reclamation projects at the highest salary ever commanded by an nhl coach the rangers owned by gulf western have bestowed upon keenan an unprecedented million four year deal ve known mike long time messier said we ve won two canada cups together he been to the finals three times maybe we miss just one more element to win the stanley cup don think he the same person he was years ago or even five years ago think he has changed and bettered himself with experience one of keenan first statements was reaffirmation that mark messier will be the team captain the timing of the move gives the rangers new coach months to prepare for the nhl draft june and neil smith may not back off the their trade happy pattern by then smith might have some bargains on keenan advice like maybe unloading phil bourque for tie domi gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley was the abc coverage of the kings flames game supposed to be the way it was shown in bc with cbc overriding the abc coverage when flipped to abc it was the same commentators same commercials even my question is was this the real abc coverage or did cbc just black out the abc coverage for its own comment cbc had great chance for some double headers toronto detroit and vancouver winnipeg but today they said that the east gets the leafs and the west get the vancouver game thought that they would show them both the godfather does anybody know the details of the shriners all star game that featured the best seniors in college hockey in game in orono maine if you do please reply everyone read this if you have already sent your predictions please correct the patrick division if you would like you have until midnight on monday my time you may need to correct these games pittsburgh vs new jersey new york islanders vs washington patrick division winner wales conference winner stanley cup winner please forward all corrections to richard madison uwaterloo ca rd pens over isles in devils over caps in pens over devils in norris division tor vs det tor in this like mon vs que will be another intense series to watch chi vs tor tor in potvin will be settling in nicely by this point vancouver vs toronto toronto in potvin will be series mvp this is what kills me stanley cup finals toronto maple leafs vs montreal canadiens the classic stanley cup final matchup also dream come true montreal wins the stanley cup in the game in double overtime roy and potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series mvp if that is possible vincent damphouse nets game winner from brilliant pass by brian bellows canadiens star denis savard watched his buddies play from the owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the disabled list since the first game of the playoffs awww shucks paul die hard habs fan living with die hard leafs fans speaking of die hard that what did when read this died hard laughing toronto to the cup finals first of all has anyone on the planet heard of the team from detroit al morgani or however you spell the idiot name must be from chicago because on espn he said it not even close chicago will definatly win the norris division in the playoffs no other team is close everyone is picking chicago don get it he says it an easy choice god chicago was against the wings and they won the division by point or two followed closely by toronto who is also good team as for the leafs beating detroit doubt it but even if they do they aren going to get by chicago if even more amazingly they get past the hawks they would probably face vancouver and lose as for the habs reaching the finals forget it even as devoted wings fan will watch the penguins easily three peat as cup winners lemieux jagr tocchet stevens and barrasso its done deal sorry detroit wait til next year but hey these were paul picks and everyone has right to their own opinnions but the leafs to the finals yeah if they make it there ll walk to toronto to get some tickets and that mile walk ryan detroit red wings the forgotten team go wings let hope the penguins go out early in the mist of the rangers soap box captain nemesis ier ex coach roger nebula bad blood bath and with high hopes turned to new coach mr klean commissar keenan would like to know what procedures hockey teams use to select their captains including are they selected by the coaching staff do the players vote for captain or are they appointed by management and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated mike and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other the leafs have always been kind of comical during the second imlach era when darryl sittler was called cancer on the team he tore the off his sweater and for while the leafs didn have captain sittler eventually ended up in philly and he was promised the philly captaincy by new gm and sittler friend bobby clarke instead sittler got traded to detroit rick vaive was the leaf captain for awhile but he slept in one day and they took the captaincy away from him then he was traded to chicago during doug carpenter tenure as leaf coach in an attempt to kiss the ass of sulking gary leeman the leafs took the away from brad marsh to give to leeman leeman wouldn take it and when they tried to give it back to marsh he wouldn take it neither the best story remember about captain concerned mel bridgman late of the senators while he was in philadelphia bobby clarke arguably one of the great captains of all time was bumped up to the status of playing coach and so he had to relinquish the captaincy bridgman be came the new captain reporter asked flyer what bridgman did as captain since clarke was still the undisputed leader amongst the players the reporter was told that bridgman was in charge of making sure that the soap dispensers in the showers were always full cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time are people here stupid or what it is tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is tie breaker how can there be different record man thought people in this net are good with hockey might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker golly love stupid people listen rex this is hockey the nhl to be precise and in the nhl there exist these things called ties tie occurs when game ends with the score for each team equal each team gets one point for tie there also exits these things called wins win is when one team has higher score than the opponent oh yeah only two teams play each other at time so can say the opponent team gets two points for win so let say that team has record of wins losses and ties another team has record of wins losses and ties the first team has points the second team has points wow they both have the same number of points but the number of wins is different how did they do that that amazing so rex when people talk about wins being the first tiebreaker well then that what it means in our example the second team would win the tiebreaker and therefore have the better record even though both teams had the same number of points if you didn understand this post rex maybe you should go back and read it again very slowly keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you well it not that bad but am still pretty pissed of at the local abc coverage they cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing david brinkley at instead of an earlier time slot don even understand their problem if they didnt think enough people would not watch the game why would they decide to show most of the game and if they showed the remaining hours of the game would it hurt to play david brinkley at its regular time they dont have any decent programming before noon anyway called the sports dept and blasted them on their machine called gain and someone picked it up when asked him why they premepted the first half hour of the stanley cup playoffs he seemed bit confused when explained bit more in detail he then said that upto to our programming dept call back on monday weel understand that the sports dept is not responsible for this preemption but can understand how someone in the sports dept can even recognise the name of playoffs shown on the very same station he works for anyway am going to call them tomorrow and blast them on the phone again urge all atlanta hockey fans to call wsb and ask them not to do the same thing for the next weeks pravin ratnam oh by the way pens rule picture if you will the habs going into the last couple minutes of the game leading the nords get power play pull hextall and get goal bout minute later they get another one then they win in overtime bad dream how that red hot chili peppers song go give it away give it away give it away now oh well suppose can always watch the leafs win tomorrow night smilies am the only female hockey fan in the world susan carroll clark utoronto ca aargh paul stewart is the worst and most biased ref presently in the nhl he called total of penalties on the habs and one on the nordiques the nords penalty came in stewart being an ex nordique himself was looking to call penalties on the habs while letting the nords get away with murder we was robbed it was an excellent game with plenty of end to end rushes and tremendous goalkeeping the nords tied it with over minute to go while lebeau was serving penalty don mind stewart calling penalty in the last min of the game but at least be fair about it the nords were caught with their hand in the cookie jar more than once stewart turned the other cheek bastard patrick roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal he was shaky and on his knees for the rest of the night the winning goal shouldn have gone in don get me wrong not blaming the loss on stewart the habs had plenty of chances to capitalize muller leclair haller etc but failed to put the puck in the net that what did them in but mr stewart didn help matters at all oh well at least the bruins lost in also ha ha ooo ooo the czar of mainframe computing mcgill ca mcgill university too sexy for cobol habs will beat the nords in let go expos hickory dickory doc she took good look at your cock it really scary all rinkled and hairy it smells like year old sock andrew dice clay disclaimer needless to say that the opinions expressed by the czar represent those of the faculty staff and students of mcgill university in article acc admin stolaf edu mad dog reports fine year history came to close tonight as the minnesota north stars or norm stars whichever you prefer lost to the red wings by score of the stars goals were scored by mike mcphee and ulf dahlen who netted two including the final one in franchise history with less than minute to play are there any further stories to report on the eve of norm farewell from the twin cities in an earlier post it was announced that norm green was given until midnight of the last home game of the north stars to cleanup his belongings and turn in the keys to the arena did this happen was norm run out of town rumor has it that while he was attempting to remove the score board the score board fell to the ice and flattened mr greedy to large piece of green paper arena management had to use the zamboni which they confiscated from norm truck to clean up the useless remains mike can understand how someone in the sports dept can even recognise the name of playoffs shown on the very same station he works for you think that bad one year we had all three new york teams in the playoffs and the cableco operator scny once shared channel with bet but someone forgot to throw the switch at didn know what was talking about while it nice that the nhl is back on american network tv it faces the same problems as it did with the all star game local preemptions and zero promotion okay don watch that much tv so just foaming all right the league should have made sure that it was solid on cable before going to the networks in year one of the new espn contract the saturation coverage of sca all other games shown to completion like the quebec montreal and sabres bruins overtimes is missed around here gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley as the subject suggests the flames were not impressive this afternoon dropping decision to the la kings most of the flames neglected to show up especially in their own zone as the kings hit at least five posts the flames best line was probably skrudland paslawski berube which tells how bad the flames were gary suter scored great goal in fact all three flame goals were scored by men yawney and dahlquist getting the others but also made some bonehead plays for the kings pat conacher was especially impressive the games was very chippy as dan mirouelli lost control early and never recovered it there were high sticks cross checks punches hits from behind fleury got game misconduct for rubbing out warren rychel from behind flames dominated the game physically but failed to take advantage due to horrendous defensive lapses don think vernon can be blamed for any of the goals calgary went with men as roger johansson played lw he looked lost imho hope king inserts chris lindbergh paul kruse or sergei makarov for wednesday game gretzky left the game in the period with charley horse no idea how serious he didn return still think the flames should win this series but they better buckle down vlad the impaler well have compiled some statistics on the entries of my pool there are unofficially entrants here are the stats on what teams were picked to win it all pittsburgh sweep in in in boston in in detroit in in montreal in in toronto in in no this wasn roger calgary in quebec in vancouver in washington in why the hell hasn anybody picked chicago nobody quebec got pick detroit got but absolutely no chicago how odd here are the losers detroit chicago so there they are pittsburgh vancouver boston calgary los angeles what toronto los angeles are you out of your mind good luck to you you ll need it so pittsburgh is the consensus winner of the stanley cup they ll statistically beat detroit in games haha that happening not as said every one of my picks will come true and picked chicago to lose to pittsburgh in the finals so tough luck to all you who picket detroit well tough luck to all of ya am genius keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs cow is not vegetarian dish keith keller this game would have been great as part of double header on abc or espn the league would have been able to push back to back wins by le magnifique and the great one unfortunately the only network that would have done that was sca seen in few areas and hard to justify as pay channel gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley centers mark messier rangers messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries while the press made an issue of it and attempted to link it to the rangers internal political woes mike keenan repeated that to messier personally during the msg press conference it makes sense messier would probably have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity actually messier was invited but declined due to nagging injuries keenan and messier have always gotten along keenan dumped steve yzerman from the last canada cup team even though yzerman had endured the training camp when messier who had missed essentially the entire camp recovering from injuries became available at the last moment gerald hear daigle will eb the first pick next year what is the word on kariya anybody ever seen him play on tv is he also entering the draft people are seeming to be less concerned about kariya size as he leads teams to championships world junior and us college and collects awards everyone is watching with interest as to how he will perform on left wing with eric lindros and mark recchi at the world championships months of go chances were not very good that he would go in the top five now it has become probable great world championship could put him in the top with daigle and pronger gerald in detroit the octopus is symbol from the old days of the league in the era of the original four teams made the playoffs to win the cup team had to win two seven game series in other words it took playoff wins to win the cup the octopus legs has become common detroit symbol every year around playoff time people start sneaking octopus octopi into the joe louis arena and throwing them onto the ice old mail cc nd edu here is summary of don cherry coach corner from april it took place in the first intermission of game of the montreal quebec series pre game comments don pregame comments were mostly aimed at the goalies the goalie who gets back his all star form roy or hextall can win the series for his team eposode summary this episode took place rinkside don was holding hot dog that he bought from the concession stand ron maclean started out by showing cartoon which appeared in the toronto sun it featured picture of don who just saw his shadow and proclaimed will you look at dat eh means another weeks of me beauty next don talked about the hot dog he was holding according to him the hot dogs at the quebec stadium are the best food in all the arenas in the nhl had great flow because referee paul stewart calls the best game in the nhl in contrast the calgary la game was terrible all stop and go over minutes of penalties called against calgary by dan marouelli its getting so that the ref who calls the most penalties gets to ref in the finals next ron showed an old picture of don when he was playing for the rochester americans of the ahl don recalled some of the wins that he had in the quebec arena during the memorial cup and the ahl championships finally don and ron discussed keenan becoming coach of the rangers the rangers were talented team who underachieved don feels sorry for temporary coach ron smith who had several key injuries to leetch and patrick and goalies who went cold don had some criticism for the rangers team the party over adolf keenan is there the rangers organization will no longer be country club ny should be achamed of themselves if they go in the tank with adolf there they ll be hanging from the yardarm by their thumbs rating nothing too special in this episode ll give it out of allan sullivan ualberta ca department of computing science university of alberta edmonton alberta canada my opinions are mine and mine alone it is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit of golden bears hockey motto drake as the subject suggests the flames were not impressive this afternoon dropping decision to the la kings most of the flames neglected to show up especially in their own zone as the kings hit at least five posts the flames best line was probably mike vernon is now wins losses plus that all star game debacle in afternoon games during his career with another afternoon game with los angeles next sunday has the abc deal doomed the flames gerald goodbye minnesota you never earned the right to have an nhl franchise in the first place hope you enjoy your twin city wide mania for high school hockey hey by the way my old pee wee team is having reunion in regina care to come up and film the event yee haa golden gophers whatta weird town what with you stupid dorks from the western business school first there was that cary asshole and now you don you have anything better to do instead of being obnoxious antagonistic little shits over the network why don you just take hike and stop embarrasing yourself your school and canada kea was the abc coverage of the kings flames game supposed to be the way it was shown in bc with cbc overriding the abc coverage when flipped to abc it was the same commentators same commercials even my question is was this the real abc coverage or did cbc just black out the abc coverage for its own here in nanaimo on vancouver island for you furriners out there we got the abc coverage on komo it probably depends on your cable company started off switching between the cbc and abc broadcasts but finally settled on abc can stand don whitman and al michaels was doing decent job he followed the play pretty well knew all the players names and only made couple of rookie mistakes that noticed one thing that surprised me is that they never once attempted to explain the offside rule am paranoid or is this really happening department there were no fights in the game but there were couple of occasions where it looked like fight was about to start both times abc cut away to show closeup of coach or mcnall or something has abc decided to adopt the spicer policy lorne epp bc ca the hawks win jermey roenick scored his th goal and the hawks put the leafs in their place the losers column if the leafs can not even beat the hawks in match that had little or no meaning will hate to see them against the wings oh btw laugh at rm that jerky go hawks jb but gotta tell ya if the hawks can beat the blues in game that is significant can wait to see how the blues might do against toronto btw if you think that the hawks deserved to win that game think you were not watching the same one everyone else was roar in leaf fan alfred yong jeh yim mathematics actuarial science university of waterloo canada mail waterloo edu also think that they will have hard time with pittsburgh if they face them in the finals which is what all the detroit sportswriters are predicting although think bryan murray is probably the best gm have ever seen in hockey how do you figure that when bryan murray took over the wings they were pretty good team that was contending for the stanley cup but looked unlikely to win it now they are pretty good team that is contending for the stanley cup but looks unlikely to win it truly great gm would have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon of the nhl and maybe win the stanley cup good gm like murray can maintain the team success but can push them to the next level in the history of hockey there have been several better gm than murray way too many to name murray isn even the best gm in the league today he fails in comparison to sinden sather savard caron fletcher and quinn in my estimation can imagine how bryan murray can be the best gm anyone has ever seen in hockey unless they have seen very few gm gregmeister it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs classy move by espn not in indiana they showed tape delay of chicago boston because wgn had the rainout of the cubs so wgn showed reruns of hitchcock no hockey at least in this part of the state go aeros ian neath there are four kinds of people in this world purdue edu cretins fools morons and lunatics eco deg has many german born forwards in the team in fact the majority of players are german born deg had average in spectator arena interesting one of our german friends here robert told me their forwards were all canadian germans perhaps somebody can sort this out for us my possible nhl european league site list switzerland berne zurich lugano and others ok this ain north america and so on but still doubt that any city having pop of and below could support an nhl team of course switzerland probably should be judged as one large city because of small distances between cities but still germany dusseldorf cologne berlin munich mannheim rosenheim dusseldorf yes although the arena is an anachronism an open wall behind one of the goals essentially an outdoor arena cologne arena only seats about berlin is about and no new facility will be built unless their olympic bid is successful munich does have an arena sweden stockholm gothenburg malmo gavle malmo is big enough but they also need new arena the current one has seats think finland helsinki turku tampere if we re talking about the nhl even helsinki would struggle to make it work turku despite an excellent arena and tampere are nowhere near big enough for major league hockey italy milan rome and the south are out of the question this could as well be africa to hockey fans romans were given the chance to host some wc games but showed no interest whatsoever all teams in the italian league come from milan and the smaller cities in the north france paris chamonix ruoen paris had their own volans francais sp pro team couple of years ago believe they even made it to the european club championship finals tournament one year but eventually folded due to lower than hoped for attendances the remaining cities seem to be too small to support minor sport like hockey norway oslo austria vienna villach chech prag slovakia bratislava russia moscow st petersburg the easter cities lack the money and infrastructure to support pro hockey great britain perhaps most european teams will have to be like the tampa bay lightning anyway playing in small seat arena backed by japanese money run by enthusiasts phil esposito heavy marketing fans that have difficulty telling what icing means london has been mentioned sheffield and birmingham also have large arenas and new mega facility seats might be built in bristol in couple of years netherlands no facilities to speak of their biggest arena in eindhoven seats fans for hockey petteri kortelainen marcu roger maynard shares his views with the masses on bob gainey and life in general in uvic ca uvic ca the selke candidate forwards main purpose on shift is to prevent goals from being scored not to score them when lemieux or gilmour play their number one purpose is to score defence is secondary especially considering the line that plays against them is probably defensive one that is why they are not selke candidates gainey is the best defensive forward ever stand by that assessment he was very good player who belongs in the hall of fame did you ever watch him play he never made technical error watched him over his entire career have never seen player and that includes russell courtnall and davie keon screw up as many breakaways as bob gainey and will never forget the time denis potvin caught gainey with his head down you have been sold bill of goods on bob gainey it was bryan trottier not denis potvin it was vicious boarding from behind trottier was given major but roger what the hell does this have to do with gainey skill as hockey player if probert smashes gilmour head into the boards next week will that diminish your assessment of gilmour skills gainey was plugger and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on would take fuhr and sanderson off of the latter think gainey would be honoured to know that you ve included him on this list also think you have relatively naive view about what wins hockey game pluggers are an integral part of any team the selke is designed to acknowledge their contribution think that most people understand that it not the nobel prize so settle down cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca congenially as always jd james david business uwo ca business uwo ca james david western business school london ontario news reports in toronto say that the rangers are insisting that kovalev zubov and andersson play for binghampton in the calder cup playoffs rather than return to play for their home countries in the world championships shame on the rangers another black eye for the nhl in europe gerald here are my predictions try not to laugh hysterically somebody save this so can laugh when win my own pool don have prizes but we all love bragging rights so winner takes them also if somebody has some sort of scoring system let me know was thinking for round victories for second for for but we may get alot of ties any ideas buffalo montreal pittsburgh washington chicago toronto winnipeg los angeles montreal pittsburgh chicago winnipeg montreal chicago montreal richard madison uwaterloo ca daryl turner umanitoba ca wrote atlantic division st john maple leafs vs moncton hawks moncton hawks see cd islanders moncton is very similar team to cdi low scoring defensive good goaltending john leblanc and stu barnes are the only noticable guns on the team but the defense is top notch and mike neill is the most underrated goalie in the league bri as have tried to tell you since february michael neill might be the most underrated goalie in the ahl but he isn in the ahl he on the winnipeg jets injury list as he has been since his first nhl start against the ottawa senators he out until next year after surgery to repair shoulder separation stu barnes might be an ahl gun for the hawks but he now the third line center with the jets and has been since mid january or so sorry my memory is gone thought that neill got sent back down in february but must have been given incorrect info guess this says it all about moncton because barnes is still one of their top or so scorers even though he been out since january bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockey go usa hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu congrats to the boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions well since you mentioned it lemieux is clearly the mvp no question here chip in the masterson as well selanne wins the calder yep chelios the norris if you asked me days ago agree with you now give the nod to raymond bourque his play took off the same time the did chelios gets close second dunno who wins the vezina but suspect not potvin barrasso finally gets his due in close one over eddie the eagle coach of the year is tricky burns did the most with the least raw talent king did good job but the flames clearly underachieved last year brian sutter has done exceptionally well in his first year with new team ditto demers page has been blessed by the ripening and acquisition of young talent darryl sutter is having good year for rookie coach berry made the best of bad situation terry crisp worked minor miracles and bowman was bowman pick burns but mildly biased in your case that bias is acceptable mine shows with the norris pick so we re even impressed with what all the coaches you mentioned did but my pick would be al arbour not too many folks thought the isles would be in the playoffs let alone contend for in their division granted that they did have little help from their cousins on broadway and like the islanders about as much as like mowing my lawn mike godfrey david kehrer cci com northern telecom nas rochester new york it nothing for me to eat six or seven pieces of pizza then go out to dinner with my wife and not remember had the pizza jacques demers vielen dank desperate fan ps sweden vs finland finished in gothenburg apr has anyone heard what game espn is showing tonight they said they will show whatever game means the most playoff wise would assume this would be the blues tampa game or the minnesota red wings game anyone heard for sure jeff swartz well was little off in those predictions one didn count on the devils scoring goals tonight in tie hence there goes the streak secondly didn count on the islanders getting just point out of against the whalers in two games so no more isles capitals new predicitons penguins vs islanders penguins in or capitals vs devils devils in why should we pay your predictions any heed considering you couldn even predict the proper matchups maybe you should try forecasting the weather instead frank salvatore ncsu edu it was bryan trottier not denis potvin it was vicious boarding from behind trottier was given major perhaps it was trottier it happened behind the habs goal if recall gainey simply didn have his head up as he was picking up the puck but roger what the hell does this have to do with gainey skill as hockey player if probert smashes gilmour head into the boards next week will that diminish your assessment of gilmour skills if gilmour was taken completely by surprise as gainey was then yeah would have to say that doug wasn playing technically smart hockey in any case to claim as greg did that gainey never made technical mistake is absolutely ludicrous gainey was plugger and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on would take fuhr and sanderson off of the latter good for you you only be displaying your ignorance of course but to each his own think gainey would be honoured to know that you ve included him think gainey should feel honoured to know that he is remembered at all on this list also think you have relatively naive view about what wins hockey game pluggers are an integral part of certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team and that is simply because there are not enough solid two way players to go around who would you rather have as your checking centre doug gilmour or doug jarvis for that matter would take either gretzky or mario as my checking centres do you think gretzky could cover bob gainey any team the selke is designed to acknowledge their contribution think that most people understand that it not the nobel prize so settle down you re wrong again the selke is awarded to the forward that does the best job defensively and this may or may not be the best plugger if gilmour does the best defensive job in the league don see why he should be out of the running simply because he also contributes offen sively settle down if you think that have likened the selke to the nobel prize then suggest that you had best settle down and if you are going to try to put words in my mouth let me suggest that you settle down before you bother following up on my postings congenially as always jd james david business uwo ca you might consider developing your own style after all imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and am quite sure that flattery is not your intention cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca everyone keeps talking about european expansion by thinking wishful thoughts but being totally off the ball the league format we use here is incompatible with that in europe for those that don know the best teams from lower divisions get promoted and the worst get demoted would european fans put up with our if you ve paid you can play attitude how long would they support teams that are run on ranger based corporate thinking use the term lightly we don need good product because these duffuses in nyc would fill the arena for ottawa record every year haha sorry had ta say it if hockey and other pro sports had similar system to europe maybe teams like the rangers would be forced to compete or get demoted the fourth division we have many more teams centres that aren as big like halifax or adirondack ok so halifax isn good example would eventually get promoted and every team would be somewhat competetive within its own division unlike ottawa sj edmonton etc fans would eventually get rewarded for their loyalty or penalized for their neglect and the league would be more interesting and dynamic every year because of the influx of newly promoted teams and the halifax citadels win the stanley cup can dream can look at british or any european soccer as an example they never have fan problems just someone who thinks our system really sucks barfly feel free to flame me my account ends today hahahaha carol alt head coach in wish she can be my head coach any time sorry ali back to real hockey hmmmmmm think ll let everyone make there own comment on this one the bad alexei kovalev what did the rangers think when they signed him did they think he was another domi just let him play and not on line better that he stays in the minors and gets ice time all the time whose bad it has been neilson and smith decision to play him there if that what you mean then that bad but kovalev himself is very good player you re right if he weren stranded on the fourth line maybe he produce sound familiar darren turcotte neilson and smith are bad kovalev is magical lets go pens the owl which german satellite channels will show the world championship action from dusseldorf munich someone please tell me must be able to root for the red machine thank you russians for the world title nordiques for the cup so roussel was giving up almost another goal game while facing proportional number of shots for the number of minutes he played and while have actually checked believe that he faced lower quality of opponent make that less than half goal game the lower quality of opponet argument is immaterial as neither roussel nor soderstrom had any say in the matter that was dineen decision so in other words if roussel shuts out the sharks and soderstrom shuts out the penguins that immaterial because it was the coaches decision come on joe think about what you re saying who they played is very significant why they played them is what irrelevent low gaa against good teams is better than low gaa against bad teams in the context of comparing two goaltenders low gaa is better then higher gaa low gaa against good teams is much much better than higher gaa against bad teams in the context of comparing two goaltenders the fact of the matter is that despite last nights shutout he doesn have what it takes last night was due to an inept ranger team much more than roussel skill on and they don get shot away on none and one guy just passes and stops the other guy shoots into roussel pad mon pete so the rangers were inept shutout is shutout during both of soderstrom masterpieces against toronto mike emerich was quoted as saying he didn think the leafs had much offensive firepower past their first line does that make soderstrom shutouts less impressive because of toronto lack of offense yes it does absolutely in the context of comparing two goaltenders of course at the end of the season points is points no matter how you get them and on the score sheets shutouts are shutouts but if you re coach deciding between two goalies or gm looking to make trade you have got to look deeper than the stat sheets didn see the second toronto game but the first one was defensive masterpiece there was nothing in that game to judge tommy soderstrom on because he wasn tested the same for roussel in the ranger game two real scoring chances one he made great play the other he was saved by mistake from the other player if you were judging roussel on that game alone you have very little to go by but if you were to look at the tie against the habs you saw goalie stand on his head to get that shutout that was goalie in action roussel doesn have game like that in him well if you look back to november when roussel was the goalie soderstrom was being treated for his heart ailment the flyers finished november at and were overall and there no way of knowing where the flyers would have finished if soderstom wasn wearing the oragne black glad we don have to find out anytime soon either because he is one hell of player would take him over roussel right now but still think dom has what it takes to be the guy he outperformed hextall enough during the season to make flyers management think that way too don be so sure of that flyers management never says bad thing about roussel but they don say too much on the good side either ve seen at least two interviews where every time farwell was asked how happy he was to have two good goaltenders it was tommy this tommy that and oh yeah dom has played well too by the way what was the final card on monday night team picture by any chance flyers in the nhl hall of fame kinda dull really they handed out team picture to everybody who walked in from pizza hut but it was the same picture they sold in the programs in mid season had names like benning kasper and how did the flyers choose the fans who received the shirts off our backs winning recchi jersey after breaking the club single season point record would have been nice but knowing your luck you would have won roussel mostly random seat locations some were given out by having certain autographs on the team photos don like that method since ve seen guards help out people get things like lindros pictures surely if they got their hands on an autographed picture they hold em for their buddies pete clark starting an informal poll on goalie masks like to know who mask you think looks the best ve always like curtis joseph of the blues the best anyway send your nominations to me or post your vote here on my mail adress is gatech edu thanks for your time saw mask once that had drawings of band aids presumably for every puck that goalie stopped with his face head can remember who it was or even if it was nhl see quite few ahl games here this is by far the funniest mask ve seen and for me funny cool go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu barfly certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team and that is simply because there are not enough solid two way players to go around who would you rather have as your checking centre doug gilmour or doug jarvis for that matter would take either gretzky or mario as my checking centres do you think gretzky could cover bob gainey gretzky lemieux gilmour etc do not play the role of checking centreman they play an offensive role as opposed to defensive one if they were used as defensive centres it would be waste of their offensive abilities when you compare gretzky et al to jarvis gainey etc you are comparing apples and oranges it is like me telling you that felix potvin isn very good because team would be better if the had lemieux instead of him sure lemieux is better player but he is different type of player for team to be successful they need to have all types of players this includes defensive forwards when compared with other defensive forwards bob gainey is the greatest defensive forward ever he is the player who talents best suited being defensive forward who completely dominated the game when he played maybe if more talented player such as gretzky had decided to waste his offensive talents and play defensively he could have been better defensive forward but he wasn bob gainey is the best defensive forward that has ever played hockey gregmeister anyone who really believes that the caps can beat the pens are kidding themselves the pens may not loose one game in the playoffs geoff filinuk flyers fan well since you mentioned it chelios the norris if you asked me days ago agree with you now give the nod to raymond bourque his play took off the same time the did chelios gets close second how about kevin hatcher scored roughly goals plays minutes game dunno who wins the vezina but suspect not potvin barrasso finally gets his due in close one over eddie the eagle that really sad when two second rate goalies barasso and belfour are the main contenders for the vezina call me crazy but how about tommy soderstrom five shutouts for place team that doesn really play defense it really unfortunate that the better goalies in the league mclean essensa vernon had unspectacular years btw if you are going to award the norris on the basis of the last days why not give the vezina to moog he has been the best goalie over the past month coach of the year is tricky burns did the most with the least raw talent king did good job but the flames clearly underachieved last year brian sutter has done exceptionally well in his first year with new team ditto demers page has been blessed by the ripening and acquisition of young talent darryl sutter is having good year for rookie coach berry made the best of bad situation terry crisp worked minor miracles and bowman was bowman pick burns but mildly biased in your case that bias is acceptable mine shows with the norris pick so we re even impressed with what all the coaches you mentioned did but my pick would be al arbour not too many folks thought the isles would be in the playoffs let alone contend for in their division granted that they did have little help from their cousins on broadway and like the islanders about as much as like mowing my lawn arbour or king burns will probably win since playoffs aren taken into consideration he ok in the regular season but not sure if he beaten anyone other than hartford in the playoffs vlad the impaler in article edu ncsu edu bad news for the patrick division next year caps gm david polie is reportedly trying to get front office job with the nhl can believe polie has not been fired despite years of mediocrity you know what frank it not david poile fault that the caps have mired in mediocrity for so long blame it on the owner abe polin this guy owns both the nba bullets and the nhl capitals how dumb and selfish could this guy be he unwilling to spend the bucks in order to get big star to landover no wonder both teams stink ve heard that the capitals had chance to get detroit steve yzerman last summer but they pulled out at the last minute why because our good man abe is afraid to spend the cash nevertheless still faithful and hoping that one day this devilish dictator will be replaced frank salvatore ncsu edu tuan van does it matter where you buy your underwear tom cruise rain man van archmage what orange black and ugly george mason university and dwells in the basement electrical engineering da philadelphia flyers gmu edu gmu edu let go cap tals the penguins game unbeaten streak carries over to next season meaning if they start the season with another game unbeaten streak they will have eclipsed the flyers record right now the penguins are on an game winning streak as streaks carry over from one year to another hmmmm not sure this is true according to mike lang and good old stagie along with the rest of the tv crews in pittsburgh they winning streak could have stopped because it is regular season mark would think this would also hold with an unbeaten streak for regular season games however you are right that the playoff streak does carry over from last year and with more win believe they tie an edmonton record but don quote me on that one robbie po pgh penguins it won be easy but it contact for the stanley cup will have greater rewards penn state lady lions champions mountains and valleys are psu edu straight wins better than nothing at all well the tentative rules anyway and of course since the season is not entirely over tentative entry form but who cares the real hockey season is starting here the deal you email preferably or post your predictions and the number of games you think each series will go each round will be weighted so that the stanley cup finals will be very important but the early rounds will still be important here is the scoring pick round winner way off on games points pick round winner within one game points pick round winner pick of games points pick round winner way off on games points pick round winner within one game points pick round winner pick of games points pick conference champ way off on games points pick conference champ within one game points pick conference champ pick of games points pick stanley cup champ way off on games points pick stanley cup champ within one game points pick stanley cup champ pick of games points pick loser in series goes points pick loser in series decided in game ot points these last two are sympathy points probably won happen anyway obviously picking the stanley cup champion is important will do some tests to see if the format is fair but probably will be too lazy to modify it so the scoring will probably be like this as for entry forms well this post is getting too long so see next post keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you okay here the entry sheet keep in mind that not all spots are decided so it may change series your pick games division semis ny islanders pittsburgh new jersey washington buffalo boston montreal quebec st louis chicago toronto detroit winnipeg vancouver los angeles calgary division finals patrick adams norris smythe conference finals wales campbell stanley cup winner see previous post for scoring good luck keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you the ottwawa senators fired mel bridgman at pm today randy sexton is gonna replace him stephane lacelle engineer insert sig here gandalf data ltd personally prefer buffalo boston as birthday gift from espn but don think the folks at espn will accomodate that for me espn has this inexplicable affinity for the patrick division it seems first happy birthday val second espn affinity with patrick has probably more to do with the travel production costs for once week nhn national hockey night affair espn abc owner capital cities is company known for being quite thrifty with minimal overhead costs it quite possible that jim schoenfeld may be working for doughnuts gary thorne and bill clement are both nj based and the rest of espn crew resides in the suburban ct with very close proximity to tri state area plus it makes sense in terms of solid hockey following in the northeast corridor pa ny nj dc maryland whereas in the adams you have only american based teams out of which buffalo and hartford are not in top us tv markets ppv mark here is review of some of the off ice things that have affected the ahl this year st john maple leafs problems the st john maple leafs sophomore season has been plagued by problems on ice the leafs won the atlantic division title but off ice was less happy strike by public workers has forced the leafs out of the newfoundland city for much of the last half of the seaosn since mid jan they have played home games in places like montreal cornwall and charlottetown their playoff home games will be played in the metro center in halifax ns one demostration got violent workers attacked leafs bus and rocked it and broke windows in the st john memorial stadium despite the problems toronto officials insist that the leafs will return to st john once the strike ends senators sold the new haven senators have been sold by peter shipman to the ottawa senators nhl organization they are the only canadian nhl team with an american ahl affiliate and have made it clear they intend to move the team to somewhere in the canadian atlantic provinces this sale and move has yet to be approved by the ahl head office but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting in may the quote in the story from jack butterfield made it clear the league was more interested in the stability of the ahl franchise accompanied by nhl ownership rather than maintaining the year history of the ahl in new haven the senators are currently in serious negotiations with charlottetown new brunswick and are expected to move there dallas helps hawks stay in moncton after announcing that they would pull their affiliation out of moncton the winnipeg jets changed their mind the jets announced the move when they said that they would be slashing their minor league roster from something to around dozen and they wanted to share with an existing ahl or ihl franchise enter the dallas lone stars dallas agreed to supply the remaining or players to the moncton franchise thus keeping the hawks in the new brunswick city the deal is for one year and will be extended to three years if the season ticket base increases to over the hawks only sold for this year saint john flames official the calgary flames have officially signed deal with the city of saint john nb the saint john blue flames will play in the exhibition center the flames still have to apply for an expansion frnachise from the ahl but are expected to have no trouble caps follow jacks to maine despite rumors to the contrary the capitals will follow the baltimore skipjacks to maine the caps current farm team the baltimore skipjacks announced that they would move to maine and become the portland pirates there was much doubt as to if the caps would follow but they announced limited deal with portland they would supply dozen or so players including goalies they become the third team to announce limited farm team along with moncton and the capital district islanders ahl game of the week in early january the ahl started game of the week the game produced by believe pyman productions was televised across the canadian maritimes and northeastern us the first few weeks saw two games of the week one in canada and another in the us but since then there has been only one sunday afternoon and night games were covered and shown on sportschannel ny and ne in the us and believe atlantic sports network in canada but not sure about that am not sure if playoff games will be covered utica gone syracuse added there were heavy rumors that the utica devils will not be around next season there were rumors that they might be headed to midwestern city and that the city of syracuse is trying to lure them what the ahl might look like next year one option another option northern division southern division adirondack red wings adirondack springfield indians springfield providence bruins providence cd islanders cdi portland pirates hershey binghamton southern division rochester hershey bears hamilton binghamton rangers utica rochester americans hamilton canucks atlantic division utica devils portland st john atlantic division saint john st john maple leafs moncton moncton hawks halifax halifax citadels fredericton cape breton oilers cape breton fredericton canadiens charlottetown saint john blue flames charlottetown senators move is unofficial as yet bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockey go usa hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champ glens falls high school division ii ny state champs join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu congrats to clarkson golden knights hockey ecac champions dallas helps hawks stay in moncton after announcing that they would pull their affiliation out of moncton the winnipeg jets changed their mind the jets announced the move when they said that they would be slashing their minor league roster from something to around dozen and they wanted to share with an existing ahl or ihl franchise enter the dallas lone stars dallas agreed to supply the remaining or players to the moncton franchise thus keeping the hawks in the new brunswick city the deal is for one year and will be extended to three years if the season ticket base increases to over the hawks only sold for this year saint john flames official the calgary flames have officially signed deal with the city of saint john nb the saint john blue flames will play in the exhibition center the flames still have to apply for an expansion frnachise from the ahl but are expected to have no trouble caps follow jacks to maine despite rumors to the contrary the capitals will follow the baltimore skipjacks to maine the caps current farm team the baltimore skipjacks announced that they would move to maine and become the portland pirates there was much doubt as to if the caps would follow but they announced limited deal with portland they would supply dozen or so players including goalies they become the third team to announce limited farm team along with moncton and the capital district islanders bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockey go usa hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu congrats to the boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions post of newsgroups rec sport hockey organization dept of computer science laurentian university sudbury on date thu apr gmt in business uwo ca it was bryan trottier not denis potvin it was vicious boarding from behind trottier was given major perhaps it was trottier it happened behind the habs goal if recall gainey simply didn have his head up as he was picking up the puck but roger what the hell does this have to do with gainey skill as hockey player if probert smashes gilmour head into the boards next week will that diminish your assessment of gilmour skills if gilmour was taken completely by surprise as gainey was then yeah would have to say that doug wasn playing technically smart hockey in any case to claim as greg did that gainey never made technical mistake is absolutely ludicrous later on in your posting you make reference to putting words into other people mouths would suggest that your last paragraph can only be interpreted in one way namely that along with greg claim that gainey never made technical mistake if you actually read what ve written you will find that make no such claim soooo if logic serves me well you re contradicting yourself gainey was plugger and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on would take fuhr and sanderson off of the latter good for you you only be displaying your ignorance of course but to each his own roger not sure here but think ignorance is really function of lack of knowledge and not formulating an opinion but hey if you need to take cheap shot then by all means go ahead that if it makes you feel better think gainey would be honoured to know that you ve included him think gainey should feel honoured to know that he is remembered at all my word such vehemence against poor ol bob gainey why does he bother you so much he was an effective player for his style of play on this list also think you have relatively naive view about what wins hockey game pluggers are an integral part of certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team and that is simply because there are not enough solid two way players to go around who would you rather have as your checking centre doug gilmour or doug jarvis for that matter would take either gretzky or mario as my checking centres do you think gretzky could cover bob gainey really sorry roger but you have lost me completely here why don you ask me if would rather have jesus christ himself in nets now if you were to compare say for example bob gainey with guy carbonneau you would have balanced comparison any team the selke is designed to acknowledge their contribution think that most people understand that it not the nobel prize so settle down you re wrong again the selke is awarded to the forward that does the best job defensively and this may or may not be the best plugger if gilmour does the best defensive job in the league don see why he should be out of the running simply because he also contributes offen sively wrong again hmmm let see where was wrong in the first place only guessing here rog but have feeling that you ve setup you re wrong again macro key on your machine agree that my use of the word plugger is simplistic but think you know what getting at would also like to point out that gilmour potential as selke winner was never part of the debate are you asking me for an opinion if so think there are far too many other deserving players to include gilmour among the candidates settle down if you think that have likened the selke to the nobel prize then suggest that you had best settle down and if you are going to try to put words in my mouth let me suggest that you settle down before you bother following up on my postings would suggest that your comment and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on demonstrates blanket disregard for these individuals as contributors to the game so yes settle down nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods congenially as always jd james david business uwo ca you might consider developing your own style after all imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and am quite sure that flattery is not your intention mon it has nice ring to it and admit it you had good laugh congenially as always jd james david business uwo ca business uwo ca james david western business school london ontario it only test message live in the desolate midwest as far as hockey is concerned and our sports stores around here carry very little hockey stuff except for san jose tampa bay pittsburgh and if you re lucky chicago would like to know if anyone knows of any ail order phone order stores that might be able to get in contact with am dying for some real hockey stuff hats shirts key chains etc for some other teams edmonton montreal etc so if you have any information please mail me directly most appreciated good luck to your teams in the stanley cup playoffs go edmonton likely not maybe next year if you assult someone you get years in hockey minutes is this great sport or what kevin frank acs ohio state edu well here it goes my crazy predictions which never come true but hey adams bos vs buf bos in cakewalk for the hot bruins que vs mon que in best series of the first round patrick pit vs nyi pit in nyi wins fourth game was vs njd njd in grueling upset possibly ot in game norris chi vs stl chi in stl is no match for keenan krew det vs tor tor in clark steps it up in playoffs this year smythe who cares van vs win win in so caught up in teemu mania sue me cal vs lak cal in la sucks imo division finals bos vs que bos in killer games watch for cam to shine pit vs njd pit in njd go insane kill all on ice but pit wins chi vs tor tor in tor defense finally get it together cal vs win cal in win too tired after series conference finals pit vs bos bos in pit too beat up by njd to play hope cal vs tor tor in vernon turns into sieve stanley cup bos vs tor tor in two totally different teams who knows dreams can come true pig might one day evolve wings feel free to laugh at my predictions always do barfly if gilmour was taken completely by surprise as gainey was then yeah would have to say that doug wasn playing technically smart hockey in any case to claim as greg did that gainey never made technical mistake is absolutely ludicrous later on in your posting you make reference to putting words into other people mouths would suggest that your last paragraph can only be interpreted in one way namely that along with greg claim that gainey never made technical mistake if you actually read what ve written you will find that make no such claim soooo if logic serves me well you re contradicting yourself nonsense quite clearly state that it was greg that made the claim that gainey never made an error and he made the claim read below message id uvic ca nonsense deleted gainey is the best defensive forward ever stand by that assessment he was very good player who belongs in the hall of fame did you ever watch him play he never made technical error more nonsense deleted good for you you only be displaying your ignorance of course but to each his own roger not sure here but think ignorance is really function of lack of knowledge and not formulating an opinion but hey if you need to take cheap shot then by all means go ahead that if it makes you feel better to knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious your hockey education is not my responsibility my word such vehemence against poor ol bob gainey why does he bother you so much he was an effective player for his style of play he was just another player to laud him as anything more find bothersome hated the habs hated lafleur until realized that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to ever skate in my lifetime why would anyone talk about gainey go around who would you rather have as your checking centre doug gilmour or doug jarvis for that matter would take either gretzky or mario as my checking centres do you think gretzky could cover bob gainey really sorry roger but you have lost me completely here why don you ask me if would rather have jesus christ himself in nets did he play hockey at high level was he any good if not why would you bother to bring jc up am talking about hockey players here if you can follow the conversation don follow up as said previously it is not my responsibility to educate you now if you were to compare say for example bob gainey with guy carbonneau you would have balanced comparison sure two journeymen big deal neither one of them is worth discussing wrong again hmmm let see where was wrong in the would take fuhr and sanderson off of the latter first place only guessing here rog but have feeling that you ve setup you re wrong again macro key on your machine that is an excellent idea and if decide to waste any more time responding to any of your or greg postings then will be sure to implement that very macro would suggest that your comment and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on demonstrates blanket disregard for these individuals as contributors to the game so yes settle down nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods tarasov claimed that gainey was hockey god and greg ate it up and that is what this thread is all about if you didn know that then why are you responding and as for blanket disregard for these individuals can remember leaf teams purely populated by such individuals winning four stanley cups teams no one ran around telling us that george armstrong was the best hockey player in the world congenially as always jd james david business uwo ca you might consider developing your own style after all imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and am quite sure that flattery is not your intention mon it has nice ring to it and admit it you had good laugh right had to get to the end of your posting before realized you were complete joke in the future if you are going to respond to my postings would appreciate it if you could present cogent argument supported by facts gleaned from version of reality that most of the rest of us would recognize cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca cmu edu nntp posting host andrew cmu edu in reply to cmu edu from anna matyas now if we could just clone chelios personality and transplant it into all of the defensemen on the islanders capitals and devils gerald in other words you want to turn them all into assholes so they will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of misconducts and this comes from chelios fan yeah and also be second in the team in scoring and play about minutes game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the best defenseman in the league take whole team of chelioses if could that way when one got penalty the others could kill it ralph how to beat pittsburgh mario lemieux death too much kimo slash to skull ask the rangers slashing his wrist ii jaromir jagr deportation send him back to whatever commie country he from tell him that bill clinton is going too iii kevin stevens fighting call bob probert call tie domi call my grandmother she kick his ass pete raymond emailed me this piece of info not sure if game was intentionally or unintentionally omitted ie date not set bri begin quoted material because of the moncton win friday night halifax was eliminated thus st john will make halifax home the first round of play offs wil take place on these dates april halifax metro center leafs home game april halifax metro center april moncton april moncton april halifax metro center april moncton this is halifax or at least this halifax resident dream come true the leafs are my favorite nhl team and no don know why say that this is even better than the citadels making the playoffs quebec farm team who cares by the way for any nfld fans sure asn will carry some of the games they be stupid not to but then this is asn haven heard any news about asn carrying any games but the local cable station here in st john cable is carrying the games live hey it better than nothing go leafs go dale why sex is so popular dale fraser cs mun ca is easy to see memorial university of newfoundland it contains no sodium cs undergrad class of and it cholesterol free shelby friedman blue jays world series champs opinions expressed above do not belong to me or this institution the presence of the new team in miami can say south florida it too long makes me think of an interesting question can you sell the hispanic community on hockey miami is hispanic this community has no experience and no previous exposure to hockey that know of the teams in ny and la which also have big hispanic groups do not seem to try to woo this group what will miami do could they get spanish language tv and radio coverage think as do the owners that hockey will do well in miami since there is lot of people from the northeast that spend their winters in florida every year as for the coverage someone will have to come up with some money for that since broadcast rights can be expensive just my dale why sex is so popular dale fraser cs mun ca is easy to see memorial university of newfoundland it contains no sodium cs undergrad class of and it cholesterol free shelby friedman blue jays world series champs opinions expressed above do not belong to me or this institution has anyone heard what game espn is showing tonight they said they will show whatever game means the most playoff wise would assume this would be the blues tampa game or the minnesota red wings game anyone heard for sure jeff swartz heard it will be the minnesota detroit game don know the time though dave david monack mail uug arizona edu love is the delusion that one woman differs from another mencken well bruins fans it playoff time again it looks like the have peaked at the right time getting out of the adams is going to be cat fight to the end after what they did to montreal and quebec these teams will be out for revenge if neely can stay healthy and both bourque and moog stay sharp we should get to see neely finally take out two years of frustration on ulf don fight samuelson don agree with fighting in the nhl but if there is one guy who deserves to be taken out good it him this is going to be good series go bruins rchard com post of newsgroups rec sport hockey organization dept of computer science laurentian university sudbury on date fri apr gmt discussion deleted good for you you only be displaying your ignorance of course but to each his own roger not sure here but think ignorance is really function of lack of knowledge and not formulating an opinion but hey if you need to take cheap shot then by all means go ahead that if it makes you feel better to knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious your hockey education is not my responsibility my hockey education what the are you talking about not even going to try to refute this absolutely insane statement my word such vehemence against poor ol bob gainey why does he bother you so much he was an effective player for his style of play he was just another player to laud him as anything more find bothersome hated the habs hated lafleur until realized that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to ever skate in my lifetime why would anyone talk about gainey hate the habs you sound like year old this statement is just further exemplifies your total inability to argue objectively about hockey don give me this crap about cogent arguments ve yet to read something of yours that is cogent you consistently argue with emotion huge sweeping statements frankly you have very unconvincing style not defending bob gainey frankly don care for him all that much but your dismissal of him as something less than an effective hockey player is tiresome it has no basis in anything how many calders did he win think it was four go ahead and refresh my memory what about the conn smythe was that fluke yeah not the makings of hockey superstar know but try to have reason any reason to shoot him down go around who would you rather have as your checking centre doug gilmour or doug jarvis for that matter would take either gretzky or mario as my checking centres do you think gretzky could cover bob gainey really sorry roger but you have lost me completely here why don you ask me if would rather have jesus christ himself in nets did he play hockey at high level was he any good if not why would you bother to bring jc up am talking about hockey players here if you can follow the conversation don follow up as said previously it is not my responsibility to educate you hey cowboy you re the expert who introduced the idiotic comparison of gainey with gretzky and lemieux you figure it out now if you were to compare say for example bob gainey with guy carbonneau you would have balanced comparison sure two journeymen big deal neither one of them is worth discussing how many individual awards between them eight don remember once again please feel free to refresh my memory and try to be as sarcastic as possible about my hockey education wrong again hmmm let see where was wrong in the would take fuhr and sanderson off of the latter oh my god did say that roger what your point fuhr is goaltender goaltender don plug in his prime he was one of the best sanderson was scrapper if you stick him on you may as well include half the flyers team of the same era first place only guessing here rog but have feeling that you ve setup you re wrong again macro key on your machine that is an excellent idea and if decide to waste any more time responding to any of your or greg postings then will be sure to implement that very macro oh roger you shouldn really don deserve this you are far too accomodating already would suggest that your comment and when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring bob nystrom bob gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and so on demonstrates blanket disregard for these individuals as contributors to the game so yes settle down nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods tarasov claimed that gainey was hockey god and greg ate it up and that is what this thread is all about if you didn know that then why are you responding you seem to have allowed all of these other players fall into your sweeping vacuous statement that why if you want to debate gainey go ahead but why bring up everybody else how does it support your argument do you have an argument or do you just like to throw around few names hoping to impress us and as for blanket disregard for these individuals can remember leaf teams purely populated by such individuals winning four stanley cups teams no one ran around telling us that george armstrong was the best hockey player in the world great couldn agree more the flyers won two cups for the same reasons deservedly so so what don get it are you angry that the leafs didn get more recognition you seem to think these pluggers are hyped don agree plain and simple if you re last statement is some sort of compromise fair enough you might consider developing your own style after all imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and am quite sure that flattery is not your intention mon it has nice ring to it and admit it you had good laugh right had to get to the end of your posting before realized you were complete joke not pleasant bone in your body eh rog why are you so unhappy not getting invited to enough parties what in the future if you are going to respond to my postings would appreciate it if you could present cogent argument supported by facts gleaned from version of reality that most of the rest of us would recognize roger why are you under the impression that responding to your posts is some great honour you really should stop it sounds little bit pathetic frankly it about as honourable as good fart congenially as always jd james david business uwo ca business uwo ca james david western business school london ontario patrick rd pens over isles in devils over caps in pens over devils in 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mike burger my canada includes quebec ontario colostate edu the maritimes the prairies and florida beginning computing ta stud four months year over students served royal canadian air farce university of michigan colorado state university what it comes down to is that jagr despite being an arrogant asshole is very good hockey player who has had better season this year than ron francis jagr has more points and better jagr has higher but francis has had more points and take it from an informed observer ronnie francis has had much better season than jaromir jagr this is not to take anything away from jaro who had decent year although it didn live up to the expectations of some gregmeister dean dean falcione badges what badges we using by permission don need no stinkin of the owner joe mcdonald badges round pitt vs nyi pitt in wash vs njd wash in bos vs buf bos in que vs mon mon in have to take quebec in chi vs stl chi in hawks will win but it will take det vs tor det in van vs win win in cal vs la cal in cal in round pitt vs wash pitt in bos vs mon bos in boston will beat quebec in chi vs det chi in win vs cal cal in round pitt vs bos pitt in pitt in the bruins arent pushover chi vs cal chi in the hawks havent had problems with them all year yep agree finals pitt vs chi pitt in unless the hawks can somehow change fate you re right who knows though maybe some intensive forechecking aka normal hawks style will nullify seemingly unbeatable team maybe the pens are due for let down hell how could they possibly extend their record making play all the way through the playoffs walter damien endemyr the unpure knight of doom so ve acquired taste for blood and have adopted nocturnal lifestyle that doesnt mean vampire anyone who really believes that the caps can beat the pens are kidding themselves the pens may not loose one game in the playoffs let be honest the pens may not loose one game as you put it but they will definitely lose one game remember the regular season doesn mean much when it comes to playoff time the caps have shot at least the flyers sure don frank salvatore ncsu edu in article cci com cci com dave kehrer wrote well since you mentioned it lemieux is clearly the mvp no question here chip in the masterson as well lemieux for the masterson no doubt he had an awe inspiring season but what personal records did he set this year lemieux should have hart locked up but how about mike gartner for the masterson my vote goes to john vanbiesbrouck his mask has skyline of new york city and on the sides there are bunch of bees beezer it looks really sharp doesn it also have the statue of liberty on it or is that richter mask the back actually has bee followed by to represent the beezer it also has something that looks like the three interconnecting circles from the led zepplin album cover is that what it is supposed to be and if it is does anybody know why he would put it there ali keith keller let go rangers when want your opinion ll give it to you john the official language of golf is profanity in hockey hell clemson edu john wodziak the real black and gold in memorium alan kulwicki bean will triumph over those who polish yankee mechanical engineer town are pretenders to the crown winston cup champion great person rocks actually swedish coach curt lundmark is thinking about leaving two spots open for additions from eliminated nhlers it is mats sundin and calle johansson that curt hopes can join the team although in late stage of the tournament technically seem to recall that you can leave spots open until hrs before the wc final hmmm also heard through the grapevine that team finland might try and leave spot open for at least one nhler some guy named sel nne ever hear of him they might have to be content with kurri though hope daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder date wed apr gmt selanne leads the jets teppo numminen is who do you think is better defensively ron francis of the penguins is although he has points while jaromir jagr has only points but is is jagr really better on defense than francis and how exactly should we interpret the fact that mario lemieux has by far the highest in the league does he get the selke as well as the ross the plus minus does not measure defense alone it attempts to measure player total contribution to the team effort and certainly it is far from perfect and my posting never implied otherwise all that my posting suggested was that the was better indicator of player effectiveness when examined in the context of that player team performance than mere scoring totals alone and as for mario getting the selke why not after doug gilmour would rather have lemieux on the ice in any situation other than as an enforcer obvi ously than any player in the game used to call the selke the bob gainey award it came about as result of the statement made by anatoli tarasov bob gainey is the best hockey player in the world am sure that tarasov was either misquoted originally or had tiny bit too much vodka and was toying with reporter in any event the nhl decided to honour one dimensional checkers along with one dimen sional scorers maybe the league should start awarding the doug gil mour award anually to the league most effective all round player cordially as always rm roger maynard cs laurentian ca hey what about the roger maynard award for the most annoying fan derrick jewlal laurel st apt waterloo as the sharks season came to close tonight will start series of posts trying to revisit the players the trades the moves etc that went through for the sharks for the past season if you are uninterested since will have the words sharks review in the subject heading in these postings you can kill them will first try to evaluate how the players did these ratings of course are subject to my own biases but hope that can try to be as objective as possible will evalute players who finished the season with the sharks and or did not play for another nhl team this season thus then let go to the goaltenders brian hayward season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade it is sad that his career has to come to this dim an end career that featured sharing three jennings trophies with patrick roy in and it would indeed be unfair for me to do anything but give him passing grade and skip the letter grading but he had simply been awful on ice this year save for bright spot or two and even if he had been healthy he would not be any more than the string goalie but hayward was classy individual who also figured in on the sharks first ever victory the game of the season last year against the calgary flames as he retires the fans will remember what good guy he was jeff hackett season acquired from islanders in expansion draft grade hackett after deservedly winning the team mvp honors last season simply wasted the year other than few good spots saves against los angeles almost shutout against tampa bay etc hackett finishing with save percentage and gaa watched his status go from the team goalie to bench decoration at the end of the season he was expected early to carry the team along instead he apparently became frustrated but the an early injury that forced him to miss games may have been contributing factor but upon return he simply wasn up to the task he may not return next year wade flaherty season still eligible as rookie acquired signed as undrafted free agent grade it is pretty hard to evaluate goaltender on just one game alone thus the incomplete grade but yet in the one start that he did get against the calgary flames flaherty was nothing but sharp for at least two periods he started the season poorly in kansas city but finished strong prompting the blades owner ron parker to comment that he should be candidate for the ihl mvp honors the upcoming ihl playoffs would be major challenge for him as he tries to make it into the nhl last year he was capable backup for arturs irbe in the throughout the season and in the turner cup playoffs picking up all star honors along with irbe now it time for him to show that he can share the job with irbe next year because with prospects dan ryder trevor robins and scott cashman coming along if he doesn make it next year he may not ever arturs irbe season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade may yet be overly critical of irbe in year that he clearly established that he bona fide nhl goaltender perhaps bona fide goaltender he has provided most of the little highlight footage that the sharks team had getting the team first ever shut out against the los angeles kings on december he has been fearless in and out of the net aggressively playing the puck and making passes reminding people of young ron hextall except of course the goonism yet he still needs to develop more consistency which is hard to do with such bad defense in front of him but if the sharks are to challenge for playoff spot next season irbe the key as he demonstrated in being named as star of the game times in starts go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks group group cardiff devils bracknell bees nottingham panthers billingham humberside whitley warriors murrayfield racers fife flyers whitley bay cardiff devils billingham bombers murrayfield humberside bracknell bees nottingham panthers fife flyers cardiff devils humberside murrayfield racers nottingham bracknell bees whitley bay fife flyers billingham bracknell bees cardiff devils billingham bombers nottingham whitley bay humberside fife flyers murrayfield cardiff devils murrayfield racers humberside nottingham panthers whitley bay billingham bombers bracknell bees fife flyers indicates qualified for championship finals relegation promotion relegation promotion basingstoke swindon wildcats sheffield steelers peterborough durham wasps romford raiders slough jets mk kings basingstoke durham wasps sheffield steelers milton keynes swindon romford raiders milton keynes kings peterborough durham wasps swindon wildcats slough jets sheffield romford basingstoke peterborough slough jets romford durham wasps peterborough sheffield swindon basingstoke milton keynes kings slough jets basingstoke sheffield steelers durham wasps peterborough swindon milton keynes kings romford raiders slough jets neil mcglynn bt co uk british telecom laboratories martlesham heath ipswich uk it is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the net who really cares who you think will win please stop with the predictions we all know the caps are going to win the cup so let it go at that david kaupang ncsu edu deg has many german born forwards in the team in fact the majority of players are german born deg had average in spectator arena interesting one of our german friends here robert told me their forwards were all canadian germans perhaps somebody can sort this out for us as far as know dusseldorf has only one canadian german forward player who was born in canada but now has german passport benoit doucet became german by marriing german and he is going to play for germany in the wc the other canada born forwards are peter john lee has british passport chris valentine dale dercatch steve gootas earl spry at the moment there are only three german born forwards coming into my mind bernd trunschka andreas brockmann ernst koepf volker according to the inside information alpo suhonen won be the next headcoach of jokerit it pretty sure that boris majorov will continue although owner of the team previously said that he will chance the coach tommi wrong information they just announced that suhonen has made deal with jokerit tommi and boris majorov has made year deal with tappara svante this will be my last post promotion of the hockey pool will update the pool or try to every wednesday deadline for pool midnight saturday rules read on cost none prizes none send replies to org note if your entries is send by midnight saturday it will be accepted please include your name rules to the acme hockey playoff pool critierias pick forwards as long as they are forwards lw rw is okay pick defensemen arrange them in lines forwards and two defense line and arranged them in line order which of your players would play in the first line and which plays in the second line pick designated playmaker can be any positions try defensemen pick designated scorer can be any positions pick goal tender pick team the one you think may win the cup note players can only be chosen once ie cannot have sakic as forward and again as designated passer calculation of points except for designated scorer and playmaker assist pt ixi goal pt ii for players in line their pt totals will be line pts line pts line pts win pt for goalies the team that wins the cup pts for the designated playmaker designated calculation will be as follows scorer goal pts every goal scored points assists pts every assists points in the event of tie the tie will be broken by unmodified goal totals and then by game winning goals sample eg designated scorer jeremy roenick actual pts modified designated playmaker steve smith actual pts modified line murphy courtnall messier dave manson iafrate total points points for that line internet org david wong uucp pinetree montana gordon pinetree ottawa on canada played in scandinavium gothenburg april sweden finland swe peter popovic markus naslund fin ville siren keijo sailynoja pp fin juha riihijarvi timo saarikoski vesa viitakoski pp fin jari korpisalo kari harila rauli raitanen swe jan larsson mikael renberg stefan nilsson swe hakan ahlund thomas rundqvist swe roger akerstrom roger hansson swe stefan nilsson patrik juhlin charles berglund fin keijo sailynoja fin keijo sailynoja ps swe mikael renberg hakan ahlund thomas rundqvist fin jari korpisalo shots on goal penalties attendance referee sweden peter andersson finland sweden sweden opened the scoring as markus naslund made drop pass at the finnish blue line popovic picked it up and advanced towards the finnish goal and shot nice hard wrist shot in ketterer top corner ville siren slap shot from the blue line on power play made it and juha riihijarvi scored nice goal in another power play when he close in front of goal put the puck high over aslin after the first period the finns started the second period with really good pressure korpisalo made it with another goal from close range high over aslin then during the finnish pressure sweden turned the game around in mikael renberg worked hard behind the finnish goal and passed the puck to jan larsson in front who backhanded the puck low rundqvist entered the finnish zone and passed to ahlund and the finnish defense let ahlund skate in and take shot that ketterer dropped into the goal next roger hansson behind the goal sent the puck back to the blue line where roger akerstrom took slap shot and ketterer didn see the puck since there was traffic in front third period started with nice goal by stefan the shadow nilsson stefan and patrik juhlin entered the finnish zone patrik passed the puck back to stefan who alone with ketterer made no mistake then keijo sailynoja show started he reduce and equalized the lead in only seconds first he scored the goal and after that he came in alone with aslin but was tripped by aslin to get penalty shot sailynoja made nice penalty shot showed forehand and put in with low backhand shot the swedes seemed to head for win when mikael renberg scored the goal late in the game on nice power play combination renberg waited in the slot showed that he wanted the puck on the backhand side ahlund passed the puck and renberg took turnaround shot low in ketterer goal far side but jari korpisalo had other plans as he only seconds later scored the game final goal to make it korpisalo took slap shot from narrow angle that maybe aslin should have saved all in all decent game where the defense wasn the best both teams juggled around the lines bit in the second and third period to try no combinations renberg and rundqvist plays well together in the swedish team larsson nilsson juhlin best line overall again it seems to be working wc line stillman good on defense some players aren good enough for the wc though hakan ahlund faell ner hjaelmen och jobba roger hansson challe berglund kenny jonsson will likely have to leave for nhl pros two goal scorers jari korpisalo and keijo sailynoja played well in the finnish team markus ketterer didn have very good game we ve seen him lot better so lindfors is probably finland starting goalie in the wc heard that esa tikkanen will join the finnish team it would be inter resting to know which other pros coach matikainen counts on for the wc starting lines sweden finland peter aslin markus ketterer kenneth kennholt mikko haapakoski fredrik stillman ville siren hakan ahlund jarkko varvio thomas rundqvist mika nieminen mikael renberg keijo sailynoja roger akerstrom erik hamalainen arto blomsten kari harila jan larsson rauli raitanen stefan nilsson petri varis patrik juhlin jari korpisalo peter popovic timo jutila stefan larsson harri laurila roger hansson juha riihijarvi fredrik nilsson timo saarikoski peter ottosson vesa viitakoski pasi sormunen janne laukkanen markus naslund juha ylonen peter forsberg timo peltomaa jonas bergqvist marko palo played parts of the game charles berglund mika alatalo kenny jonsson saku koivu marko palo staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey now what if the two teams were merged this has been proposed in tampere with ilves lynx and tappara axe the fans wouldn take it they rather see their teams out of the playoffs most of the time or even relegated than merged it not that difficult to understand it just like here in helsinki you grow up being either jokerit or hifk fan the other team is the last team in the world you would support not talking about hate but about extremely deeply rooted rivalry deeply rooted rivalry ahem jokerit have been around since and joined the top flight only in the early helsingfors ifk have been around since but fans only started taking hockey seriously in the so think you re exagerating here however it been proved that both fan groups can cheer the same team that the finnish national team maybe that how you could set up huge franchise in finland no one has ever said that the team must be called after one city or play all its games on one arena just one team finland and team sweden in the nhl just wouldn make any sense we have way more talent than of the total of north american talent after couple of seasons you would never see the cup going anywhere outside the nordic presuming that our teams would have the advantage in drafting local talent as prooposed that rather bold claim in the light of how successful the canadian american olympic teams have been and they ve had to play according to our set of rules and on international ice the olympic teams contained about as much talent as your average expansion team canada had eric lindros sean burke joe juneau and chris kontos another four or five have been deep subs in the nhl as for the yanks keith tkachuk scott lachance bret hedican shawn mceachern steve heintze ted donato joe sacco and bill guerin have been line players in the nhl while robb stauber has done well for the kings in goal nothing more in fact sure that an all star team assembled from the best finnish league teams would do no better in the nhl than hartford or tampa bay currently are doing but what happens if all top class finnish swedish players gradually end up with helsinki stockholm as the north american based ones gradually retire and no canadian american team is allowed to draft new players from scandinavia here is what the hockey news scouts think of our nhl based players superstar star nhl regular nhl regular role player finland jyrki lumme teppo numminen peter ahola jari kurri christian ruuttu teemu selanne esa tikkanen obviously selanne ratings would be higher today than they were in january sweden ulf samuelsson fredrik olausson niklas lidstrom calle johansson kjell samuelsson tommy sjodin tommy albelin mats sundin thomas steen thomas sandstrom ulf dahlen michael nylander per erik eklund johan garpenlov mikael andersson jan erixon this would be interesting clearly finland top five players winnipeg selanne numminen vancouver lumme los angeles jari kurri and new york tikkanen are right up there with any five man unit pittsburgh co have but have my doubts about the home based finnish players the national team did well in the canada cup and world championships largely due to the efforts of markus ketterer the goalie or the players listed above and luck there presumably lot of decent players in finland that wouldn be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players however my guess would be that the finnish canada cup team would be team in the nhl sweden is easier to judge because they have more players in north america their points total players is seven more than ottawa top players combined if we estimate there are six more nhl regulars back home in sweden an all swedish team would assemble about skill points deducting some points from pittsburgh ny rangers and other teams that rely on swedish players the swedish team would finish in sixth place about as high as boston vancouver calgary and montreal on paper so the dynasty talk isn completely unfounded here an all finnish all swedish team might have an advantage because the players would be playing at home half of the time won have to adapt to foreign country and foreign language and presumably play the wide open european variant of hockey rather than have to learn the north american checking game however if free agency becomes factor the top scandinavian players still might end up playing for large market teams after couple of years the same way edmonton dynasty crumbled in the late some fringe players likely will be drafted by other nhl teams as having an exclusive talent pool might be bit unfair after all settle for compromise prohibit all european teams from signing north american during the first two rounds but allow them to keep their top two players after this the amateur draft should be open to anyone finland over czech in the final bruins over blackhawks in marcu uptade here are the standings for the poll after votes points for for point for ea nhlpa game det chi ny van mtl pit wsh bos asw cgy que ase wpg la otw stl tor buf phi tby sj min atlanta to win turner cup not in the game but person vote edm htf li nj teams have no point continue to send your votes in this format until april approximately keywords email iskander fr ou fr fine year history came to close tonight as the minnesota north stars or norm stars whichever you prefer lost to the red wings by score of the stars goals were scored by mike mcphee and ulf dahlen who netted two including the final one in franchise history with less than minute to play tonight on the air on the stars tv telecast announcer al shaver the voice of the north stars stated basically that he will not follow the team to dallas shaver when asked by his son who was doing the broadcast with him what will you do now responded first going to get me new pair of slippers then going to sit in my easy chair and watch the world go by thank you north stars and thank you al shaver for years of minnesota memories joel alvstad saw yesterday on tv game between team sweden and team finland most of us might know that it was played in stockholm and the result was for the home team that nothing very special but was very surprised of saku koivu must admit that he surprised me already in the finnish playoffs and now on team finland saku koivu is light weight player if we consider his size according to my stats he is only and and he is only but he is real two way player skates well can score gives nice passes does even bodycheckings he is really something to watch in the wc the size isn always everything maybe we remember harlamov and they say that saku is still growing up during last year saku isn that small any longer guess heard he is tall at the moment and will still grow petteri kortelainen do not have cable and on the nights the caps don play would like to tune in other games does anyone have list of the radio stations which broadcast the games for the nhl teams thanks in advance can give you couple in detroit wjr will be broadcasting at least the first couple of games of the wings toronto series and since they broadcast at watts you may be able to pick it up after dark where you are at the pittsburgh penguins games used to be broadcast on kdka but don know whether they will be pre empted by baseball and moved to another station or not you can try those if the local baseball teams aren playing at the same time anyway randy kdka has first rights to pirates games and will split probably in conflicts for penguins games which are preempted check out wdve fm that right dve it is also watts kevin stamber purdue university no funny sig today the new name is florida panthers the panther is an endangered species mostly located in the everglades couple of years ago there were license plates made with panthers on them part of the revenue were to go to some protection fund the name of the new president of the panthers should be announced today as of yesterday paper huizenga new hockey team will take the ice at the miami arena this fall the team has guaranteed two year lease with the arena with four one year options that could run through it not our choice james blosser lawyer and huizenga aid said about ruling out the arena as long term option the nhl told us we can stay there it not economically feasible one reason is because the miami heat basketball team controls skybox and advertising revenue at the arena reducing the hockey team profit potential the hockey team is attracting arena site proposals from broward dade and palm beach counties leading site is vacant land near joe robbie stadium where residents days ago agreed to drop their opposition to hockey arena ending an eight year battle of wills compliments of the news sun sentinel jim fitz sanchez castranova as promised would give you the name of the panther president after huizenga announced the team name he announced that bill torrey is named the first president of the panthers little bio from sun sentinel torrey the architect of four consecutive stanley cup champions as persident and general manager of the new york islanders throughout his years in the nhl bill torrey bow ties have become as much of signature as andre agassi hair the panthers will introduce uniform insignia and ticket price information in early next month in the meantime huizenga leaves the day to day operation in the hands of torrey and bob clarke the vp and gm the florida panthers was chosen as the name of south florida nhl team to focus attention on an endangered species there are to florida panthers in the everglades national park the big cypress national preserve and other parts of southwestern florida the panther is the quickest striking of all cats torrey said hopefully that the way we ll play on ice more bio in torrey huizenga has the first man hired by the expansion islanders in and the one most responsible for guiding the islanders to four consecutive stanley cup championships their first after only eight seasons and consecutive winning seasons as executive vice president of the california golden seals torrey watched the seals go to the play offs in only their second nhl season guess this completes my own personal hat trick said torrey native of montreal but resident of bear lakes country club in palm beach jim other accounts cse fau edu cse fau edu repeat myself when under stress repeat myself when under stress repeat myself when under stress repeat myself when under stress repeat adrian belew indicipline can give you couple in detroit wjr will be broadcasting at least the first couple of games of the wings toronto series and since they broadcast at watts you may be able to pick it up after dark where you are at the pittsburgh penguins games used to be broadcast on kdka but don know whether they will be pre empted by baseball and moved to another station or not you can try those if the local baseball teams aren playing at the same time anyway according to this morning post gazette the pens will be carried by kdka radio am unless the pirates are playing when the pirates play the games will be carried by wdve fm wdve will carry games starting with tonight game in fact after this season kdka will no longer be the flagship station for the pens the penguins and kbl have struck new deal regarding the tv and radio rights to the games it seems more than likely that wdve will be the flagship radio station next season kbl will carry games on tv with of the games to be simulcast on kdka tv the remaining games as well as some of the early round playoff games will be available by subscription tv only to receive the games you ll have to pay one time hook up fee and then monthly fee of dollars also under the new deal there will no longer be radio tv simulcasts there will be tv broadcast team and radio broadcast team no word on who the announcers will be mike lange and paul steigerwald are both under contract with kdka but their contracts expire at the end of this season kbl president bill craig said he like to hire lange and steigerwald lori contact for the penguins lli cmu edu so what the deal with bill wirtz apparently the blackhawks st louis game was standing room only sell out as usual but the hawks reported the attendace as gee wonder if wirtz is planning to use this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of tv what schmuck in other tv news the penguins announced yesterday that they will have fewer broadcast tv games and will have games on some sort of subscription pay per view system yuck ralph anna matyas cmu edu wrote and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh and rick tochett was the captain of the flyers when traded to the pens recently and of course mike ramsey was at one time the captain in buffalo prior to being traded to pittsburgh currently the penguins have former captains and real captain lemieux playing for them they rotate the during the season and even the while mario was out even troy loney has worn the for the pens jay john huber jr aka jay penguins stanley cup champions software engineering institute pirates nl east champions sei mastercraft the only boat for skiing it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs classy move by espn what did you leave the room each of the or so times they said that there were no other night baseball games every break they took back at the studio mentioned it followed by so we re gonna show you hockey instead my wife and are hoping for rain at every baseball game they have feed for tommorrow night point is be glad they showed hockey but if baseball was available anywhere else you can bet you would ve watched baseball last night pete clark detroit april in development that shocked most knowledgable observers the detroit redwings scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en route to win over the best team in the nhl the toronto maple leafs the leafs could not be faulted as they completely dominated the inferior detroit squad and clearly deserved to win only the biased officiating of andy van hellemond and the idiots that insisted upon throwing an octopus on the ice at every stoppage in an obvious attempt to distract the superior visiting side prevented an all out massacre of the wings by the league best team alan this is sweet roger so sweet look forward to the next installment on wednesday night trust you do too according to the fan here in ottawa has won the daigle sweepstakes they didn mention why but san jose had more goals than the sen sens so have hunch this is why ottawa would pick first if not mistaken san jose had more wins than ottawa first tiebreaker in the nhl is always most wins alan anna matyas cmu edu wrote loved the abc coverage the production was excellent the appearance was excellent it had sleek modern look this was the first time heard thorne clement thought they were great my only request is to leave al micheals out of this he annoys me was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the coverage was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage of work in the corners and behind the play without losing beat getting back to the puck boy everyone has been ripping on espn hockey coverage or is it just pittsburgher who are thrilled with lange steigy for all of you who are unaware espn bought the air time from abc and did all the production advertising sales commentating etc and even reaped any made enjoy caleb am looking for all the boxscores of any nhl team for some personal research can someone help me michel arsenault however that aside the real question is whether you like the idea of changing the names based on the reasons given for it making it easier for the casual fan or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names based on individuals who do deserve the honour imo the latter is nice and unique touch that differs from other sports in addition do not think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of people that are interested in hockey so it pointless exercise anyway there are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the fans feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties more than names honouring personages and of course they would not appear nearly as confusing to one approaching the sport for the first time another thing that bothers me is the points system percentages as used in the other major sports are clearly more informative when look at the nhl standings the first thing have to do is make quick calculation to account for games in hand which is almost always the case some will object to percentages claiming perhaps that it is an americanization of the sport but feel that using percentages is more informative and whether it is american or not is irrelevant if the current names are inappropriate then that is separate issue not central to the original article something to consider additionally is whether or not players like orr who contributed to the glory of the sport would have been able to do so without an organized professional league to play in in this case honouring builders of the league as opposed to builders of the sport becomes chicken and egg type question although it was the chicken even if orr couldn have contributed without the likes of norris you would have to agree that norris couldn have contributed without the likes of orr and taking poll of most fans would quickly tell you who the fans feel made the more meaningful contribution exactly true naming divisions and trophies after smythe and the bunch is the same kind of nepotism that put stein in the hall of fame have always thought that this was nonsense dunno if the stein comparison is justifiable since it doesn look as though his unanimous acceptance to the hall will hold up it doesn look as if the division names are going to hold up either does it cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time and of course mike ramsey was at one time the captain in buffalo prior to being traded to pittsburgh currently the penguins have former captains and real captain lemieux playing for them they rotate the during the season and even the while mario was out even troy loney has worn the for the pens had heard perhaps incorrectly that while lemieux was out noone wore on their jersey the as took turns doing captain duties whatever they are scott scott unc edu scott unc edu the opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the university of north carolina at chapel hill the campus office for information technology or the experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu or anna matyas cmu edu wrote wasn ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh no in what still imho ranks as the all time greatest pr blunder not to mention on ice blunder the whalers ever committed gm eddie johnston and coach rick ley decided that francis was incapable as leader and stripped him of the captain in december of the whole organization read ej and ley and by default owner richard gordon because he was too much of dupe to know how much he was being blind sided by ej dumped on francis all season starting with refusing to sign him to new contract publicly humiliating him stripping him of the and then trading him that spring to the penguins classy guy that ej the loss of francis and too lesser extent ulf was one of series of decimating player moves by ej which stripped the personality and fan awareness from the team that has put them in the precarious position they are in today gratuitous good ej note he did preside over the organization when it acquired verbeek cassels sanderson poulin nylander etc he stripped the roster but he did lay foundation sg real live hartford whalers season ticket holder com and now interrupt your regularly scheduled news reading to bring you another message sponsored by the department of really mundane statistics passed the final individual player stats posted here the other day through filter to average out games goals assists points and penalty minutes for the mythical average nhl pro who played in the league this season why because it monday and didn feel like writing any real code anyway after wiped out the odd goalies in the list came up with nhl average gp pts pim then passed the list through second time to come up with the players who had the smallest percentage difference in each of the categories marty mcinnis nyi gp pts pim igor kravchuk edm gp pts pim these two are close in games goals assists and points but are too far off in pim this leaves as the most average player in the nhl bobby carpenter was gp pts pim what an honor also passed the list through with the goalies still included kravchuk and carpenter were still in the top three but rob dimaio came flying up from behind to take the title nhl average gp pts pim igor kravchuk edm gp pts pim bobby carpenter was gp pts pim rob dimaio tb gp pts pim it all really kind of underwhelming when you think about it sg and now back to our regularly scheduled programming after reading some of the reports of possible nhl moves to milwaukee or that milwaukee should have an nhl team thought pass along story heard recently this is second hand so don know how true it is but have no reason to doubt it either bradley center in milwaukee is home to the milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team the owner of the admirals sorry can remember his name either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the bradley center lloyd pettit supposedly he was approached by the nhl about an expansion franchise but turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of million was too high like said don know whether this story is true or just rumor but if it true don look for an nhl team in milwaukee anytime soon the admirals aren going to be forced out of the building and you won see an nhl club and minor league club in the same building especially since the nba milwaukee bucks play there as well yes it is true that he refused to buy franchise from the nhl for but at the time the reason was that the established market for teams was much less than that he felt that no one would pay for an expansion team and that he would simply wait to buy an existing franchise for less than that but the market fooled him and teams have been created for apiece in the last three years and even the existing teams can be moved for less than and doubt that he could get one for that little pettit gambled and lost now he ll have to pay more sg this is an all point team for the canadian nhlers who are not playoff bound centers geoff sanderson hartford sanderson will be on team canada but he be out of position as center although he was drafted as center and played there as rookie sanderson scored goals this season as left wing sg podein is an interesting case because he was eligible to play in cape breton in the ahl playoffs like kovalev zubov and andersson obviously sather and pocklington are not the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be certainly in this case they ve massively outclassed paramount and the new york rangers what is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus wc know that the rangers are holding back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton but also know that the whalers wanted michael nylander to play for springfield while nylander wanted to play for sweden the whalers allowed the nhl to decide and the nhl chose the wcs how does this differ from the rangers and oilers did the whalers have to go through the league or could they have forced nylander to play in springfield sg rex wang its rpi edu spews forth stupidly are people here stupid or what it is tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is tie breaker how can there be different record man thought people in this net are good with hockey might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker please please please tell me that you don actually attend rensselaer and that you just work for its or that this was tounge in cheek does this mean that should be cutting off my alumni contributions or increasing them sg and of course mike ramsey was at one time the captain in buffalo prior to being traded to pittsburgh currently the penguins have former captains and real captain lemieux playing for them they rotate the during the season and even the while mario was out even troy loney has worn the for the pens think that mike foligno was the captain of the sabres when he got traded to the leafs also wasn rick vaive the captain of the leafs when he got traded to chicago with steve thomas for ed olcyzk and someone speaking of the leafs believe that darryl sittler was their captain he torn the off his jersey but think he re claimed the captaincy later on when he was traded to the flyers oh yeah of course gretzky was the captain of the oilers before he was traded wasn he gary toronto detroit first period detroit yzerman gallant ciccarelli toronto cullen clark gill second period detroit sheppard probert coffey pp detroit burr racine sh detroit chiasson coffey pp detroit howe yzerman drake toronto gilmour borschevsky ellett pp third period detroit racine primeau drake toronto lefebvre cullen pearson detroit power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts burr chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake gallant howe primeau probert racine sheppard yzerman toronto power play scorer pts borschevsky clark cullen ellett gill gilmour lefebvre pearson winnipeg vancouver first period vancouver adams linden bure pp vancouver craven bure murzyn winnipeg steen shannon housley pp second period no scoring third period winnipeg king barnes vancouver linden courtnall mclean vancouver ronning courtnall vancouver power play scorer pts adams bure courtnall craven linden mclean murzyn ronning winnipeg power play scorer pts barnes housley king shannon steen detroit april in development that shocked most knowledgable observers the detroit redwings scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en route to win over the best team in the nhl the toronto maple leafs not only that but if not mistaken detroit scored goals on their first five shots on net looks like toronto cream cheese run continues or is that swiss cheese after watching potvin leaning towards the latter bill are people here stupid or what it is tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is tie breaker how can there be different record man thought people in this net are good with hockey might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker didn see any smilies in this message so pts team team there you go two teams that tie in points without identical records there was apparently minute special here on the penguins season on abc wtae channel immediately preceding the opening game against the devils on sunday only turned it on in time to watch the credits if anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow it to dub it would appreciate it would be willing to come pick it up and ll return it the next day and buy you beer please respond via mail thanks lot oh yeah was it any good billy the san francisco bay area media is reporting tonight that the detroit red wings beat the toronto maple leafs can someone who is not part of the media conspiracy against the leafs tell me how the game really went am expecting win for the leafs shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assists for gilmour if the leafs really lost how many penalties did whichever biased ref was at the game have to call against the leafs to let the red wings win thank you very much roland dreier berkeley edu sorry to disappoint you but the red wings earned the victory easily watched most of the game on espn as soon as realized that they were televising the game which was at the beginning of the second the maple leafs were flat very flat meanwhile the red wings were skating very freely and dictating the pace of the game didn detect any bad penalty calls van hellemond did his usual good job toronto looked like how expected them to for their first playoff game in few years nervous for the leafs sake hope they can rid themselves of the butterflies for game if game is indicative of the series it gonna go quick tom galvin cs nps navy mil does anyone have the games espn will be airing this week hopefully the detroit toronto game tongiht though abc did decent job by getting some king no hockey games televised nationally tonight what the hell is this why the hell is espn showing some stupid baseball game when baseball is not even three weeks into the season and hockey is in the playoffs no wait know the answer but still it really pisses me off to no end they better start putting some more cking games on or they will never make any money off of the deal that brought hockey back to espn aargh not that watch anyway but hockey needs all the publicity it can get keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs cow is not vegetarian dish keith keller you obviously don understand how tv scheduling works espn had prior contracts to baseball to show monday night games and had contracted all the other bs shows well in advance the nhl tv deal was very late in the scheduling process you normally have to do this one plus year out the nhl package was finished two weeks before the season started espn has shown tremendous commitment to the nhl by squeezing in extra telecasts when it could like the last minnesota game and putting stanley cup games as backup to their baseball telecasts which by favorable circumstances they could pull off last night but the bottom line is that espn cannot break contracts at will they must honor the previous deals they made does have something to do with it especially if you risk lawsuit for breach of contract with baseball so relax happy don get sportschannel anyway tom galvin cs nps navy mil us easterners who have newspapers with editors unsympathetic to playoff pools often don get summaries from west coast games since they finish too late at night for the morning edition and sure others too would greatly appreciate it if scoring summaries of west coast playoff games could be posted to this group right away basically all we need are goal scorers and assists don bother with times penalties shots etc this would make lot of pool obsessed people very happy guess with the senators out golfing now the local papers have lost interest thanks kd los angeles kings notes and game reports kings calgary flames the third place kings opened the stanley cup playoffs in calgary against the second place flames and came out with an impressive victory in front of non sellout crowd of at the saddledome in calgary symthe division playoff hockey this was both teams seemed bit tense in the opening period though the kings scored off the opening face off the kings got into the flow of the game much earlier than the flames as they played out standing team defense it took the flames of the first period to record their first shot on goal the kings ranked of the playoff teams on penalty killing shut down the flames the flames went on the power play and could record only shot on goal in those opportunities the kings had their problems on the power play yet they did manager to score goals in tries the kings forwards back checked while the defense stood the flames up at the blue line allowing the kings to take took the home ice advantage away from the flames rob blake missed the game due to the lower back contusion but is ex pected to be in the lineup on wednesday wayne gretzky suffered charlie horse in his right leg he took few shifts in the second period before retiring to the dressing room for the rest of the game interviewed on the radio this morning he stated that he was fine and would be in the lineup on wednesday period the kings got things started right off the opening face off gretzky won the draw with the puck going to sydor he crossed center ice and slapped the puck into the flames zone and behind the net the puck carried around to the far side where robitaille wacked at it and the rebound bounced to sandstrom he put the puck behind the flames net where gretzky picked it up gretzky set up in his office moved to the near side and passed into the near circle where sydor had moved in sydor who got the puck between the face off dot and the hash mark shot off the pass beating vernon low and between the legs millen and fleury went off at skrudland went off at but the kings failed to convert carson went off at and the flames failed to convert dahlquist went off at and dahl went off at giving the kings second which they failed to convert the kings recorded goal posts in the period period the kings opened with carried over from the period which they failed to convert on with seconds left in the vernon put bouncing puck into the stands and received delay of game calgary evened the score on the ensuing kings power play kurri with the puck in the neutral zone tried to put the puck into the flames zone but it hit the stick of fleury and bounced to suter at the flames blue line suter skated down the near wing and into the kings zone he faked shot at the circle and skated around kurri as he cut thorugh the crease he got hrudey to go with him and he put the puck behind hrudey on his stick side for short hander the kings reclaimed the lead seconds later on the same power play shuchuk in the far circle passed to sydor at the top of the slot and headed for the net sydors shot hit shuchuk in the back and dropped into the low slot where kings shuchuk and granato were being checked by flames carson came from the far corner picked up the loose puck and snapped wrist shot between the legs of vernon from feet above the crease the kings widened their lead just seconds later rychel was checked off the puck at the flames blue line taylor picked up the puck and sent pass cross the slot to huddy huddy shot off the pass from the near face off dot beating diving vernon on the glove side later the kings had goal lead mcsorley took shot form the near point that hit flame and deflected towards the boards marty got his own rebound skated to the bottom of the circle and sent pass into the low slot that hit dahlquist on the leg and deflected past the stick of vernon skrudland went off at but the kings could not convert sydor went off at and watters went off at giving the flames second but they failed to convert mcsorley went off at and the flames had consecutive power plays but the flames killed it themselves when suter went off for high sticking at sandstrom went off at to close out the period the kings hit goal post in the period period the kings used the phrase initiate not retaliate and it was very evident here in the period as the kings continued to pound the body and the flames continued to take bad penalties to take themselves out of the game the kings extended their lead to goals at the mark the kings shot the puck into the near corner of the flames zone vernon went behind the net to cut off the puck but he could not control it donnelly who was behind him wacked at the puck sending it into the low slot as vernon slid back in to the crease granato got shot that hit flame and bounced to the left of the net where millen fired the rebound behind vernon sydor went off at nieuwendyk went off at as the teams skated on otto skating down the far side stepped around mcsorley cut to the net and passed to dahlquist in the low slot dahlquist cut through the top of the crease and put the puck in under diving hrudey carson and rychel came in on when carson passed across to rychel fleury tripped rychel with no call the puck got shoveled into the far corner where fleury knocked rychel down and checked him from behind into the boards drawing minute major and game misconduct at the mark unfortunately the kings squandered the minute power play when granato at and watters at took penalties the flames closed to within at the mark macinnis at the near point passed to yawney at the far point he took few strides towards the net wound up and drove shot off the near post and in over the glove of hrudey the play started on another faceoff that the kings lost timeout la macinnis took penalty at and the kings converted on the power play to seal the victory sandstrom skating down the far wing in the flames zone cut towards the back of the net just as he crossed the goal line he passed the puck into the low slot on the far side to carson who shot off the pass beating vernon on the ice stick side at the mark skrudland went off for slashing and stern went crazy as he went after shuchuk stern wound up with double minor for roughing single minor for cross checking and minute misconduct and he took the flames right out of the game on the plus side the kings for the most part played very disciplined hockey as they let calgary retaliate the kings played good team defense and excellent penalty killing on the minus side the kings lost almost every face off this must improve or the flames will surely get that power play back on track notes the kings recalled guy leveque brandy semchuk and jim thomson from phoenix wayne gretzkys period assist was his career playoff point the kings entered the game in the league in shots per game against giving the opposing team an average of shots per game flames goaltender mike vernon entered the game with record in afternoon games the flames entered the game with success rate on the power play over their last games the teams were against each other in the regular season playoffs campbell conference smythe division la cal la leads win van norris division stl chi stl leads tor det wales conference adams division buf bos ot buf leads mon que ot que leads patrick division nj pit pit leads nyi was was leads records vs smythe norris patrck adams overall home road total box score calgary los angeles period la sydor gretzky sandstrom la millen high sticking cal fleury high sticking cal skrudland interference la carson tripping cal dahlquist holding stick cal dahl roughing period cal verson delay of game served by ashton cal suter fleury sh la carson shuchuk sydor pp la huddy taylor rychel la mcsorley unassisted cal skrudland elbowing la sydor tripping la watters hooking la mcsorley holding cal suter high sticking la sandstrom hooking period la millen granato donnelly la sydor hooking cal nieuwendyk tripping cal dahlquist otto cal fleury major boarding game misconduct la granato tripping la watters interference cal yawney macinnis reichel cal macinnis roughing la carson sandstrom robitaille pp la hardy holding cal skrudland slashing cal stern double roughing cross checking min misconduct overtime none shots los angeles calgary power play conversions for of for the year of against of for the year of goalies los angeles hrudey calgary vernon attendance scratches rob blake back contusion guy leveque numbers lonnie loach numbers marc potvin numbers brandy semchuk numbers robb stauber numbers brent thompson numbers jim thomson numbers lines forwards robitaille gretzky sandstrom donnelly millen kurri rychel conacher taylor granato carson shuchuk lines defense huddy sydor watters zhitnik hardy mcsorley denotes starting lineup next game wednesday april calgary flames pacific time on prime ticket stan willis dnet hac com net contact kings talk with the kings mailing list stanford edu to subscribe or unsubscribe kings stanford edu are predicting although think bryan murray is probably the best gm have ever seen in hockey how do you figure that when bryan murray took over the wings they were pretty good team that was contending for the stanley cup but looked unlikely to win it now they are pretty good team that is contending for the stanley cup but looks unlikely to win it truly great gm would have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon of the nhl and maybe win the stanley cup good gm like murray can think murray has done great job he picked up ciccarelli sheppard ysebaert howe coffey and riendeau plus some depth players without giving up anything the wings needed or any of his top prospects all of this in three years has anyone done better the year before he took over the wings didn even make the playoffs there was about year and half during demers stint that the wings did ok but that was due to demers motavational skills and clutch and grab style they didn have much talent gerald murray wasn responsible for primeau although not ready to admit that horrible pick they hired him after the draft which has never made sense to me his first pick was lapointe ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president new set of things to worry about getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton also think that they will have hard time with pittsburgh if they face them in the finals which is what all the detroit sportswriters are predicting although think bryan murray is probably the best gm have ever seen in hockey not as impressed with his abilities as bench coach or in general as motivator with the amount of talent he has on this team he should have blown away everyone in the norris there is not another team in the norris maybe even in the campbell conference that can hold candle to detroit on paper in terms of pure talent but some guys have not been pulling their weight at times this year scotty bowman on the other hand who has won think correct me if wrong nine stanley cups is an outstanding coach and think he could outcoach murray if they faced each other bryan murray has done very little as gm yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson the whole russian strategy was product of the previous gm murray has made couple of decent trades that about it that would hardly rank him as the best gm wasn primeau murray first decision as gm gerald according to the sj murky news the team usa roster is names and teams played for in listed goalies forwards tony amonte new york rangers ted drury harvard univ rob gaudreau san jose sharks craig johnson univ of minnesota jeff lazaro ottawa senators mike modano minnesota north stars ed olczyk new york rangers derek plante univ of minnesota duluth shion podein edmonton oilers david sacco boston university darren turcotte new york rangers doug weight edmonton oilers it looks like the edmonton oilers just decided to take european vacation this spring ranford tugnutt benning manson smith buchberger and corson are playing for canada podein and weight are playing for the us is kravchuk playing for the russians know he had nagging injuries late in the season podein is an interesting case because he was eligible to play in cape breton in the ahl playoffs like kovalev zubov and andersson obviously sather and pocklington are not the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be certainly in this case they ve massively outclassed paramount and the new york rangers gerald and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh mom rick tocchet was captain of the flyers for several years before he was traded to the pens john santore we break the surface tension with our wild kinetic dreams rush grand designs go philadelphia flyers john santore cmu edu rush yes king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesis gabriel think that jack ferreira firing eventually led to kingston firing you mention consistency of vision think the sharks lost that with the loss of ferreira there has never been headed that has ever worked you need one person making the personnel decisions at the top not management by committee the conventional wisdom from around the league is that ferreira would have made the moves that would have fielded better product on the ice how exactly would ferreira accomplished this the three headed gm ship has taken lot of heat but nobody explained how things would have been any different had ferreira still been there would ferreira have made more trades who would have he had traded would he have made fewer trades who should not have been traded sherri nichols com also think that they will have hard time with pittsburgh if they face them in the finals which is what all the detroit sportswriters are predicting although think bryan murray is probably the best gm have ever seen in hockey how do you figure that when bryan murray took over the wings they were pretty good team that was contending for the stanley cup but looked unlikely to win it now they are pretty good team that is contending for the stanley cup but looks unlikely to win it truly great gm would have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon of the nhl and maybe win the stanley cup good gm like murray can maintain the team success but can push them to the next level when jacques demers brought the wings to the conference finals twice few years back he had everyone on the team giving percent but he had very little talent he had yzerman bob probert who had drinking problems at the time and couple of decent goaltenders in hanlon and stefan who got hot that about it can you name one player on those earlier teams who even deserved to be in the all star game much less actually got there other than yzerman and probert like petr klima give me break when they faced edmonton in both of those conference finals as hard as they played it was clear they faced team that simply had superior talent to the wings that why they could not get to the finals also at that time the norris division was still the weakest division in hockey and getting past chicago and toronto was not as impressive as it is today murray has brought scoring talent to the wings that they did not have few years ago when devellano was gm and demers was coach to name few ysebaert kozlov and paul coffey who has made definite positive impact on the power play especially murray has built one of the most talented teams in hockey at the present with the possible exception of the pittsburgh penguins the wings have at least five goal scorers that can think of and couple of defenseman with over games worth of playoff experience murray one failing is that unlike the other gm you mentioned who are definitely also good don get me wrong he has not found for himself strong coach to motivate the team to go out and give percent for the full minutes every night like they did the last time they made cup run when team wins or loses it reflection of the gm and the coach which was the point of my original post if the team outmatches their opponent in terms of talent but loses anyway which has been the case this year when the wings have struggled that indicates that the gm has done his job in building up the team but the coach has failed to motivate them if as in the case of the last run the wings made in the playoffs before murray came they gave opponents hard time who should have beaten them easily that indicates good coaching making up for lack of talent all of this is fine never said that murray was bad gm merely said that he isn the best gm in hockey or even contender for that honor if murray is as great as you claim the wings would have won the stanley cup by now probably more than once if he was as great gm as you claim and he was as poor coach as you claim he would have been intelligent enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success but murray is an average unspectacular nhl coach and pretty good gm so none of this is true anyway gregmeister is there an award for best back up behind hockey great underneath all the hype about lemieux stevens jagr ulf etc ron francis has quietly put together point season goals and assists in games that was probably the best acquisition the penguins have made since getting lemieux apologies to rick tocchet who has had hell of year himself the pens got just the right person at just the right time when they got francis before the playoffs two years ago to back up mario who was the second line center before they got francis remember randy gilhen who really plays tough an ace in the face off circle but nobody with all the skills francis has scoring passing winning face offs and putting into every game every night just wanted to glow little know what you mean glow everytime ronnie out on the ice in fact one of the neatest things about seeing the pens in person is that can key in on him instead of watching what probably be seeing on tv he does so many subtle things behind the play he said in an interview recently that when he was kid his dad stressed the importance of playing two way hockey that you have to learn how to play defense as well as offense and he obviously took that advice to heart he was breath of fresh air when he arrived in pittsburgh to the team whose forwards for the most part couldn and wouldn play lick of defense it really difficult to assess what the key trades were that brought all of this success to the pens you mention rick tocchet and he has certainly helped and even ol kjell has been steady but looking at this team you could almost take any one of them out of the line up permanently and replace them with an extremely mediocre player and it wouldn matter if had to pick the top three acquisitions in recent years they would be tom barrasso ron francis larry murphy love to put francis first but do think the only thing that could really damage the pens right now would be to lose barrasso mom on apr in don cherry coach corner next clip was shown from an earlier episode in which don was proclaiming doug gilmour to be the best player not only in the nhl but in the world what about players like lemieux don said that gilmour was the best player not designated point getter its not like baseball where you have designatted hitter who can score runs but can play defense gilmour is good two way player this clip was shown on local news in pittsburgh last night kdka complete with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster it the second time cherry has been shown on local pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks both times he was blasting lemieux jim murawski sr software engineer office administrative computing and fax information services jjm cmu edu carnegie mellon university office ucc forbes avenue pittsburgh pa le mieux le magnifique soixante six claude non there are days until clinton clinocchio leaves office too many next clip was shown from an earlier episode in which don was proclaiming doug gilmour to be the best player not only in the nhl but in the world what about players like lemieux don said that gilmour was the best player not designated point getter its not like baseball where you have designatted hitter who can score runs but can play defense gilmour is good two way player what can you expect from buffoon who said that the pens should have drafted kirk muller instead of mario lemieux perhaps once upon time don cherry had some insight into the game of hockey but he really degenerated into parody of himself sherri nichols com aargh paul stewart is the worst and most biased ref presently in the nhl he called total of penalties on the habs and one on the nordiques the nords penalty came in stewart being an ex nordique himself was looking to call penalties on the habs while letting the nords get away with murder we was robbed no patrick roy is the reason the game was lost and ron hextall is the reason quebec won everybody said it would come down to goaltending that goaltending was the key etc etc well the key doesn quite fit if you re montreal the dionne penalty was kind of cheesy call but let face it he literally left his feet to throw an elbow blaming stewart is just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that roy allowed what was one of the worst goals he could possibly allow he even saw the whole shot dammit besides stewart evened things up bit by calling quebec penalty in ot montreal played solid game although they still don know how to clear traffic in front of the net the loss of schneider will hurt even more normally would say that any team that blows goal lead with less than five let alone two minutes to go in regulation time in playoff game especially needs to be smacked upside their collective heads but don think this was team loss although keane should have been able to clear the zone just prior to the first quebec goal roy is paid big money to play he looked like player in an industrial league on sakic shot demers should start racicot in the next game if not that he should let the damn team read the papers for the next day or two and maybe this article if possible patrick roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal he was shaky and on his knees for the rest of the night the winning goal shouldn have gone in didn think the wrap around was as bad as the second goal also didn think scott young should have gotten around the defender can remember who in the first place but you are correct it shouldn have gone in regardless oh well at least the bruins lost in also ha ha yep moog looked bad on mogilny goal with five seconds left in the second imo how about neely though holy shit what player speaking of great players man oh man can quebec skate haven seen team so potent on the rush in long time watching them break out of their zone especially sundin is treat to watch they remind me of the red army but still hate the team on the rest of the games didn st louis winning goal come on powerplay penalties will cost chicago dearly especially against detroit same goes for calgary very very undisciplined when marty mcsorely is waving guys to the bench to avoid fights you know something up new jersey was overmatched terreri heroics notwithstanding mario is unbelievable and jagr for some reason shows up in the playoffs but hate that team anyway ists ca pissed off habs fan well it not that bad but am still pretty pissed of at the local abc coverage they cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing stuff deleted ok here the solution to your problem move to canada yesterday was able to watch four games the nj pitt at on abc la cal at cbc buff bos at tsn and fox and mon que at cbc think that if each series goes its max could be watching hockey playoffs for some odd consecutive nights haven counted so that pure guess have two tv in my house and set them up side by side to watch mon que and keep an eye on bos buff at the same time did the same for the two afternoon games btw those abc commentaters were great was quite impressed they seemed to know that their audience wasn likely to be well schooled in hockey lore and they did an excellent job they were quite impartial also imo ists ca not suffering from shortage of hockey here think that you are incorrect roger patrick smythe and adams all played or coached in the league before becoming front office types hence they did help build the league although they were not great players themselves punch imlach contributions as coach and gm were far greater than those of the above combined should we name division or trophy after him owner vs player contributions deleted are we going to honour those who contributed to the league evolution or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the sport itself stuff deleted the money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on and that is it is the players that are what make the game great and not the people who put them on the ice as recall the author of the original article that started the thread claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for variety of reasons roger on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his was jingoistic rant but you also supported the name changing on the grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals they represent fwiw do not think the flaming was warranted nor do think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all just an observation however that aside the real question is whether you like the idea of changing the names based on the reasons given for it making it easier for the casual fan or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names based on individuals who do deserve the honour imo the latter is nice and unique touch that differs from other sports in addition do not think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of people that are interested in hockey so it pointless exercise anyway if the current names are inappropriate then that is separate issue not central to the original article something to consider additionally is whether or not players like orr who contributed to the glory of the sport would have been able to do so without an organized professional league to play in in this case honouring builders of the league as opposed to builders of the sport becomes chicken and egg type question although it was the chicken exactly true naming divisions and trophies after smythe and the bunch is the same kind of nepotism that put stein in the hall of fame have always thought that this was nonsense dunno if the stein comparison is justifiable since it doesn look as though his unanimous acceptance to the hall will hold up ists ca on all replays joe murphy goal shouldn have counted the game would have ended in tie thought the red light went on thus in the review the presumption would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the net from the replays say even from the rear the evidence wasn conclusive that the puck was in or out in my opinion was under the impression that the objective is to find conclusive evidence that the puck did cross the line and the replays saw showed fairly conclusively that the puck did not cross the goal line at any time anyway somebody screwed up ists ca it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs classy move by espn it was good to see the wings play but lets not give espn too much credit there weren any other late baseball games on so they didn have another option eric sebastian go pens the detroit red wings put lot of doubter on ice tonight with washing of the toronto maple leafs all you toronto fans have now seen the power of the mighty red wing offense toronto defense in no match for the wing offense as for the defense probert kennedey and primeau came out hitting hard toronto players were being thrown left and right not even wendell clark was tough enough for the wings tough guys the wings only gave up three goals low total for what they say is mediocre defense all you leaf fans better speak up now you team will probable have its season ended soon wings fans keep up the support there quite few wings fans lurking about here they just tend to be low key and thoughtful rather than woofers suppose every family must have roger clinton though but remember to paraphrase one of my favorite star trek lines if we adopt the ways of the leaf fans we are as bad as the leaf fans ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president new set of things to worry about getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton bryan murray has done very little as gm yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson the whole russian strategy was product of the previous gm murray has made couple of decent trades that about it that would hardly rank him as the best gm wasn primeau murray first decision as gm gerald there are many teams in the nhl who have taken liking to russian players the whole russian strategy is not specific to detroit or to devellano who was gm before murray what the previous gm also did was to trade away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams most notably in my memory murray craven who had few very good years with philly after leaving here also it not the volume of trades that will necessarily improve team but the quality of them trading adam oates for bernie federko was just plain stupid even if federko used to be great player at one time most of murray trades have worked significantly to the wings advantage with those that didn being soured mainly by injury to the players involved such as troy crowder who suffered back problems from which he never really recovered put scotty bowman pat burns or any of the other better coaches in the league behind the bench of this detroit team and they could beat anybody randy thorne is good and ve always been fan of clement but miss mike emrick my boyfriend who is not hockey fan even looked up at one point and said these guys are pretty good announcers this is the same guy who said that rick tocchet looks like charles bronson did your boyfriend comment on the fact that clement looks like walking ad for brillo pad hair replacement therapy the guy just stuffed shirt who thinks he the greatest hockey analyst since howie meeker for gosh sakes ll take schoenie any day george george ferguson arpa rochester edu dept of computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university of rochester vox rochester ny fax boy everyone has been ripping on espn hockey coverage or is it just pittsburgher who are thrilled with lange steigy for all of you who are unaware espn bought the air time from abc and did all the production advertising sales commentating etc and even reaped any made in the interests of saving badnwidth during this heated time of the year viz the early flurry of retard comments coming from certain state whose name starts with and ends with why don you tell us something we don already know george george ferguson arpa rochester edu dept of computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university of rochester vox rochester ny fax it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs classy move by espn the only reason espn showed that hockey came was because there was no other baseball game scheduled for the evening randy plymouth edu joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues boy everyone has been ripping on espn hockey coverage or is it just pittsburgher who are thrilled with lange steigy for all of you who are unaware espn bought the air time from abc and did all the production advertising sales commentating etc and even reaped any made no caleb it not the quality of espn that have problem with it is superb whereas it did not evolve beyond the point where espn left off when hockey went to sc this is excepting sc use of feeds from cbc it the amount of hockey they re showing or lack of it that we re complaining about they had rights to two ot that could ve been shown on sunday night after baseball and they had pickup trucks racing through oversized pigpens followed by super home movies of old car races yes was checking in desperation for canucks jets last night after sportscenter gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated luc robitaille was captain of the kings the first third of the season until the great one came back from his disc injury it was kind of awkward but melrose appointed anointed tgo as captain immediately upon his return after which he did not score goal for something like games think luc should have remained captain all season dvb was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the coverage was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage of work in the corners and behind the play without losing beat getting back to the puck thorne is good and ve always been fan of clement but miss mike emrick my boyfriend who is not hockey fan even looked up at one point and said these guys are pretty good announcers this is the same guy who said that rick tocchet looks like charles bronson mom have one complaint for the cameramen doing the jersey pitt series show the shots not the hits on more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on check along the boards while the puck was in the slot they panned back to show the rebound maybe mom camera people were little more experienced joseph stiehm apparently part defensemen numbered through was lost when posted it to make things worse lost my own copy have asked on the sharks mailing list on which it did get out to see if someone can mail me copy back if someone responds will repost it when get it otherwise will re write it in day or two and post it sorry about that larry depalma season acquired free agent from minnesota grade no netter fan watching the sharks including me knows where depalma was at the end of the season the sharks appeared to still have his rights but he wasn in san jose he wasn in kansas city and his name hasn appeared on the waiver wire and that kind of invisibility was prevalent for the most part for depalma after being called up october against the tampa bay lightning depalma had an excellent week scoring points in games while playing good defense unfortunately the year old depalma then disappeared the rest of the way getting just more points in more games and generally looked lethargic and uninterested on both ends of the ice he then was sent down to kansas city walked out from there and was suspended and later reinstated when it was revealed that he was injured he then promptly disappeared from the watching eyes of shark bytes as the mailing list is now known to sharks officials faithful and neither the sharks nor we miss him johan garpenlov season acquired trade with detroit for bob mcgill and round pick in entry draft from vancouver grade after an early slump garpenlov was nothing short of inspirational the rest of the way finishing with points in games second highest total on the team as he clicked well with team mvp kelly kisio and right wing rob gaudreau kisio got most of the credit but garpenlov finishing second in the mvp voting clearly demonstrated his playmaking and scoring skills as he was seen making excellent centering passes as well as finishing passes to him by putting the puck past opposing goaltenders getting club high power play goals contrary to his previous rep garpenlov also showed that despite his small size lbs he was willing to throw himself around when necessary albeit not very successful yet he also still needs to work on his defense although he improved tremendously throughout the season and was actually quite good penalty killer by the end of the season he will be major key to the offense next year david bruce season acquired from st louis in expansion draft grade after banner when he led the team in power play goals and was third in total scoring points in games bruce was bothered virtually all of this season with groin injury which kept him out of the lineup for all by games this season of course it is difficult to speculate how well he would have done this season had he not been affected by the injury but the year old bruce was effective with man up or man short in the sharks first season and was expected to be strong offensive leader this season as well the injury appears serious which is shame because otherwise he may have much brighter future for now instead his future with the sharks next season appears clouded mark pederson season acquired trade with philadelphia for lw dave snuggerud grade it is difficult for me to understand the flyers decision to unload pederson after very good offensive season last season points in games but after riding the pine early in the season pederson was summarily sent to the sharks in exchange of the defensive minded snuggerud and he finished with games combined with the flyers and the sharks he was also limited by injuries this season and this limited his production points but when healthy pederson appears impressive with good scoring touch good size and the willingness to throw it around although he not considered physical forward and good speed he also does not appear to be liability on defense but the sharks probably have to wait until next season to see how much exactly pederson can do john carter season acquired free agent from boston grade carter was definitely one of the hardest workers on the team and the hard work worked wonders as at times he looked great on ice however although he did look great at times the fact that he received just points in games for his efforts is sign that there is only so much his hard work can do and the sharks confirmed that by sending him to kansas city with about games left in the season carter who will turn on may always hussled but as result was sometimes trapped too deep within the offensive zone while forechecking but he was generally credit on the defensive end but he is probably of limited utility in that capacity and he did not impress offensively although he was one of the best sharks at drawing penalties he is very unlikely to be back next season jean francois quintin season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade don understand why the sharks didn let quintin play any more than the games he played this season he was generally hard working and creating opportunities offensively and appeared at age ready for regular nhl duty at least for team like the sharks finishing with points in those games while not being defensive liability shoulder injury in training camp before the season limited quintin the team leading scorer in exhibition games despite sitting out the final two to just games with the sharks and the blades that season but he looked impressive he should be solid contender for regular duty next season mark beaufait season acquired round pick in supplemental draft grade after all star season at kansas city beaufait got cup of coffey with the sharks late in the season when the blades knocked down playoff spot and the sharks decimated with injuries playing games and scoring goal for his only nhl point thus far despite small size lbs beaufait was not shy to throw himself around when necessary and looked pretty good at times although it too early to judge him based on nhl games in which he played mostly left wing away from his center position at northern michigan and kansas city jaroslav otevrel season acquired round pick in entry draft grade like beaufait otevrel also played away from his normal position when he was up for his cup of tea games midway through the season he was generally very much of defensive liability and did not show much offensively either although that may be more indicative of the lack of ice time he got in those games he may need another season to work on his defense but once his defense is acceptable he should be ready michel picard season acquired trade with hartford for lw yvon corriveau grade the year old picard although he perennially tore up the minors seems to be close to being out of chances for some reason after being acquired by the sharks but failing to impress the management in games scoring goals for his only points and he spent most of the rest of the way in kansas city he was not particularly strong defensively and despite his offensive brilliance in the minors he has failed thus far to score in the nhl although he has been given limited opportunities he may be the sharks bait in the expansion draft dody wood season acquired round pick in entry draft grade although perhaps shouldn give grade at all have been accused of knocking on wood too much then it is probably no surprise to you that am thoroughly unimpressed by wood thus far although games is small example he was generally nonfactor on offense was not particularly good defensively and took too many silly penalties losing many fights in the process and gathering penalty minutes in those games projecting to to in an game season he not ready and needs at least another season at kc where he can work on his fighting skills if nothing else his relatively small size lbs does not give much possibility that he can survive at this stage as an enforcer go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks finally got it back with great thanks to mark spiegel for saving and sending it rob zettler season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade zettler gave the sharks every bit he got this year unfortunately this still wasn enough to make him any more than marginal nhler if that he works hard for sure but is no better than average on defense and is prone to costly penalties and defensive lapses at times while being basically an offensive zero goal and assists in games he would be hardpressed to make the team next year david williams season acquired free agent from new jersey grade imo williams was the most valuable defenseman for the sharks in playing combination of good offense goals and assists in games and good defense but he playing the first part of this season in kansas city was good neither offensively nor defensively this year it then appears that was fluke although he improved towards the end of the season he was prone to being out of position defensively and did not demonstrate the playmaking skills that made him the team leading scorer among defensemen last year he would also be hardpressed to make the team next year jayson more season acquired from montreal in expansion draft grade after being touted as the team top defensive prospects in training camp before more had rather disappointing as he was not particularly good defensively and had just points in games he then proceeded to improve his game massively this season becoming the team most reliable defenseman whom the team can count on night in and night out to play steady defense and providing occasional but only occasional offensive flash offensively he was even more disappointing than last year points in games but his defense improved tremendously he is probably best as the defensive part of defense combination with an offensive defenseman neil wilkinson season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade wilkinson was probably the team top defensive defenseman in however partially because of injuries he was not the same this year as he missed games total due to nagging knee and back injuries and seemed to be slowed even when playing he then had often to be saved by his defensive partners that is if they are there at all but he also had some solid games and if he can be complete healthy he can still be force sandis ozolinsh season acquired round pick in entry draft grade at the time of his injury december against the philadelphia flyers ozolinsh was well on track to be imo the team mvp serious knee injury in that game though forced him to miss the rest of the season games but he still finished as the team top scorer among defensemen points which of course tells more about the lack of offense the sharks had from their defensemen but it also tells of ozolinsh abilities at the time he was playing very good defense along with excellent offense he was still susceptible to so called rookie mistakes but was probably the defenseman who made the least of them on the team rookie or veteran if he can come back from his injuries he is ready to be star doug zmolek season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade zmolek had basically solid and durable year being one of the only two sharks to play in all games of the season he was solid on defense but after being billed as an offensive defenseman he didn show it points he was also prone to penalties and his penalty minutes was second on the team however that was also an indication that he was fearly when facing tough physical opponents and he was at his best when playing physically but to become fixture in this league he needs to improve both offensively and defensively and cut down on the number of power plays he gives to opponents go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks forgot to ask is this the highest points total francis has had in season has he ever had point season before either with the pens or the whalers francis got in his last full season with hartford in agreement with your previous post think francis is tremendous and generally underrated complete player would love to have him here in capitals uniform where he would certainly be the center even though pivonka is also very good complete player who is generally underrated francis impresses me in many ways as an ethical dale hunter tons of heart and can do attitude with lot of different skills but none of the cheap shots and few penalty minutes not to mention nearly always coming through when it important deg has many german born forwards in the team in fact the majority of players are german born deg had average in spectator arena interesting one of our german friends here robert told me their forwards were all canadian germans perhaps somebody can sort this out for us as far as know dusseldorf has only one canadian german forward player who was born in canada but now has german passport benoit doucet became german by marriing german and he is going to play for germany in the wc the other canada born forwards are peter john lee has british passport chris valentine dale dercatch steve gootas earl spry at the moment there are only three german born forwards coming into my mind bernd trunschka andreas brockmann ernst koepf hm do you think dusseldorf fans would like it if their team joined the nhl or do we have to include koln as well cologne to you anglophiles to make them happy volker marcu saw mask once that had drawings of band aids presumably for every puck that goalie stopped with his face head can remember who it was or even if it was nhl see quite few ahl games here gerry cheevers used to have mask that had stitches painted all over it ken dryden mask is classic an archetype of our time need say more and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh mom chris chelios was montreal co captain with guy carbonneau when he was traded to chicago for denis savard and peter stastny was captain of the quebec nordiques when he was traded to new jersey also mark messier was captain of the edmonton oilers when he was traded to new york how about dale hawerchuk with winnipeg when he was traded to buffalo was he captain too think so should not forget wayne you know who when he was traded to he was captain didn they strip wendel clark of his capta incy in toronto just some updates and thoughts cheer daniel piche lmc det design ericsson communications inc decarie blvd floor town of mont royal quebec ext mail ericsson se memoid lmc lmcdapi cheers hello hockey fans bonjour tout le monde well in salt lake city this past sunday the local abc station decided not to televise the hockey games la directrous de programme est la tete de merde anyway have satellite dish and few of my friends from hockey have invited themselves over to watch the games this coming sunday apr and can not find correct game times for the calgary at la game have times showing everything from am mdt to pm mdt am not even sure what games are going to be played this coming sunday now that abc has mucked up the schedule think should be able to pull in three games am pm and pm mdt off the dish but am not sure if anybody has schedule pleas emial it to me as you can see have to telent to get rec sport hockey and it is sometimes difficult to get link thanks in advance merci avance anglais ou francais accord roland behunin af mil hill af mil roland the detroit red wings put lot of doubter on ice tonight with washing of the toronto maple leafs all you toronto fans have now seen the power of the mighty red wing offense toronto defense in no match for the wing offense as for the defense probert kennedey and primeau came out did they move probert back to defense why did see him parking his ass in front of potvin all night somebody is going to have to discipline probert if the leafs want to win the series perhaps fresh clark should hit the ice at the end of long probert shift and straigten him out for while during the regular season when the intensity is down not many teams have forwards who will continually go and park themselves in front of the opposing teams net and the inadequacy of the leafs defense in this regard thus didn matter however the playoffs are different story every good team is going to have players who are going to become potted plants in front of potvin and the leafs relatively unphysical defensive core will finally be exposed as weak an inept hard work will go long way during the regular season almost to points and the leafs deserve credit for that but in the playoffs talent matters because everyone begins working hard gerald on apr in don cherry coach corner next clip was shown from an earlier episode in which don was proclaiming doug gilmour to be the best player not only in the nhl but in the world what about players like lemieux don said that gilmour was the best player not designated point getter its not like baseball where you have designatted hitter who can score runs but can play defense gilmour is good two way player this clip was shown on local news in pittsburgh last night kdka complete with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster it the second time cherry has been shown on local pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks both times he was blasting lemieux his designated point getter remarks were not only meant for lemieux but for gretzky bure etc etc and he made those particular remarks last december before lemieux was diagnosed with hodgkin and as the leafs started their second half roll and before gilmour great season was being recognized by many people gerald thorne is good and ve always been fan of clement but miss mike emrick my boyfriend who is not hockey fan even looked up at one point and said these guys are pretty good announcers this is the same guy who said that rick tocchet looks like charles bronson imho clement although he has pleasant personality aggravatingly pleasant in my opinion is terrible analyst because he is almost alway wrong the prototypical example being new jersey first goal last sunday grew up with dick irvin doing color beside danny gallivan knew did irvin dick irvin was friend of mine bill clement you aren any dick irvin as long as the teams involved do not include the us national team or the new york rangers take john davidson over bill clement any day gerald in article cmu edu lli cmu edu lori iannamico wrote according to this morning post gazette the pens will be carried by kdka radio am unless the pirates are playing when the pirates play the games will be carried by wdve fm wdve will carry games starting with tonight game in fact after this season kdka will no longer be the flagship station for the pens the penguins and kbl have struck new deal regarding the tv and radio rights to the games it seems more than likely that wdve will be the flagship radio station next season kbl will carry games on tv with of the games to be simulcast on kdka tv the remaining games as well as some of the early round playoff games will be available by subscription tv only to receive the games you ll have to pay one time hook up fee and then monthly fee of dollars also under the new deal there will no longer be radio tv simulcasts there will be tv broadcast team and radio broadcast team no word on who the announcers will be mike lange and paul steigerwald are both under contract with kdka but their contracts expire at the end of this season kbl president bill craig said he like to hire lange and steigerwald lori contact for the penguins lli cmu edu nooooooooooooooooo who the mindscheme behind this one ted simmons as the saying goes if it ain broke don fix it miles from home during the school year and will never be able to pick up dve at least now can sort of make out what mike and steigy say through all the static on kdka this just may be enough reason for me to transfer to duquesne and live at home who going to announce on dve anyway paulson and krenn just kidding george what are the leafs to do am leaf supporter and say the leafs are going down in four unless there is nothing short of miracle or stroke of genenius hits pat burns if you were pat burns what would you do living in the bay area do not get enough leaf coverage to pull something out of the bag would appreciate comments on the leaf detroit line match ups but here is the basic idea andreychuck and borchevsky have no business playing against the wings they are too small the key to any leafs success will have to be clark he is the only centre who can have any presence within stick lengths of the slot where the hell is anderson anderson can in days past get under peoples skin put little more bluntly anderson has to be an asshole he used to be good at it we need him now perhaps perhaps the leafs can shut down detroit second line was dissappointed to see shepard and yserbeart flying last night these guys are the swing players for the wings last year they did major choke in the playoffs and were to blame for the quick exit of the wings this has to happen again clark anderson gilmour should be able to out hustle this line anderson should do nasty on yserbeart clark should bang the hell out of sheppard score gilmour score suggestions clarke anderson gilmour vs sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsy vs detroit checking line toronto checking line vs yzerman fedorov probert pray lots as suggested would bench andreychuck and borchevsky to stir things up and through monkey wrench into detroits game plan however if the detroit coaching would be dumb enough to play their checking line against these finesse players well then let them play potvin can not be faulted on of the goals keep him in van hellamond can not be faulted for the leafs demise either the wings defense shut down the leafs especially in the slot hope pat burns realizes that his team was out hit out skated and out coached on monday night this was not loss because of poor goaltending or officiating this calls for drastic measures or tee off is next monday jake go leafs in article ragraca acs oakland edu the pittsburgh penguins games used to be broadcast on kdka but don know whether they will be pre empted by baseball and moved to another station or not you can try those if the local baseball teams aren playing at the same time anyway randy the pens are now being broadcast on wdve carol should have guessed it time for the annual pittsburgh penguins whine thon bowman was complaning about cheap shots by the devils in game sorry mr bowman you re great coach but those cheap shots were nothing compared to what going to come also guess you were only able to notice the cheap shots made by the guys not in white it amazing what those black and gold colored glasses will do ps nice dive on that high stick mario everyone knew it was high stick you could have stayed on your feet and saved your diving talent for later just stirring it up bit ralph in previous article uwo ca says cbc had great chance for some double headers toronto detroit and vancouver winnipeg but today they said that the east gets the leafs and the west get the vancouver game thought that they would show them both totally too vancouver winnipeg is great west coast hockey fast paced and loads of talent what ve seen so far is hardly entertaining with the exception of the odd shift every now then of course missed calgary la pitts jersey no because the pinheads at cbc figure everyone here in ontario cares for the leafs the maple leafs and nothing but the leafs half of southern ontario is people who moved from out west but the good folks in toronto couldn care less they should show the doubleheader heck the second game would have two canadian teams and let those desperate for news watch the national on newsworld but they don why because canada ends at windsor don cha know grrrrr amen now have to get updates every mins on cnn headline news for crying out loud that cheaper than what do phone calls there must be better system one ring adams to linden he scores two rings bure rushes up the ice he scores etc etc carleton ca rachel holme sorry to everyone for wasting space matt the other day you posted that you were doing mailing list of playoff stats lost your address please put me on that list thanks george bryan murray has done very little as gm yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson the whole russian strategy was product of the previous gm murray has made couple of decent trades that about it that would hardly rank him as the best gm there are many teams in the nhl who have taken liking to russian players the whole russian strategy is not specific to detroit or to devellano who was gm before murray what the previous gm also did was to trade away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams most notably in my memory murray craven who had few very good years with philly after leaving here also it not the volume of trades that will necessarily improve team but the quality of them trading adam oates for bernie federko was just plain stupid even if federko used to be great player at one time most of murray trades have worked significantly to the wings advantage with those that didn being soured mainly by injury to the players involved such as troy crowder who suffered back problems from which he never really recovered devallano went earlier and more extensively to the russian strategy than anyone else and was the first gm to waste high draft choices on young russians devallano would still be gm but he succombed to demers pleading to make the oates federko et al trade which is the deal that sealed his fate murray has made some decent trades no doubt but these are more due to the stupidity or cheapness of other teams than brilliance on his part washington was too cheap to pay ciccarelli so they essentially gave him away and carson was really big anchor to the team and he was able to sucker rookie gm to give him paul coffey for deadweight if detroit still fails this year because he was one defenseman short then he will have wasted an opportunity because manson was available and he was unable to pull the trigger it is his judgement that he has enough with what he got yzerman doesn have that many more years in his prime gerald little bio from sun sentinel torrey the architect of four consecutive stanley cup champions as persident and general manager of the new york islanders throughout his years in the nhl bill torrey bow ties have become as much of signature as andre agassi hair the panthers will introduce uniform insignia and ticket price information in early next month in the meantime huizenga leaves the day to day operation in the hands of torrey and bob clarke the vp and gm the san jose sharks and ottawa senators are each on their second gm already be willing to wager that both the sharks and senators will probably see their gm and perhaps their before we see the panthers second gerald podein is an interesting case because he was eligible to play in cape breton in the ahl playoffs like kovalev zubov and andersson obviously sather and pocklington are not the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be certainly in this case they ve massively outclassed paramount and the new york rangers what is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus wc know that the rangers are holding back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton but also know that the whalers wanted michael nylander to play for springfield while nylander wanted to play for sweden the whalers allowed the nhl to decide and the nhl chose the wcs how does this differ from the rangers and oilers did the whalers have to go through the league or could they have forced nylander to play in springfield obviously it is ultimately the teams choice the nhl would obviously prefer not to annoy the european hockey federations but the nhl right now cannot force nhl teams to free their players the whalers probably did it this way so as to not annoy their farm team affiliate gerald deepak chhabra ists ca wrote speaking of great players man oh man can quebec skate haven seen team so potent on the rush in long time watching them break out of their zone especially sundin is treat to watch they remind me of the red army ists ca pissed off habs fan yeah the nords look like they re going to be good but excuse the bias have you ever watched the pens on rush don answer everyone has seen this footage near the end of the season when the pens played the nords it was like watching younger double of the pens the nords looked good right up to the point when they lost ravi shah shah edu la mu sica ideas portara approx translation music will bring ideas siempre continuara and will continue forever sonido electro nico electronic sound decibel sinte tico musique non stop synthetic decibel kraftwerk what did you leave the room each of the or so times they said that there were no other night baseball games every break they took back at the studio mentioned it followed by so we re gonna show you hockey instead my wife and are hoping for rain at every baseball game they have feed for tommorrow night point is be glad they showed hockey but if baseball was available anywhere else you can bet you would ve watched baseball last night pete clark know that there wasn other games on the schedule but espn sometimes shows classic games from previous season to fill in the time slot joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues with everyone bitching about the hockey coverage by espn its almost like the detroit toronto game was not televised last nite was just thankful to see hockey on night that it wasn supposed to be carried thanks to espn no matter why they televised the game craig here is press release from the white house remarks by president clinton to ncaa division champion hockey team april following to national desk contact white house office of the press secretary washington april following is transcript of remarks by president clinton to the university of maine black bears ncaa division hockey champions the rose garden edt the president good morning ladies and gentlemen it an honor for me to welcome the university of maine black bears the winner of the ncaa division hockey national championship to the rose garden and the white house understand from senator mitchell that this is the first team from the university of maine every to win national championship and we re glad to have them here inspired not only by how the team pulled together to win the championship but how the entire state pulled together to cheer them onto victory coming from state that is also relatively small in size but also filled with pride and tradition and community can understand how the people of maine must feel about the black bears in our state people are still talking about the time we won the orange bowl over the number one ranked football team and that was back in sure that years from now the people of maine will as proud of this team as they are today you know in my state football is slightly more popular sport than hockey we don have lot of ice laughter but after spending three months getting banged around in this town can understand little more about hockey than did before came here hockey is tough game it hard hitting sport it does have one virtue though there penalty for delay of game wish we had that rule in the senate laughter in government as in hockey leadership is important in the united states senate our team has great captain the majority leader and the senior senator from maine george mitchell junior senator cohen looks so young can imagine laughter actually bitter about senator cohen because he looks so much younger than me on your hockey team the captain jim montgomery has done great job he scored the winning goal late in the championship game leading you to come from behind victory something else know little bit about sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams and in communities share the pride that senator mitchell and senator cohen and congressman andrews and all the people of maine must feel for the black bears who have shown us all how to play as team how to bring out the best in one another and how to come from behind think it important as ask young people from around america who have achieved outstanding things in working together to come here to the white house to be recognized and appreciated by their country to remember that those kinds of values and those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all of our lives we now have another role model and glad to have them here today applause the president is presented with team jersey applause the president that great love it it beautiful applause the president is presented with an autographed stick the president thank you that great applause mr president did you authorize the move on waco this morning sir the president was aware of it think the attorney general made the decision and think should refer all questions to her and to the fbi did you have any instructions for her as to how it should be executed the president no they made the tactical decisions that was their judgment the fbi is this raid the president and will want to refer you to talk to the attorney general and the fbi knew it was going to be done but the decisions were entirely theirs all the tactical decisions what did you and senator mitchell talk about this morning any chance for that stimulus package the president senator mitchell ought to pay my quarter laughter was in there laughter senator mitchell you have to pay that quarter the president was ready laughter senator mitchell he worth quarter any day any chance for your bill sir the president we talked about what was going to happen this week in the senate and about what other meetings we re going to have for the rest of the week we only had about five minutes to talk and we agreed we get back together later around noon and talk some more senator dole said over the weekend that your compromise is no compromise the president well know he did but look senator dole and lot of the other republicans now in the senate voted for the same kind of thing for ronald reagan in and our research indicates that majority of them over time voted for total of emergency spending measures totalling over billion when reagan and bush were president in those administrations and many of those purposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the american people back to work don want to go back and revisit every one but you can do it you can look at the research there so this position they re taking is not credible we have very tough five year deficit reduction plan all these costs are covered during that time and then some and the very people that are saying this has all got to be paid for don have much of history on which to base their position they ve got years of vote for stimulus measures of this kind that had very little to with putting the american people back to work so think we ve got chance to work it out and hopeful we ll see what happens today and tomorrow feeling pretty good about it the press thank you end edt canada remote systems toronto ontario in other tv news the penguins announced yesterday that they will have fewer broadcast tv games and will have games on some sort of subscription pay per view system yuck this is incorrect this year the pens had games on free tv and games on ppv next year they will have games on free tv and on subscription basis you actually get more free game than last year and there will be no more radio only games its good deal last year everybody bitched about baldwin breaking up the team now he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this team together and that takes money he comes up with creative way to generate more revenue so he can afford this team and people bitch some more everybody wants something for nothing dean dean falcione badges what badges we using by permission don need no stinkin of the owner joe mcdonald badges joseph stiehm edu wrote have one complaint for the cameramen doing the jersey pitt series show the shots not the hits on more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on check along the boards while the puck was in the slot they panned back to show the rebound maybe mom camera people were little more experienced joseph stiehm exactly that is my biggest complaint about the coverage so far follow that damn puck ravi shah shah edu la mu sica ideas portara approx translation music will bring ideas siempre continuara and will continue forever sonido electro nico electronic sound decibel sinte tico musique non stop synthetic decibel kraftwerk what are the leafs to do am leaf supporter and say the leafs are going down in four unless there is nothing short of miracle or stroke of genenius hits pat burns if you were pat burns what would you do pray for the wings to become lazy and overconfident the wings can only lose the series toronto cannot win it take away doug gilmour and the leafs are an old tampa bay the leafs deserve lot of credit for their diligent effort during the regular season but if detroit puts in reasonable effort this is not contest gerald in article corp sun com suggestions clarke anderson gilmour vs sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsy vs detroit checking line toronto checking line vs yzerman fedorov probert pray lots well wings fan and think the first thing that you should do is to get the opponent line combinations correct before you try to match up anyone with them there is no yzerman fedorov probert line except for maybe on powerplay these three players usually play on three different lines which would mean that toronto checking line would have to pull triple shift the wings lines usually look like this gallant yzerman ciccarelli kozlov fedorov drake kennedy burr probert ysebaert primeau sheppard oh by the way start praying laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings the san francisco bay area media is reporting tonight that the detroit red wings beat the toronto maple leafs can someone who is not part of the media conspiracy against the leafs tell me how the game really went am expecting win for the leafs shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assists for gilmour if the leafs really lost how many penalties did whichever biased ref was at the game have to call against the leafs to let the red wings win ah yes california did the san francisco bay area media report that joe montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired san jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude but as playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay good comeback rog your quick wit and intelligence continues to amaze everyone john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder colorado edu pray for the wings to become lazy and overconfident the wings can only lose the series toronto cannot win it take away doug gilmour and the leafs are an old tampa bay right gerald and take away bob probert and the wings are dead octopuses the leafs deserve lot of credit for their diligent effort during the regular season but if detroit puts in reasonable effort this is not contest let wait for the body to get cold before we start in with the eulogies hm they have only lost one game the game was in detroit after all and potvin did not have his best evening nobody that saw thought that the leafs would sweep the wings it looks like it might go six the leafs will take the wings home advantage away in the next game cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time and ll give fuhr new one an honourable mention although haven seen it closely yet it looked good from distance this is the new buffalo one the second since he been with the sabres recall price tag of over just for the paint job on that mask and total price of almost ouch valerie hammerl birtday an event when friends get buffalo edu together set your dessert on fire then cc buffalo edu laugh and sing while you frantically try cc buffalo edu to blow it out in fact the tradition has been passed down to their affiliate in adirondack in gm of last yr finals an legged creature was hurled onto the frozen pond and landed right at the feet of ref lance roberts it may have been passed to toronto but ve even seen an octopus at the aud last year bruins sabres game knew all about the detroit version but seeing at the aud was bit puzzling valerie hammerl birtday an event when friends get buffalo edu together set your dessert on fire then cc buffalo edu laugh and sing while you frantically try cc buffalo edu to blow it out nooooooooooooooooo who the mindscheme behind this one ted simmons as the saying goes if it ain broke don fix it miles from home during the school year and will never be able to pick up dve at least now can sort of make out what mike and steigy say through all the static on kdka this just may be enough reason for me to transfer to duquesne and live at home who going to announce on dve anyway paulson and krenn just kidding george don kid around they just might listen kevin stamber purdue university waiting to hear free bird as the new penguins theme kevin stamber purdue university and phil kirzyc the kielbasa kid will roam the arena for interviews ok here the solution to your problem move to canada yesterday was able to watch four games the nj pitt at on abc la cal at cbc buff bos at tsn and fox and mon que at cbc think that if each series goes its max could be watching hockey playoffs for some odd consecutive nights haven counted so that pure guess the worst thing is that this is exactly what did last year had the rangers on msg and the two different games on scny and sca on at the same time yes rather have sc cover it just for the amount of coverage btw those abc commentaters were great was quite impressed they seemed to know that their audience wasn likely to be well schooled in hockey lore and they did an excellent job they were quite impartial also imo think thorne earns his money the best part is that he is the same way when he is earning his from sportschannel as the devils announcer unbiased he goes orgasmic for goals despite which team scores and even more excited if possible for great saves he did good job of explaining certain things to non hockey types without offending those of us who follow the sport unlike nbc clowns for the asg jpc ob playoff time flame bait don any of you pittsburgh fans tell me how mike lang is better maybe if he were little spontaneous rather than reading rehearsed lines of having nothing to do with hockey he would be better john curcio go bruins philips laboratories philips com scarborough road briarcliff manor ny kevin stamber purdue university and phil kirzyc the kielbasa kid will roam the arena for interviews woops this is rec sport hockey not rec sport golf hope you check the newsgroup header next time before posting steve steve lee university of western ontario london canada gaul csd uwo ca and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh mom chris chelios was montreal co captain with guy carbonneau when he was traded to chicago for denis savard and peter stastny was captain of the quebec nordiques when he was traded to new jersey also mark messier was captain of the edmonton oilers when he was traded to new york how about dale hawerchuk with winnipeg when he was traded to buffalo was he captain too think so should not forget wayne you know who when he was traded to he was captain didn they strip wendel clark of his captaincy in toronto buffalo seems to have started tradition of trading its captains pat lafontaine was awarded the captaincy when mike ramsey was forced to give it up ramsey now penguin ramsey inherited it from mike foligno who now leaf he in turn had inherited it from lindy ruff who went forget where ruff had it from perreault who retired so guess that where the streak started or did it after all danny gare was captain before him and he went to detroit jim scoenfeld gerry meehan and floyd smith are the others in reverse order last to first was bit young at the time so not sure of the fate of schoenfeld but he ultimately went to detroit and boston meehan went to vancouver atlanta and washington smith seems to have hung up his skates after buffalo but don know if the captaincy was removed before or after that or how many games he played for buffalo this is actually getting fascinating captaincy in buffalo is sure sign you re to be traded almost unless you re franchise player valerie hammerl birtday an event when friends get buffalo edu together set your dessert on fire then cc buffalo edu laugh and sing while you frantically try cc buffalo edu to blow it out the san francisco bay area media is reporting tonight that the detroit red wings beat the toronto maple leafs can someone who is not part of the media conspiracy against the leafs tell me how the game really went am expecting win for the leafs shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assists for gilmour if the leafs really lost how many penalties did whichever biased ref was at the game have to call against the leafs to let the red wings win ah yes california did the san francisco bay area media report that joe montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired san jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude but as playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay close roger but no banana er avocado or is it artichoke geracie in the murky news said kingston will be the new quarterback still trying to determine if he is kidding or not if happen to pound down enuff pints sometime this week ll go back and check what stooper idiot purdy said in his column that ought to be worth few leafs mean laughs if really depressed ll read the sf comicle mark just say mark spiegel lockheed com cow palace epicenter nj and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded nj resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other nj team captain trivia would be appreciated mike foligno was captain of the buffalo sabres when he was traded to toronto stephen legge ucs mun ca playoff leaders as of april player team gp pts pim lemieux pit juneau bos noonan chi mogilny buf neely bos brown stl jagr pit oates bos carson la hunter was stevens nj cullen tor hull stl khristich was linden van racine det shanahan stl sydor la yzerman det bure van coffey det drake det emerson stl courtnall van johansson was lapointe que niedermayer nj ramsey pit sandstrom la smehlik buf stevens pit adams van barr nj bellows mon burr det chiasson det craven van dahlquist cal dionne mon felsner stl ferraro nyi francis pit gilmour tor hannan buf heinze bos howe det huddy la king win lafontaine buf lefebvre tor mcsorley la millen la ronning van rucinsky que sakic que sheppard det steen win suter cal sweeney buf tipett pit yawney cal young que barnes win borschevsky tor brunet mon chelios chi ciccarelli det clark tor desjardins mon dipietro mon donnelly la driver nj duchesne que ellett tor elynuik was flatley nyi fleury cal gallant det gill tor granato la gretzky la guerin nj hawerchuk buf holik nj housley win janney stl brown chi khmylev buf krygier was larmer chi macinnis cal matteau chi mceachern pit mclean van mcrae stl mullen pit muller mon murphy pit murzyn van otto cal pearson tor pivonka was primeau det probert det reichel cal ricci que robitaille la roenick chi samuelsson pit semak nj shannon win shuchuk la sundin que sutter chi taylor la tocchet pit vaske nyi maurice richard how long can the leafs play short handed and still be expected to score they did some fine penely killing in the first men down for couple of minutes at one point but they just couldn keep it up they spent virtually the entire game either short handed or just coming off penelty as soon as they get re grouped they re penalized again sheesh like gilmour said after the you can go calling every little push an shove in game like that and if you re going to you have to do it for both teams pearson one of my four favorite leafs played like bonehead saw him personally screw up at least good scoring opportunities and then he got that bonehead minute major high sticking penalty cullen has gotten stronger since his return from injury hand full of games ago and he played good game if the other players on his line can smarten up that line should do okay clark got to get tough he got to intimidate and go for the net send clark up the left wing over the blue line couple times his patented wrist shot will put some numbers on the board and pearson heck maybe he should be benched hate to repeat grapes but where the heck was foligno zezel can do all the checking himself and get macllwain on the move we need some speed out there keep potvin in net he did okay considering although like said couple weeks ago potvin messed up in couple games in the ahl playoffs last year he can easily do it again my prediction last week was toronto in that the games det wins will be blow outs and the game tor wins will be close still stand by that don fret leafs fans in order to win in the other team has to win burns is going to make some magic he ll mix up some lines match the wings line per line he ll have his team checking hard and he ll never let them get out numbered in their own end the leafs will win wednesday night and will take or their home games probably the first one stephen leaf legge ucs mun ca during the detroit game mon night there were octopus thrown on the ice what is the meaning or symbolism here they used to throw fish on the ice here in spokane afew years ago never knew where this came from all these people who send in their polls should take closer look at njd they are very deep team with two very capable goalies and excellent forwards and defensemen shooter in richer an all around do it all in todd chef stasny master of thousand dishes power play kevin todd is an oiler and has been one for months how closely do you follow the devils anyway jeez alan are people here stupid or what it is tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is tie breaker how can there be different record man thought people in this net are good with hockey might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker then allow me to enlighten you rex you see there thing called tie tie is worth one point know know you re not good at math but bear with me win is worth two points so getting two ties is the same as getting one win if your team played two games won one and lost one you have two points if my team played two games and tied them both we also have two points we be tied in the standings even though our records are different perhaps you should learn something about hockey before posting again am starting to sound like roger or what alan all of this is fine never said that murray was bad gm merely said that he isn the best gm in hockey or even contender for that honor if murray is as great as you claim the wings would have won the stanley cup by now probably more than once if he was as great gm as you claim think you missed one of my points there it takes more than great gm to win stanley cup even once some of the guys on the list you gave earlier never won one agree that you and could probably argue back and forth for days to no avail about who is the best gm in hockey that is matter of opinion and who is to say my opinion is any better than yours or yours than mine but the point of my original original post if not well stated was that murray has the gm abilities but not the coaching abilities which leads to below and he was as poor coach as you claim he would have been intelligent enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success think at this point there personal emotional element involved here which transcends murray logical thought as outsiders it fine for us to say he should hire different coach in fact he has talked about doing so in the past but the press here in detroit at least has so built up this business about murray never getting past the second round of the playoffs as coach that think he has taken it upon himself to prove to the world that he is capable of coaching team past the second round he needs to as the papers say get that monkey off his back so it becomes matter not of intelligence but of pride is it foolish to let pride stand in the way of sound logic perhaps but we re all little that way from time to time think eventually he ll step down from behind the bench and concentrate on his gm duties and the team will improve as result think his coaching duties take away time he might have otherwise spent on gm work in that sense once he steps down as coach we ll see how good of gm he really is but murray is an average unspectacular nhl coach and pretty good gm so none of this is true anyway may not agree with everything you ve said but it been fun discussing it with you gregmeister randy can believe that espn is making sportschannel america look good but only in ny nj philadelphia and chicago everywhere else the only reason sportschannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts and local baseball pre empted the nhl playoffs thus far into this playoff season espn abc has given me more hockey in days game than sportschannel did games if people want hockey on tv they should watch hockey on tv bet the ratings for hockey on sunday on abc went into the toilet next week there will be far fewer abc affiliates with hockey someone in this thread said that he wouldn watch the games even if they were on tv and this is regular contributor xenophobes north of border needn fear the us americanization of our game because us americans will never figure out how to market hockey here support your team support your game mike eisler sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh their players are mighty bright too mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey aargh paul stewart is the worst and most biased ref presently in the nhl he called total of penalties on the habs and one on the nordiques the nords penalty came in stewart being an ex nordique himself was looking to call penalties on the habs while letting the nords get away with murder we was robbed no patrick roy is the reason the game was lost and ron hextall is the reason quebec won everybody said it would come down to goaltending that goaltending was the key etc etc well the key doesn quite fit if you re montreal don buy this at all roy was the reason the game was tied and that would not have been the case had dionne kept his cool hextall gave up very questionable goals himself both dionne and bellows shots were misplayed by hextall but just because his gaffes were early in the game no one seems to care roy stood on his head for the first minutes of the game when the nords were rushing from end to end kamensky mini break after the tying goal and the first shot by young in ot were both excellent chances stopped by roy roy outplayed hextall for most of the game but roy becomes the villain and hextall the hero because roy team didn make full use of their opportunities hextall on the other hand had lot of lucky bounces he played very well but the haller shot off the post in ot the rebound bouncing over bellows stick the brunet breakaway the chances for leclair all those opportunities were not finished off by montreal and it cost them hextall wasn particularly brilliant on those plays blaming stewart is just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that roy allowed what was one of the worst goals he could possibly allow he even saw the whole shot dammit sure no excuse but it was just the goal the timing stank but against an explosive team like quebec they gave them opportunity too many with powerplay that was totally unnecessary montreal played solid game although they still don know how to clear traffic in front of the net the loss of schneider will hurt even more disagree roy played well because he wasn screened the whole night the defense for the time this season played remarkably keeping sakic nolan and sundin out of the slot most of the night normally would say that any team that blows goal lead with less than five let alone two minutes to go in regulation time in playoff game especially needs to be smacked upside their collective heads but don think this was team loss although keane should have been able to clear the zone just prior to the first quebec goal this most certainly was team loss leclair missed his opportunities as did bellows and brunet dionne took bad penalty damphousse and lebeau were silent carbonneau and savard were step behind all night roy gave up the bad goal roy by no means can be singled out for this loss roy is paid big money to play he looked like player in an industrial league on sakic shot and hextall didn on dionne goal please roy is paid big money because that is his value compared to other goalies and he still is in the top when you consider the defense or lack of one that played in front of him for most of the season demers should start racicot in the next game if not that he should let the damn team read the papers for the next day or two and maybe this article if possible the montreal media is the quickest to heap praise and then hurl derogatory comments against the habs they are no better than uninformed fans why should they read the papers they played minutes of burnsian hockey to shut down quebec all they need tonight and for the rest of the series is the extra red light to face quebec rubbish that guaranteed way to end the series who would be taught lesson by this the fans the media and racicot perhaps certainly not the rest of the team didn think the wrap around was as bad as the second goal also didn think scott young should have gotten around the defender can remember who in the first place but you are correct it shouldn have gone in regardless if you mean the goal should never have gone in because there should never have been an ot then agree but the goal itself was great piece of work by young roy had both the near and far posts covered but young flipped the puck up under roy arm as he wrapped around the net not bad goal at all yaska toronto edu dept of electrical computer engineering sankar university of toronto toronto canada in article bgsu edu bgsu edu george pavlic wrote sorry to everyone for wasting space matt the other day you posted that you were doing mailing list of playoff stats lost your address please put me on that list thanks george sorry again guess you need my address bgsu edu woops this is rec sport hockey not rec sport golf hope you check the newsgroup header next time before posting steve lee university of western ontario london canada gaul csd uwo ca actually steve think he was refering to the leafs and when they can be expected to hit the greens acadia axemen ciau champions donald acadiau ca yeah the news is true the leafs lost to the wings wish could say seen the whole game but my husband wanted to watch young guns ii on another channel sometime between the first time tuned in and saw the leafs tie and the next time tuned in and heard the score was something happened please no woofing from red wings fans they re my third favourite team and if they make it past the leafs ll wish them luck as for potvin well it was his fist playoff game susan carroll clark who likes anyone doug gilmour plays for think that jack ferreira firing eventually led to kingston firing you mention consistency of vision think the sharks lost that with the loss of ferreira there has never been headed that has ever worked you need one person making the personnel decisions at the top not management by committee the conventional wisdom from around the league is that ferreira would have made the moves that would have fielded better product on the ice how exactly would ferreira accomplished this the three headed gm ship has taken lot of heat but nobody explained how things would have been any different had ferreira still been there would ferreira have made more trades who would have he had traded would he have made fewer trades who should not have been traded think the three headed gm guiding principle was to keep veterans in favor of youngsters only if they offered significant advantage at the end of last season the contracts of several veterans with somewhat maginal contributions fenton bozek anderson and couple others can remember were bought out the idea was that youngsters could play almost as well and had the potential to improve where these older guys did not and they traded mullen because he wanted to go not because he wasn good enough but think they were bit too optimistic in thinking they could make up for his contributions an example from this season skriko was brought in on trial basis but not kept because of his age thought he was decent contributor worth keeping around the youth movement has its advantages look at gaudreau who might still be in kc if more veterans had been kept around but you have to find the right balance steve cole stanford edu apple sep steve department of geophysics stanford university stanford ca might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can believe people actually put win as first in tie breaker well don see any smileys here am trying to figure out if the poster is dog or wordprocessor couldn be neither both are smarter than this might not be great in math cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time roger lecture someone on not using smileys what sweet hipocracy koz lets go caps here are the standings after game of each of the divisional semi finals hey look who ll try to post the standings after each game every two days managed to recover the email lost up to saturday night so all missing is mail that arrived between early saturday morning and sunday afternoon many people re sent their teams so you may have received two replies 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ends beam team jukurit chapman sticks ken de cruyenaere gax goons tampere salami sparky select hillside raiders eldoret elephants jane world the alarmers rolaids required chip dale brian bergman killer kings montys nords arsenal maple leafs martin gag equipe du jour lisa luggers andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old today at the world championships in munich canada scored an impressive victory over the defending world champs sweden believe that was rod brind amour scored at of the third kevin white cc hollandc pe ca allen larsen university of victoria uvic ca to those who are wondering what is happening in minnesota in the area are trying to get new hockey team columnist for the st paul pioneer press wrote an article giving the inside scoop on the issue there are three local sites competing for team and three possible candiates to move to the twin cities first the sites target center civic center st paul and yes even the met center the columnist was pretty confident that minnesota will get team and that the target center will ultimately win out he argued however that the competition from the other two sites will delay the process considerably without the inter site competition the columnist sorry can remember his name believes that minnesota would have team by the season also because of the situation with the timberwolves things will be delayed until unless the city of minneapolis takes over the target center however they are unlikely to do so until the met center is destroyed because the city will lose money if there is competition from the met for conventions and short term events even with hockey at target to add to this mess study to months is going to be conducted on the future viability of the met center which obviously delays the process even further hope that the study is cancelled which will have the effect of knocking the met center out of the running and perhaps encouraging minneapolis to take over the target center sooner the city would be be even more encourged if the wrecking ball is taken to the met which may happen regarding possible candidates the three teams are hartford tampa bay and new jersey would prefer the devils minnesota ice demons although the lightning may have potential although it hasn been announced yet it looks like neutral site games will be played at the target center next year apparently the devils are interested in playing in as many of those six games as possible and wouldn be surprised to see hartford and tampa show up there either so minnesota may end up getting another team but it may take few years go sabres robert andolina former buffalonian living in minneapolis umn edu cc columbia edu gary dare says mean that the original poster was looking for devils victory on the tape delay and it didn happen in game was the original poster and it was just complaint about the coverage meaningless yankee game before playoff devils game oh apologize then misinterpreted you no problem no offence taken of all the teams in the patrick least dislike the devils it is sad just as lover of the sport that this team can be in the metro new york area for over decade and still exist as just non entity how is espn coverage anyways think it starts tonight we re getting the sabres bruins as the replacement game and probably so are you while the devils penguins game is played on scny and the islanders caps are the overflow game on the sca scny plus if the sabres bruins ends early then we ll go to the devils penguins game assuming that espn follows their previous patterns we got the last minute of the islanders rangers and all of the overtime two weeks ago espn coverage started last night by accident but as one or more other writers have pointed out they could ve gone to wild hog wrestling for the evening instead gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley can believe that espn is making sportschannel america look good but only in ny nj philadelphia and chicago everywhere else the only reason sportschannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts yes point well taken however even in areas that finally got some games there something nagging in the back of your skull when the network that has the national rights in its pocket says on its sports news there an awesome overtime going on in quebec city and we ll try to get you an update through the show when you know that it on satellite feedhorn somewhere up there if people want hockey on tv they should watch hockey on tv bet the ratings for hockey on sunday on abc went into the toilet and the kings flames got on the west coast but only in metro new york the devils squandered their newfound support from year ago when they played the rangers in comparison seniors golf did better next week there will be far fewer abc affiliates with hockey fear that the overall national numbers will not be so great can tell if abc did any advance marketing or not cos don watch much tv the nhl should have made sure that it was solid on cable before going on the air even espn could ve sold second rights to third party systems non sportschannel since they are not making any extra money by sitting on the games hockey fans will not necessarily be watching pre season beach volleyball if playoffs games aren being shown somewhere gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley am in need of all of the players wearing in the nhl know now only of one ray borque for the bruins any help would be greatly appreciated thanx the logistician reigns supreme go blue go tigers go pistons go lions go red wings wpi edu agree it was great for the espn people to show the detroit game my roommate just about sh when they threw the octopus on the ice thanks for explaining the significance of that btw the only problem had was when they blotted out the local commentators with the baseball ads and music especially when the wings player hit the rut and went into the boards injuring his shoulder and they blotted out the injury report other then that hats off to espn now if they ll only make habit of this yeah right baseball seasons started zzzzzz koz lets go caps hell is anderson anderson can in days past get under peoples skin put little more bluntly anderson has to be an asshole he used to be good at it we need him now agreed anderson was nowhere last night well what do you expect burns was playing him with krushelnyski and baumgartner anderson is finisher unless you play him with someone to can get him the puck in finishing position he ain going to do much scoring gerald this is general question for us readers how extensive is the playoff coverage down there in canada it is almost impossible not to watch series on tv ie the only two series have not had an opportunity to watch this year are wash nyi and chi stl the latter because in the wrong time zone we in canada are basically swamped with coverage and wonder how many series games are televised nationally or even locally in the us and how much precedence they take over say local news if the games go into double ot email me so as not to waste bandwidth please my news feed is kind of slow anyways game two of the detroit toronto series will be rougher game believe that clark will be coming out hitting on all cylindars believe that probert will take exception to this and fight between clark and probert will result know this sounds kind of ridiculous but know game two toronto will come out hitting any takers on this issue hi all due to living in the bay area as unable to see vancouver victory over the jets last night know the score but that rarely describes the game could someone please post brief sonapsis sp of waht happened how well did each team play were the cannucks deserving of the victory also could some kind soul please email me the end of season individual player stats greg vancouver for the cup in virtual reality jason cockroft eng sun com wrote what are the leafs to do am leaf supporter and say the leafs are going down in four unless there is nothing short of miracle or stroke of genenius hits root for another team andreychuck and borchevsky have no business playing against the wings they are too small the key to any leafs success will have to be clark he is the only centre who can have andreychuk is not small slow and sloth like maybe but he is about and that is not what would consider as small as an aside the big andreychunk as call him has been known to disappear come playoff time this was one of his main problems when playing for buffalo go leafs go sabres blaszyk mail ssd kodak com mail eastman kodak plant bldg mc rochester new york you can but good luck trying jim cmu edu nntp posting host andrew cmu edu in reply to cmu edu from anna matyas now if we could just clone chelios personality and transplant it into all of the defensemen on the islanders capitals and devils gerald in other words you want to turn them all into assholes so they will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of misconducts and this comes from chelios fan yeah and also be second in the team in scoring and play about minutes game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the best defenseman in the league take whole team of chelioses if could that way when one got penalty the others could kill it ralph how to beat pittsburgh mario lemieux death too much kimo slash to skull ask the rangers slashing his wrist ii jaromir jagr deportation send him back to whatever commie country he from tell him that bill clinton is going too iii kevin stevens fighting call bob probert call tie domi call my grandmother she kick his ass since everybody wants to see pittsburgh players not playing the stanley cup would be devaluated iskander ayari email iskander fr ou fr thanks for the goals by steve smith don see why more people don blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith put in his own net it common to play the puck back to your own goalie when deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team if fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line came out from behind his own net and fired breakout pass that hit fuhr in the back of the leg fuhr was backing up at the time and never saw what happened the puck went straight off fuhr leg and into the net fuhr never had chance there was no play back to the goaltender in fact perry berezan of calgary had just dumped it in and smith was retrieving it it was unfortunate that it happened smith is nice guy and was only rookie at the time and on his birthday too but all the blame lies with him starting in pee wee coaches tell players never to make cross ice pass in front of their own net too much chance of having it intercepted or hitting the goaltender or whatever and to the people who say that smith cost the oilers the series can only say that he certainly didn cause the team to lose the other three games there was no reason for powerhouse team like edmonton to be tied late in the third period of the game of the second round everybody on the team has to take responsibility for them even being in that situation alan was wtahcing right guard hockey week on tsn yesterday and they had feature on this guy that does lot most of the masks for nhl goalies they talked about how they are made what they are made of and the designs that are put on them etc the best one of all was one he never talked about he just held it up it has the current leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking black panther on the forehead it has to be new mask for felix potvin but he never said whose it was are you sure this program was current know that grant fuhr had black panther on the forehead of his mask when he played with the leafs it would seem logical that the mask is potvins his nickname is the cat which would go long ways towards explaining the panther of course it could be an old story and the mask is fuhrs too alan does anyone have the nhl standings for march need them immediately for project please post or email thanks andy hillery school of architecture state university of new york at buffalo thanks for the goals by steve smith don see why more people don blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith put in his own net it common to play the puck back to your own goalie when deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team if fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line mike mcdowell have to disagree with you on this one it is anything but common in the or years have been watching hockey have never seen this happen ever am not sure what league you have been watching anyone else agree with this yes colin have to agree with you here ve put the puck in my own net the same way smith did only once mind you and it was definitely my fault it is not common play to play the puck the way that smith did luckily for me when did it it was only scrimmage craig by dave luecking of the post dispatch staff at thursday night the scoreboard watchers at the arena began to cheer their cheer quickly turned into roar and finally the sellout crowd of rose as one to rock the old barn at oakland avenue in salute to the playoff bound blues the scoreboard had just flashed the news from detroit red wings stars with the north stars loss the blues officially clinched fourth place and the final playoff spot in the norris division good thing because the blues quit playing they held lead over tampa bay when the detroit minnesota final appeared with minutes remaining in the second period they promptly went to sleep and barely held on for victory that nearly slipped away at the buzzer tampa bob beers tipped in pass from shawn chambers but officiating supervisor john amico and video goal judge rich schweigler ruled that the shot had gone into the net after time had expired glad didn see it go in at the end blues coach bob berry said if the goal had counted he have been more upset than he was by the blues disappearance in the final minutes holding on for the victory and making the playoffs tempered berry anger it wasn pretty at the end he said we played great minutes as good as we played all year it slipped away at the end it shouldn have but it did still the blues won prompting another ovation from the crowd at game end despite their shoddy effort in the third period and all the turmoil this season the blues still made the playoffs they ll meet the chicago blackhawks in best of seven norris division semifinal beginning at noon sunday at chicago stadium the blues finished the regular season with record of for points their fourth consecutive plus season minnesota finished three points behind in fifth place with record of for points tampa bay which played spoiler last week by tying the blues at tampa ended its first season with record of for points the poor finish cast an unnecessary shadow over what should have been joyous blues locker room instead the mood was one of relief and some disappointment it shame we let down said kevin miller one of three blues to score two goals brendan shanahan and bob bassen were the others there was no need for letdown if we have kept working it would have ended and everyone would be happy instead lot of players were happy just to make the playoffs we won and that all that matters said brett hull scoreless and minus for the night once we got up it was really tough to play some players didn have problem just because the score was announced our line didn quit said rich sutter who played with bassen and miller we still had game to play you can allow five goals like we did that not right it was disappointing to see what was going on bassen was almost frantic on the bench because of the blues effort somehow he missed the announcement of minnesota loss didn know it was final he said was kind of looking around on the bench didn realize it was final for some reason we re in the playoffs and that great but it little disappointing to play like we did at the end the letdown was precisely the reason that berry had instructed the scoreboard operators to keep the minnesota detroit score off of the board the score showed until it first popped up with detroit leading in the third period the blues already led at the time told them didn want to see the score didn want to know the score berry said felt we had to win the game and that the approach we took if minnesota took lead berry feared the pressure of having to win might bother the blues if detroit led he worried the blues might quit until the announcement the blues played splendidly shanahan got the crowd going at of the first period scoring his of the season then miller and bassen took charge late in the period with the teams playing four on four miller broke in on left wing deked defenseman roman hamrlik and beat former blues goalie pat jablonski with the rebound of his own shot with seconds remaining in the period then just seconds later bassen rifled long slap shot past jablonski after defenseman rick zombo intercepted tampa pass in the neutral zone bassen made it just seconds into the second period scoring on the rebound of bret hedican shot the goal gave him his first two goal game of the season and reminded him of special friend last year bassen befriended young oliver mulvihill who died of rare form of cancer at age on feb was thinking of my buddy oliver bassen said he in heaven now and know he was watching know he happy miller increased the blues lead to on break away goal set up by zombo at then steve maltais broke curtis joseph shutout just seconds later making it less than minute after the north stars final was announced tim bergland scored and cut the lead to but shanahan scored his converting pass from nelson emerson with seconds remaining in the second period then it was all lightning adam creighton scored seconds into the third period prompting berry to rest the overworked joseph guy hebert allowed goals to shawn chambers and danton cole in span of midway through the third period the goals by chambers and cole made shanahan second goal stand up as the winner we were in there shanahan said the game was over we were in joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues nhl results for games played standings patrick adams norris smythe tm pt tm pt tm pt tm pt xpit xbos xchi xvan ywas yque ydet ycal ynj ymon ytor yla ynyi ybuf stl ywin phl har min edm nyr ott tb sj clinched division title clinched playoff berth boston bruins ottawa senators period bos roberts juneau bos wiemer juneau oates period bos neely juneau murphy bos hughes richer kimble ott archibald rumble lamb period ott boschman kudelski powerplay opportunities bruins of senators of shots on goal bruins senators boston bruins moog shots saves blue second shots saves ottawa senators sidorkiewicz shots saves berthiaume third shots saves att washington capitals new york rangers period none period none period was bondra pivonka cavallini was bondra cote pivonka powerplay opportunities capitals of rangers of shots on goal capitals rangers washington capitals tabaracci shots saves new york rangers richter shots saves att new york islanders hartford whalers period nyi ferraro malakhov king nyi hogue thomas turgeon har yake poulin har yake nylander poulin period har verbeek cassels weinrich pp nyi thomas king ferraro period har burt sanderson cassels nyi malakhov hogue overtime har janssens poulin powerplay opportunities islanders of whalers of shots on goal islanders whalers new york islanders fitzpatrick shots saves hartford whalers lenaduzzi shots saves att pittsburgh penguins new jersey devils period pit daniels needham tippett njd lemieux semak driver pit stevens tocchet murphy pp njd zelepukin driver niedermayer period pit lemieux stevens tocchet njd semak lemieux zelepukin pit mceachern jagr barrasso njd stevens guerin pellerin pit lemieux sh njd richer nicholls njd lemieux semak zelepukin period pit mullen jagr lemieux overtime none powerplay opportunities penguins of devils of shots on goal penguins devils pittsburgh penguins barrasso shots saves new jersey devils billington shots saves att spike thanks for the goals by steve smith don see why more people don blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith put in his own net it common to play the puck back to your own goalie when deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team if fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line mike mcdowell have to disagree with you on this one it is anything but common in the or years have been watching hockey have never seen this happen ever am not sure what league you have been watching anyone else agree with this colin layfield religion and sex are power plays manipulate the people for the money they pay the university of calgary selling skin selling god computer science the numbers look the same on their credit cards ucalgary ca queensryche united states tv schedule april devils islanders at pittsburgh est abc to eastern time zone april st louis at chicago cdt abc to cent mou time zones april los angeles at calgary pdt abc to pacific time zone april devils islanders at pittsburgh espn april tba espn april tba espn does anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where local broadcast rights are being protected really love to see the bruins couple times and with this pro patrick bias shown by espn something tells me that will have to wait until the conference finals to see them jpc john curcio go bruins philips laboratories philips com scarborough road briarcliff manor ny well now that the hawks have won the division the road is little easier for the playoffs let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of each other while chicago sweeps st louis that just makes it easier in the second round with all the rest they will get and tor det getting none for the conf champ they will have hard time versus the division but that div will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the hawks again then bring pitt and sure the hawks will probably lose but its better to get that far and lose than to not go brian hopefully miracle not quite miracle but close will occur and pittsburgh will be elminated prior to the finals if they make it again they will probably keep the cup if they don it the hawks turn go blackhawks congrats to jeremy roenick for being only the hawks player to post back to back goal seasons scott well now that the hawks have won the division the road is little easier for the playoffs let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of each other while chicago sweeps st louis that just makes it easier in brian don be so sure the blues played the hawks pretty well this season and won twice at the stadium the blues will give the hawks hard time this series is one of the best first round matchups could go either way the hawks will probably prevail in seven games joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues philadelphia buffalo first period philadelphia recchi galley lindros second period philadelphia hawgood dineen eklund pp philadelphia dineen mcgill sh buffalo barnaby hawerchuk smehlik pp buffalo wood lafontaine ledyard pp buffalo mogilny hawerchuk carney pp third period philadelphia eklund dineen beranek buffalo mogilny errey lafontaine philadelphia dineen brind amour pp philadelphia dineen brind amour galley sh philadelphia acton dineen brind amour philadelphia power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts acton beranek brind amour dineen eklund galley hawgood lindros mcgill recchi buffalo power play scorer pts barnaby carney errey hawerchuk lafontaine ledyard mogilny smehlik wood minnesota detroit first period minnesota mcphee ludwig second period minnesota dahlen courtnall gagner pp detroit drake howe ogrodnick detroit ysebaert lidstrom howe pp third period detroit ciccarelli coffey chiasson pp detroit kennedy burr probert detroit yzerman ciccarelli gallant minnesota dahlen courtnall gagner detroit power play scorer pts burr chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake gallant howe kennedy lidstrom ogrodnick probert ysebaert yzerman minnesota power play scorer pts courtnall dahlen gagner ludwig mcphee edmonton winnipeg first period winnipeg shannon steen davydov pp second period winnipeg selanne olausson winnipeg zhamnov selanne third period no scoring winnipeg power play scorer pts davydov olausson selanne shannon steen zhamnov edmonton power play no scoring toronto chicago first period toronto baumgartner unassisted second period chicago roenick murphy chelios toronto andreychuk mironov lefebvre chicago murphy roenick chelios pp third period chicago matteau unassisted error power play goal mismatch assuming calc value error team toronto calc read chicago power play scorer pts chelios matteau murphy roenick toronto power play scorer pts andreychuk baumgartner lefebvre mironov first period st louis shanahan brown felsner st louis miller bassen brown st louis bassen zombo second period st louis bassen hedican miller st louis miller zombo hedican tampa bay maltais hamrlik tampa bay bergland hervey gilhen st louis shanahan emerson third period tampa bay creighton bergland bergevin tampa bay chambers zamuner cole tampa bay cole beers bradley st louis power play scorer pts bassen brown emerson felsner hedican miller shanahan zombo tampa bay power play scorer pts beers bergevin bergland bradley chambers cole creighton gilhen hamrlik hervey maltais zamuner san jose calgary first period no scoring second period san jose garpenlov odgers gaudreau pp calgary nieuwendyk macinnis suter pp calgary ranheim otto suter calgary yawney nieuwendyk roberts calgary berube paslawski skrudland third period san jose wood odgers kisio calgary reichel unassisted calgary roberts musil paslawski pp san jose kisio unassisted calgary paslawski ashton stern calgary power play scorer pts ashton berube macinnis musil nieuwendyk otto paslawski ranheim reichel roberts skrudland stern suter yawney san jose power play scorer pts garpenlov gaudreau kisio odgers wood vancouver los angeles first period los angeles robitaille gretzky sandstrom vancouver babych craven nedved pp los angeles sandstrom gretzky robitaille second period vancouver linden ronning courtnall pp vancouver ward hunter nedved los angeles gretzky sandstrom robitaille los angeles zhitnik kurri robitaille pp los angeles millen hardy pp third period vancouver ronning dirk vancouver ronning courtnall linden pp vancouver linden courtnall ronning los angeles donnelly millen granato pp vancouver courtnall ronning ratushny vancouver ronning linden diduck en vancouver power play special goals pp en total scorer pts babych courtnall craven diduck dirk hunter linden nedved ratushny ronning ward los angeles power play scorer pts donnelly granato gretzky hardy kurri millen robitaille sandstrom zhitnik here are the results after three days of voting remember for for and for also you can still turn in votes and if the guy isn regular goalie or he is retired please include the team thanks for your time and keep on sending in those votes player team pts votes brian hayward san jose andy moog boston curtis joseph st louis ed belfour chicago gerry cheevers boston retired manon rheaume atlanta ihl ron hextall quebec don beaupre washington others receiving vote artus irbe sj tim cheveldae det clint malarchuck buf sd ihl grant fuhr buf rick wamsley tor ret jon casey minn john vanbiesbrouck nyr ken dryden mon ret bob essensa win mike vernon cal glenn healy nyi tommy soderstron ray leblanc usa go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu calder cup playoff schedule and results home team in caps if necesary first round springfield indians vs providence bruins gm springfield providence gm springfield providence gm providence at springfield cd islanders vs adirondack red wings gm last night cdi at adirondack gm cdi at adirondack gm adirondack at cdi gm adirondack at cdi gm cdi at adirondack gm adirondack at cdi gm cdi at adirondack baltimore skipjacks at binghamton rangers gm baltimore at binghamton gm baltimore at binghamton gm binghamton at baltimore gm binghamton at baltimore gm baltimore at binghamton gm binghmaton at baltimore gm baltimore at binghamton utica devils vs rochester americans gm utica at rochester gm utica at rochester gm rochester at utica gm rochester at utica gm utica at rochester gm rochester at utica gm utica at rochester moncton hawks vs st john maple leafs gm st john moncton gm moncton vs st john at halifax gm st john at moncton cape breton oilers vs fredericton canadiens gm fredericton cape breton gm cape breton at fredericton unfortunately the newspaper didnt list complete playoff skeds for series that already began also the paper has not listed final standings so their posting might be delayed until early next week hockey news bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockey go usa hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu congrats to the boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions the ottwawa senators fired mel bridgman at pm today randy sexton is gonna replace him trashy move from trashy organization after the front office stated that nobody would lose their job over the sens poor performance bridgeman is gone within hours of the teams final game yes know he screwed up letting the king grab loach sexton qualifications aside from being cheap he played some us college hockey he pals with club president bruce firestone just the kind of experience you need when trying to build an expansion franchise he ll probably be in the hall of fame next year this continues tradition of front office gaffs paul anka and the arena deal denis potvin and the gm postion mike bossy and the scoring coach how do people in ottawa feel about how the club is being run stephane lacelle brian down toronto edu ve heard that you can score on belfour by shooting high because he goes down lot and on potvin by shooting high on him and then getting the rebound in because he plays so deep in the net any truth to these brad wings fan but no predictions it is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the net who really cares who you think will win please stop with the predictions we all know the caps are going to win the cup so let it go at that david kaupang ncsu edu yeah but first they have to deal with the devils who ve had their number all year not saying the caps aren good team they ve been thorn on the habs side for the past years just that they won get past nj paul yatrou telecom uquebec ca running my pool today wish me luck farewell minnesota fans get stuffed dallas stars as the north stars fade to black hope that minneapolis st paul are not long without an nhl team it just seems right that the hotbed of amateur hockey in the usa should have an nhl team as well the loss of the team is certainly not the fault of the fans though the start of the season made it look real bad for while wish now that kept the north stars cap bought at maple leaf gardens the morning after they eliminated montreal in got it to spite the montreal fans in the small town where grew up what glorious season that was for the north stars dwarf jim jordan don mean to tell you how to live bnr ca internet your life that what the tv for work for bnr do not speak for it but if didn believe in jesus be going to hell peter heath here are the results after three days of voting remember for for and for also you can still turn in votes and if the guy isn regular goalie or he is retired please include the team thanks for your time and keep on sending in those votes glenn healy nyi tommy soderstron ray leblanc usa soderstrom plays with philly but he doesn have moulded mask he got the helmet and cage variety in white or at least that what he wore thirteen hours ago valerie hammerl some days have to remind him he not buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks on claude cc buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for the devils but cc buffalo edu known for taking dumb penalties senators sold stuff deleted the senators are currently in serious negotiations with charlottetown new brunswick and are expected to move there it has been announced that the senators will move their ahl franchise to charlottetown prince edward island not new brunswick charlie cook cs unb ca ok guys need list of the teams who have been hot or cold during the last games doesn need to be accurate rough guess will do about to enter playoff pool and want to know who is hot going into the playoffs don need to mention pittsburgh they can get any hotter than they are now need this by sunday yvon lavoie game of adirondack cdi adirondack leads series first round springfield indians vs providence bruins gm springfield providence gm springfield providence gm providence at springfield gm providence at springfield gm springfield at providence gm providence at springfield gm springfield at providence cd islanders vs adirondack red wings gm adirondack cdi gm cdi at adirondack gm adirondack at cdi gm adirondack at cdi gm cdi at adirondack gm adirondack at cdi gm cdi at adirondack baltimore skipjacks at binghamton rangers gm baltimore at binghamton gm baltimore at binghamton gm binghamton at baltimore gm binghamton at baltimore gm baltimore at binghamton gm binghmaton at baltimore gm baltimore at binghamton utica devils vs rochester americans gm utica at rochester gm utica at rochester gm rochester at utica gm rochester at utica gm utica at rochester gm rochester at utica gm utica at rochester moncton hawks vs st john maple leafs gm st john moncton gm moncton vs st john at halifax gm st john at moncton gm st john at moncton gm moncton vs st john at halifax gm st john at moncton gm moncton vs st john at halifax cape breton oilers vs fredericton canadiens gm fredericton cape breton gm cape breton at fredericton gm fredericton at cape breton gm fredericton at cape breton gm cape breton at fredericton gm fredericton at cape breton gm cape breton at fredericton bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockey go usa hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu congrats to the boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions jagr has higher but francis has had more points and take it from an informed observer ronnie francis has had much better season than jaromir jagr this is not to take anything away from jaro who had decent year although it didn live up to the expectations of some bowman tended to overplay francis at times because he is bowman style player he plays hard at all times doesn disregard his defensive responsibilities and is good leader bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display me first attitude this rubbed bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time throughout the year francis consistently recieved more ice time than jagr althouhg have never seen stats on this subject am pretty sure that jagr had more points per minute played that francis when you add to that jagr better rating think it becomes evident that jagr had better season not that francis had bad one gregmeister my vote goes to john vanbiesbrouck his mask has skyline of new york city and on the sides there are bunch of bees beezer it looks really sharp funny you should mention this one time on hnic don cherry pointed out vanbiesbrouck mask he hated it think he said something to the effect of you see he was great last year now he goes out and gets that dopey mask and he can stop beachball you may or may not take cherry seriously at all but cracked up when heard it think ed belfour has the current best mask in the nhl btw also like moog and ll give fuhr new one an honourable mention although haven seen it closely yet it looked good from distance what also neat is chevaldae in detroit they call him chevy so he has two checkered flags painted at the top as in an auto race let me give my two cents worth in this whole thing am very sick of pittsburg fans and they are my second favorite team talk about how why can bruins forget about ulf samuelsson when we have forgotten all about adam graves beside the obvious fact that lemeuix career was never endangered by graves slash while neely is still bother by his injury think the most important reason is adam graves has played clean hockey ever since while ulf samulesson continues to play dirty yes trying to hit player where he injured is dirty fans have can forget about one dirty play but how can you forget about ulf samulesson when everynight when watch hockey high lights get reminded of how dirty he is hitting player when he injured is dirty can you explain this statement do you mean player who was just injured on the ice or do you mean player who is playing hurt if player is hurt he should not bother playing because don belive any player should be let up on just because they are playing hurt not an ulf fan but at least can spot the fact he is like calgary theoren fleury in the respect that part of his game is to really piss other players off as that part of his job but he lacks ulf size am an ulf and pgh fan and what pisses me off about the whole adam graves ulf samuesson debate is that ulf plays hard hitting hockey nothing wrong with that while graves does what he does when the only way to win game is to intentionally hurt someone which bites players that really piss me off are the ones who insist on hitting from behind or try to go for the knees to injure the players this kind of garbage has got to go would really like to see muni get pasted as he is one of the worst offenders thought they had instituted all kinds of new rules this season to stop crap like that is it just me or does the officiating just still stink to high heaven imho if they could get rid of the existing refs and institute new system with more than one ref on the ice to keep an eye on the trouble makers then lot of these things would stop and then the game would be ruled by the finnesse players mario selanne bure messier et al just my colin layfield religion and sex are power plays manipulate the people for the money they pay the university of calgary selling skin selling god computer science the numbers look the same on their credit cards ucalgary ca queensryche tim drozinski embry riddle aero univ db erau edu nhl results for games played standings patrick adams norris smythe tm pt tm pt tm pt tm pt xpit xbos xchi xvan ywas yque ydet ycal ynj ymon ytor yla ynyi ybuf ystl ywin phl har min edm nyr ott tb sj clinched division title clinched playoff berth minnesota north stars detroit red wings period min mcphee ludwig period min dahlen courtnall gagner pp det drake howe ogrodnick det ysebaert lidstrom howe pp period det ciccarelli coffey chiasson pp det kennedy burr probert det yzerman ciccarelli gallant min dahlen courtnall gagner powerplay opportunities north stars of red wings of shots on goal north stars red wings minnesota north stars casey shots saves detroit red wings cheveldae shots saves att philadelphia flyers buffalo sabres period phl recchi galley lindros period phl hawgood dineen eklund pp phl dineen mcgill sh buf barnaby hawerchuk smehlik pp buf wood lafontaine ledyard pp buf mogilny hawerchuk carney pp period phl eklund dineen beranek buf mogilny errey lafontaine phl dineen brind amour pp phl dineen brind amour galley sh phl acton dineen brind amour powerplay opportunities flyers of sabres of shots on goal flyers sabres philadelphia flyers soderstrom shots saves buffalo sabres fuhr shots saves hasek second shots saves att edmonton oilers winnipeg jets period win shannon steen davydov pp period win selanne olausson win zhamnov selanne period none powerplay opportunities oilers of jets of shots on goal oilers jets edmonton oilers ranford shots saves winnipeg jets essensa shots saves att toronto maple leafs chicago blackhawks period tor baumgartner period chi roenick murphy chelios tor andreychuk mironov lefebvre chi murphy roenick chelios pp period chi matteau powerplay opportunities maple leafs of blackhawks of shots on goal maple leafs blackhawks toronto maple leafs potvin shots saves chicago blackhawks belfour shots saves att tampa bay lightning st louis blues period stl shanahan brown felsner stl miller bassen brown stl bassen zombo period stl bassen hedican miller stl miller zombo hedican tbl maltais hamrlik tbl bergland harvey gilhen tbl shanahan emerson period tbl creighton bergland bergevin tbl chambers zamuner cole tbl cole beers bradley powerplay opportunities lightning of blues of shots on goal lightning blues tampa bay lightning jablonski shots saves bergeron third shots saves st louis blues joseph shots saves hebert third shots saves att san jose sharks calgary flames period none period sjs garpenlov odgers gaudreau pp cal nieuwendyk macinnis suter pp cal ranheim otto suter cal yawney nieuwendyk roberts cal berube paslawski skrudland period sjs wood odgers kisio cal reichel cal roberts musil paslawski pp sjs kisio cal paslawski ashton stern powerplay opportunities sharks of flames of shots on goal sharks flames san jose sharks irbe shots saves calgary flames vernon shots saves att vancouver canucks los angeles kings period lak robitaille gretzky sandstrom van babych craven nedved pp lak sandstrom gretzky robitaille period van linden ronning courtnall pp van ward hunter nedved lak gretzky sandstrom robitaille lak zhitnik kurri robitaille pp lak millen hardy pp period van ronning dirk van ronning courtnall linden pp van linden courtnall ronning lak donnelly millen granato pp van courtnall ronning ratushny van ronning linden diduck en powerplay opportunities canucks of kings of shots on goal canucks kings vanocuver canucks whitmore shots saves los angeles kings stauber shots saves hrudey third shots saves att spike fine year history came to close tonight as the minnesota north stars or norm stars whichever you prefer lost to the red wings by score of the stars goals were scored by mike mcphee and ulf dahlen who netted two including the final one in franchise history with less than minute to play this is very sad indeed my condolences to the minnesota fans who are losing their team fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team left in pittsburgh will be the steelers we should always enjoy things when we can you never know when they ll be taken away from us mom especially when the wings player hit the rut and went into the boards injuring his shoulder and they blotted out the injury report the wings player was yves racine and he returned later in that same period mike when is the draft this year and will there be any coverage know the upcomming nfl draft is on espn anyone got the details paul kariya pick no perhaps he won last long don know the exact coverage in the states in canada it is covered by tsn so maybe espn will grab their coverage don know as for the picks ottawa picks which means it is almost that alexander daigle will go he ll either stay or be traded in montreal or quebec imo would take kariya he should alot of leadership in the ncaa and so far in the world championships daigle didn show this for his junior team san jose will then get kariya tampa bay will either go for russian kozlov think that it or defenseman rob niedemeyer probably spelt the last name wrong because of expansion won go further but will name other of the blue chip prospects chris gratton chris pridham swedish player who can remember his name draft order ottawa san jose tampa bay south florida or anahiem south florida or anahiem hartford edmonton dallas ny rangers philadelphia the thru picks could be wrong don have the standings here and am guessing in my mind there are top notch prospects in the draft with kariya leading the way but not going shawn go caps two first round picks for the next three years thanks st louis or should say ron caron and scott stevens as person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn know anything about him don know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about know he was coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously gotta tell you from what see he really sounds like an ass let me know maybe missing something for those of you who complain about don cherry and wonder why he is popular the reply is dick vitale and john madden and bobby knight and joe garagiola and howard cosell john madden picks gary clark of the redskins for his all madden team lot over much better receivers for much the same reasons cherry sings the praises of doug gilmour little guy with heart yet one doesn see string of american posts saying that john madden has lost his marbles dick vitale is always promoting this kid from this high school or that college with outrageous statements why should americans expect that canada would not have such characters in relation to our greatest passion which is hockey canadians are very similar to americans culturally our sports are just hockey and curling whereas with americans it is football basketball baseball and bowling gerald like to add that think canadian hockey fans like don because his kind of hockey the hockey he promotes in his tv appearances is the kind that they think used to get played in the old team nhl so there kind of nostagia for the old days before expansion the soviet series gretzky and even bobby orr when guys weren afraid to take hit nobody floated and defensemen played defence who cares that that probably never really existed the myth is still around in canada and all the european in fluence on the game has diminished it in some people eyes personally like to add before get flamed love the fast paced european game and think don cherry is bit of an idiot have to say that missed him when was living in the states though he is entertaining even if you end up throwing your popcorn at the screen when he on stand by all the misstatements that ve made vice president dan quayle to sam donaldson me too nick duncan mpr ca various justifiable rantings on espn coverage by several deleted the only way to change espn thinking if it is even possible is to complain to them directly anyone know there telephone in bristol ct heh try the rec autos sport faq they are always calling espn to complain sure you could find the number for abc there too as many west coast viewers were compaining about how something as boring as hockey cut into the long beach gp do find it hard to believe that espn doesn think viewers will simply change the channel from boring game know did and then when they didn show the nyi wash overtime was livid if wanted to watch baseball could have turned on the phillies padres extra inning game instead went to bed angry boycotted espn morning sportscenter today was still so incensed were you and several of the other people here it seems asleep the day contracts were explained aspn has piece of paper saying it must show that baseball game if it happens many businesses payedd money to have their commercials run during baseball game this is business not your own personal video servant my wife says shouldn go to bed angry but last nite grrrrrrr maybe you should put that anger into something positive for example saw ads for the new dodge both on the espn and kbl broadcasts why not write to dodge saying that thanks to the ads run during the stanley cup playoffs you will now concider their products in the future they love to hear stuff like that and in the future will be more willing to buy commercial time for hockey games giving espn and other networks more incentive to carry games just one example come on people as great as we think it is hockey does not leapfrog the big three overight tim mavor am known by many names college of marine studies some call me tim univ of delaware newark de you know much that is hidden tim cms udel edu monty python and the holy grail woops this is rec sport hockey not rec sport golf hope you check the newsgroup header next time before posting duh he was making joke about how long the leafs would last in the playoffs know hit the courses in the off season sheesh people are so quick to complain go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu all these people who send in their polls should take closer look at njd they are very deep team with two very capable goalies and excellent forwards and defensemen shooter in richer an all around do it all in todd chef stasny master of thousand dishes power play kevin todd is an oiler and has been one for months how closely do you follow the devils anyway jeez sigh this was written about the game nhlpa hockey which does not have precise up to date rosters why don people think before they post jeez go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu and of course mike ramsey was at one time the captain in buffalo prior to being traded to pittsburgh currently the penguins have former captains and real captain lemieux playing for them they rotate the during the season and even the while mario was out even troy loney has worn the for the pens think that mike foligno was the captain of the sabres when he got traded to the leafs also wasn rick vaive the captain of the leafs when he got traded to chicago with steve thomas for ed olcyzk and someone speaking of the leafs believe that darryl sittler was their captain he torn the off his jersey but think he re claimed the captaincy later on when he was traded to the flyers oh yeah of course gretzky was the captain of the oilers before he was traded wasn he dale hawerchuk and troy murray were both captains of the jets when they were traded murray this year in mid season hawerchuk few years ago in the off season daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder if were pat burns throw in the towel the wings dominated every aspect of the game trying to mix up the lines is dead end as the rangers found out in last year playoffs it too late to try line juggling at this point gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley was wondering if any star trek tng fans in this newsgroup knew of possible relationship between the bruins players douris moog and the klingon names duras and worf son of moog suppose it coincidence just curious bart but have to agree boston is good team but streaky they put together great streak to capture first place in the adams but for what they have lost the home ice advantage for at least the first round and might not make it out of it would love to see the sabres win the first round even though bet on the bruins pack oh well perhaps should start betting against the sabres more often ciao jason bittle edu pillsbury dough boy quote compute therefore tuesday and the isles caps game is going into overtime what does espn do tom mees says we are obligated to bring you baseball hate to say this but last year the coverage of the playoffs on sports channel america out in colorado was vastly superior to what espn is giving us this year charlie shub colorado edu or on leave at the university of iowa uiowa edu detroit going to beat toronto in or less granted gilmour should get the hart trophy not lemieux just look at what gilmour did for toronto when you think of toronto who comes to mind gilmour andreychuk potvin ah did mentio gilmour back to detroit there really isn team that could stand up to them if all the players on the team play to their potential no one could stop them yzerman fedorov coffey lindstrom there more firepower there than pittsburgh and they don tri over their own skates detroit over toronto in patrick walker detroit over chicago in university of new bruns detroit over vancouver in canada detroit over nords in disco still sucks the san jose sharks and ottawa senators are each on their second gm already be willing to wager that both the sharks and senators will probably see their gm and perhaps their before we see the panthers second actually fired coach george kingston was third of the gm triumvirate now that the trio is now duo dean lombardi and chuck grillo the sharks are already on their office of the gm and is likely to happen before september they ll either add the new coach to the oofgm or name single gm so your wager should be amended to read that sharks are likely to have their gm before the panther get their can wait to see how the next season nhl guide and record book lists the gm history of the sharks given the depth of next year draft the expansion draft rules and the reputation of their gms anaheim and miami look pretty good as the first expansion teams to win cup san jose and ottawa have instability at the gm position something that philly nyi edmonton and calgary did not have when they won their first cups pittsburgh did but they needed quarter century mike eisler sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh their players are mighty bright too mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey am in need of all of the players wearing in the nhl know now only of one ray borque for the bruins any help would be greatly appreciated believe that phil esposito was the first to wear when he played with the rangers in the this was the season that they put the rangers crest and modern style numbers on the jerseys instead of the new york or rangers block letters and two colour numbers he took because the rangers already had hockey night in canada made big thing out of it saying it was the biggest uniform style change in long time this was before pittsburgh and vancouver changed their colours dwarf jim jordan don mean to tell you how to live bnr ca internet your life that what the tv for work for bnr do not speak for it but if didn believe in jesus be going to hell peter heath larry depalma season acquired free agent from minnesota grade no netter fan watching the sharks including me knows where depalma was at the end of the season the sharks appeared to still have his rights but he wasn in san jose he wasn in kansas city and his name hasn appeared on the waiver wire sorry nelson but you forgot to ask me if you check the thn stats for kansas city you ll find that larry has been playing for the games having played in games in the period covered in the stats between and the issue with pim not exactly invisible he then was sent down to kansas city walked out from there and was suspended and later reinstated when it was revealed that he was injured he then promptly disappeared from the watching eyes of shark bytes as the mailing list is now known to sharks officials faithful and neither the sharks nor we miss him well having gotten to chance to talk to him few times this isn quite accurate he injured his back disk injury and did one stupid thing which was to hide it from the sharks and he tried to play through it because he knew he was on the bubble the sharks then sent him to at which point he disclosed the injury since he didn disclose it the sharks and he disagreed about the responsibility and he was suspended for not reporting that was eventually worked out the sharks re instated him as injured and put him into therapy and when he was able to play then shipped him down to he fully expects to play in the nhl again although clearly not with the sharks hiding injuries is stupid no no beyond just no no very nice guy always hustled his butt off he disappeared because he was hurt expect he ll surface with another team at some point probably another expansion team but is likely to be bubble player for the rest of his career has good work ethic and is good at getting other players motivated unfortunately he played himself out of the sharks future with bad judgement call john carter season acquired free agent from boston grade he is very unlikely to be back next season always gave best work ethic on the club except maybe kisio but hustle isn always enough his future with the sharks was made clear to me one night against the flames when he went behind the crease and tried to hold joel otto against the board he literally had one arm around otto neck and another wrapped around otto stick arm otto casually turned around and fed the puck in front of the crease for goal as though carter wasn there hustle can only cover size so far the sharks have told me point blank that he gone for good ditto hubie mcdonough he was one of the favorites of the staff but as one said to me you have to make room for the kids carter in fact refused to report to and has been suspended by the sharks that might be defacto retirement but haven heard anything official his only hope in hockey now is the gulls jean francois quintin season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade don understand why the sharks didn let quintin play any more than the games he played this season because at least from the games saw him in he was outmatched and looked fairly lost on the ice think he shows potential but didn think he was quite ready to make the jump to the nhl he should be solid contender for regular duty next season agreed btw still think lot of your grades are more based on how you wish they performed than how they actually performed wonder whether you can really judge talent from radio and television nelson know have trouble since you don see the off puck action your views from home and my views from the ice differ in numerous ways mark beaufait season acquired round pick in supplemental draft grade after all star season at kansas city beaufait got cup of coffey with the coffee coffey is with the red wings dody wood season acquired round pick in entry draft grade although perhaps shouldn give grade at all have been accused of knocking on wood too much you nah he was seriously unimpressive even as tough guy his rep however as few games as he had in season that was at that point meaningless hate to judge the talent too quickly butn in dody case tempted to make an exception but won chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors apple com san jose giants san francisco giants fans giants apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks apple com new seat tbd ditto if we allow people like him to continue to do what he does it shame people say that cheap shots and drawing penalties by fake ing is part of the game say bullsh if he ever tried some like that on yzerman he would have to deal with probert now wouldn he what ulf does isn even retaliatory there now way one could justify what he does and if they do they re fools patrick walker university of new brunswick canada detroit fan extraordinaire detroit is very disciplined team there lot of europeans in detroit which would make the game fast so toronto would have to slow the game down which means drawing penalties as last resort anyway toronto will be good team as soon as they get more good players toronto is just an average team detroit isn ballard screwed toronto when he was owner everyone knows that and it going to take time for toronto to become real force expect gilmour to be burnt out next year he can pull the whole team forever patrick walker university of new brunswick showing meaningless relatively baseball game over the overtime of game that was tied up with less than seconds left on the clock gimme break where does espn get these brilliant decisions from daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder dale hunter ties the game scoring his third goal of the game with seconds remaining in regulation you could feel it coming on due to contractual agreements espn will be unable to carry the rest of this game live so that we may show you worthless early season battle between those two pennant contenders the cleveland indians and the california angels when the winning goal is scored we will do the grave injustice of breaking into the baseball game something reserved only for the deaths of presidents or the trading of joe montana to the chiefs to show you the goal on instant replay aren you so lucky to have national coverage of hockey it heidi all over again dammit kevin stamber purdue university penguins devils roll train roll tuesday and the isles caps game is going into overtime what does espn do tom mees says we are obligated to bring you baseball we re probably stuck as mike burger pointed out that the baseball deal was made far in advance of the nhl contract wabc did the same thing they were thankful that the devils were wiped out by because they had to switch over to yankees baseball the proof of the reasons for this is left to the reader it too bad but wonder if espn is stuck with other us local team coverage for their alternate games we got nesn coverage of the bruins sabres with the boston homers they were awful ve read that derek sanderson is the colour analyst wonder if he spent his early years after hockey as an intern at pravda before landing this job everything had to be twisted into something good to say about the bruin involved not even bill wirtz shills on sc chicago pat foley dale tallon were this bad and just to be fair sc used to take their feed from esn empire sports network the sabre homers and they were horrible too but they were spacy coverage of the habs nords series too bad that we couldn get it on espn with all due respect to the sabres and the bruins mike emrick is substituting on the devils scny team for gary thorne mike was the original devils tv play by play announcer by the way gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley san jose will then get kariya ya know that kind of funny cause ve seen kariya on campus with sharks hat on pat ellis go bruins go umaine black bears number hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya hobey baker award winner ncaa div hockey tournament champions ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee jesus christ the score is now the pens are beating the shit out of the devils who gave up in the middle of the period espn does something smart the announcer states well folks this game is getting out of hand lets go to the islander capitals game celebrate as was actually making progress in my cs homework because was so bored by the scheduled game tear down and throw on my jersey hunter scores go ape shit cause this is the first caps game ve been able to watch all season and what does espn do they go back to the blowout that nj hasn chance in hell of winning the period ends and the sportscaster capitols just tied it up yes oops excuse me goes into his penguin worship mode dont freak pens fans they are worthy of this so glad we wont have to play them as much next year and here comes the period what its the blowout again oh they were just waiting for the cap isles to get out of intermission good they ve put close game back on wait whats this shit they re showing the blowout again aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggg oh guess what the score is now penguins switch games you holy shit they re changing games its about goddamned time lets see if they ll stay later think this proves by point the caps game goes into overtime but due to contractual obligations they have to switch to the fucking baseball sorry for my language but im pissed what the hell were they going to do if their scheduled game went into overtime espn get your head out of your ass now know there are lot in article oulu fi oulu fi jouko kylmaoja wrote watched the game germany czechs in wc today and was astonished about the behaviour of the german audience the german team got few penalties in the last period and the crowd went grazy they threw coins extra pucks and other trash into the rink is that stupid or what guess the canadian referee one of the isostar bros gave the german team penalty for that but it didn help much guess the germans just are proud over their nazi kill em all everyone but us germans sucks attitude they just seem to have that kind of attitude in every possible sport remember the european champs in stockholm in soccer it really pisses me off do not mean that every single german has this attitude that sucks but most of them seem to do can understand your anger about the german audience mean it was the finnish team they played and they were taking advantage of the ridiculous penalties the canadien ref called in the last period the germans got match penalty and minutes misconduct for practically nothing and seconds after that the german goalie got two minutes for delay of game for shot that was deflected and went into the crowd the resulting skating advantage lead to the deciding goal at point when the germans were starting to come up strong am also sick of the nationalism that is going on in german sports events if you watch for example tennis davis cup match the players are often not able to play for minutes because the crowd is so obnoxious but have to admit that this kind of nationalism is as strong or even stronger in most other countries you should go to the us and watch the way they present the olympics on television or the soccer crowds in england or the finnish spectators at nordic skiing events mean it makes me sick to see all this nationalism all over the world and would rather see the best team player win and get cheared at do not mind if my favorite team looses to somebody that is better or plays more attractive and have to admit that in most sports the german national site is not my favorite team to watch the german soccer team is boring to watch for example but reading the above posting think that you are on the same level as these crowds you are criticizing it is easy to talk of nearly all germans as nazis and nationalists thats the kind of propaganda that all ultraconservative people use against germany it is true that there is great danger of re arising nationalism in germany but from my experience most of the people at least of the people that know also regard this as big threat and are trying to demonstrate this attitude now why can we just look at people as human beeings and not try to put them into drawers corresponding to their nationality eg all russians are communists all americans are capitalists all germans are nazis all fins are hanging around beeing drunk on ferries in my opinion your comment shows the narrowness of your mind and that you don seem to be different from the nazis you are talking about thomas there no time to hate barely time to wait jerry garcia robert hunter actually was angry when they went away from the pens game being pens fan in central virginia is kinda tough only get to see them on espn and when they play the caps cause we re close enough to dc to get all the caps games so when espn switched to the caps aaaggghhh matt in article uucp uucp terry whalen path netnews upenn edu newsserver jvnc net howland reston ans net usc news se ervice uci edu network ucsd edu btree terry newsgroups rec sport hockey message id uucp date apr gmt references cc lehigh edu organization brooktree corporation lines in article cc lehigh edu cc lehigh edu the philadelphia inquirer posted the following stats with lindros goals against average goals scored average without lindros goals against average goals scored average think the difference is obvious he dominant player skip yes he is he will become major franchise player and bring the flyers to the cup in or years will they name lindros captain next year or recchi geoff world championships in germany group standings munich group standings dortmund gp gf ga gp gf ga canada czech republic russia finland italy germany sweden usa austria france switzerland norway april italy russia norway germany sweden austria usa czech republic april canada switzerland russia austria finland france april sweden canada czech republic germany switzerland italy finland usa april germany france italy sweden czech republic norway april switzerland russia usa france austria canada norway finland april switzerland austria germany finland april russia sweden czech republic france canada italy usa norway april sweden switzerland finland czech republic russia canada germany usa april austria italy france norway playoffs april quarterfinals april quarterfinals april relegation april semifinals may relegation bronze medal game may final staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey ok it seems that everyone else in canada was treated to the real abc telecast while only the people on rogers tv in surrey bc were treated to two channels with don stink as commentator whitman doing the play by play the godfather as for the picks ottawa picks which means it is almost that alexander daigle will go he ll either stay or be traded in montreal or quebec imo would take kariya he should alot of leadership in the ncaa and so far in the world championships daigle didn show this for his junior team san jose will then get kariya tampa bay will either go for russian kozlov think that it or defenseman rob niedemeyer probably spelt the last name wrong the last name is niedermayer as in new jersey scott last name because you guessed it they are brothers but rob niedermayer is center not defenseman am not sure that the sharks will take kariya they aren saying much but they apparently like niedermayer and victor kozlov along with kariya chris pronger name has also been mentioned my guess is that they ll take niedermayer they may take pronger except that they already have too many defensive prospects go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks today at the world championships in munich canada scored an impressive victory over the defending world champs sweden in the game have seen yesterday in the olympiahalle of munich canada won against sweden the last goal for canada was at in the period maybe you shouldn go and get you another beer before the game is over and then post imaginary results holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen tel email holger mchp sni de never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together first off anyone accepted into the western business school is not dork second just because one person out of country of million doesn think before he she posts an article does not mean that he she is embarrasing canada this network is for expressing what you feel are your thoughts just because someone doesn agree with you this does not give you the right to call them assholes anyways the north stars are shit actually think it does give people the privilege of calling folks like you assholes although my own asshole might take offense at being grouped in with bunch of losers like you ve never heard of the western business school anyhow probably chickenshit place rick losers like us you are the fucking moron who has never heard of the western business school or the university of western ontario for that matter why don you pull your head out of your asshole and smell something other than shit for once so you can look on map to see where uwo is back to hockey the north stars should be moved because for the past few years they have just been shit real team like toronto would never be moved andrew andrew kirk university of western ontario london ontario go leafs go ok sure that this has been asked of times before but have wondered since heard it where the hell did the nickname of the habs come from for the montreal canadiens thanks in advance caine schneider national hockey league season home attendance report each qtr represents home games qtr will have home games neutral site games are not included indicates the number of sell outs team name qtr qtr qtr qtr totals average bos buf cal chi det edm har la min mon nj nyi nyr ott phi pit que sj stl tb tor van was win avg los angeles kings notes playoffs stauber disturbed by third man theme by rick sadowski daily news barry melrose decision to stick robb stauber in the stands rather than in the crease or even on the bench for the stanley cup playoffs does not sit well with the rookie goaltender want to be part of the team at the most crucial time of the year the most fun time of the year and not stauber said with some emotion monday think have worked hard enough for that stauber said he accepts melrose choice of kelly hrudey as the teams top goalie in their playoff series with the calgary flames hrudey made saves in sundays opening victory but stauber clearly is upset with his sudden status as the no man behind rick knickle stauber had record and goals against average down the stretch in the regular season and nearly wrestled the no job from hrudey knickle he won of decisions but had bloated average twice was yanked from games once for stomach cramps and hasn played since march yet when the series resumes wednesday knickle will serve as hrudey backup again and stauber will have to satisfy his playoff hunger by munching on olympic saddledome popcorn if supposedly close to being the starter or could have been the starter dropped too what happened to no stauber wondered not that be happy with no but feel should at least be part of this team in the playoffs perhaps stauber eventually will get his chance but melrose apparently is not convinced the year old is capable of handling playoff pressure while insisting he is the kings goalie of the future melrose said stauber flubbed all four of the big games he was asked to win this season they were according to melrose loss to san jose on dec an loss to the new york rangers on jan tie with detroit on feb an loss to vancouver on thursday four times this season robb could have emerged as the elite goalie he could have taken it away from kelly hrudey and he didn do it melrose said an elite goaltender has to carry the ball when you give it to him the mark of great goalie is that he isn satisfied to be backup not blaming robb for the losses but if you re going to be no you ve got to be able to walk your talk you ve got to be able to play when everything is on the line robb stauber has great deal of ability but maybe expect more from him than he does ouch that remark stung stauber he began the season struggled when the team hit mid season slump didn play for month after knickle was signed off the san diego gulls roster then came on at the end expect more from myself than anybody including barry melrose said stauber three year star at the university of minnesota who left school in only to have his development hampered by string of serious injuries what ve been through the last four years two knee operations herniated disk in my back shoulder surgery what more can go through obviously do expect lot from myself otherwise wouldn be here anybody who would disagree with that doesn know me not saying barry doesn know me but don say ve been without expectations if anything perfectionist stauber acknowledged he played poorly in the four games melrose mentioned but even though didn play well get knocked down from maybe on to three it bit of jump he said you re almost no or if you play good game you re no and if you don you re no why does jack nicklaus shoot and then can you explain that that what barry wanted me to explain to him why didn come through when he counted on me don know what do know is it sport ll be there melrose goalie of the future statement doesn mean much to stauber before you know it ll be and there will be no future he said game of the kings flames playoff series drew nielsen rating on abc channel here in la the kings averaged nielsen rating in the regular season games aired on channel around the nhl san jose fired coach george kingston who lead the team to mark in their nhl season kingston was over the past years with the sharks former islander executive bill torrey was named as president of the expansion florida panthers bobby clarke was named as the clubs general manager last nights games win van van leads tor det det leads stan willis dnet hac com net contact kings talk with the kings mailing list stanford edu to subscribe or unsubscribe kings stanford edu king no hockey games televised nationally tonight what the hell is this why the hell is espn showing some stupid baseball game when baseball is not even three weeks into the season and hockey is in the playoffs no wait know the answer but still it really espn had the houston astros chicago cubs game scheduled for last night on the west coast since the game was rained out they showed the toronto maple leafs at the detroit red wings game instead stan willis net contact la kings in article wpi edu wpi edu the am in need of all of the players wearing in the nhl know now only of one ray borque for the bruins any help would be greatly appreciated paul coffey of detroit redwings bjoernar steinbakken don forget paul ysebaert ex devil he good team player michael sy wustl edu new jersey devils world championships in germany group results sweden canada can geoff sanderson kevin dineen swe patrik juhlin jan larsson pp can geoff sanderson ps can mike gartner greg johnson adam graves can rod brind amour shayne corson shots on goal penalties attendance referee sweden rob hearn usa canada bill ranford stopped shots to lead canada to victory in very well played game the first period started with give away from canadian defenseman and rundqvist came in alone on ranford but couldn put the puck over sliding ranford later on kevin dineen had great opportunity but soderstrom played very well too stefan nilsson had couple of great dekes and set up jan larsson but again ranford came up big period ended scoreless but the edge to sweden in creating more opportunities second period action saw tommy soderstrom making great save mark recchi made backhanded cross ice pass to lindros eric one timed the puck but soderstrom was there to make glove hand save at the minute mark canada started applying pressure on the swedes sanderson dineen brind amour worked hard and kept the puck in the swedes zone dineen gave the puck to sanderson who skated around screened swedish defenseman came in on soderstrom and made wrist shot that went it by soderstrom far post canada the swedes picked up their game after that and peter forsberg had shot that hit ranford post the inside went parallel to the goal line and out then gartner got penalty and the swedes power play jan larsson took shot from the slot ranford gave rebound to larsson who saw juhlin by the far post passed the puck and ranford was beat third period started as the other periods swedes having most of the pressure but the canadians always dangerous once they were close to the swede goal at canada created some great chances and arto blomsten was forced to cover the puck in the swede goal crease since soderstrom lost sight of it that resulted in penalty shot since defenseman can cover the puck in the goal crease geoff sanderson took the penalty shot his first ever he explained afterwards and he put it low on soderstrom stick side close to the post excellent penalty shot to give canada go ahead goal canada increased the lead on very suspect offside gartner volleyed bouncing puck past soderstrom to make it the swedes ran out of gas then and couldn produce as good scoring chances as they had for periods the goal came with only second left rod brind amour scoring on rebound from soderstrom where the swedish defense already had their minds in the dressing room very good game the best in the wc so far with both goalies playing great soderstrom best player in sweden but ranford even played better than soderstrom that tells you something about ranford probably the best goalie in the world were some comments after the game canada played very disciplined defense ranford pointed out that it is easy to play well with good defense lindros played lot and played well sanderson naturally game hero with two goals the forsberg naslund bergqvist line sweden best along with larsson juhlin nilsson swedish defense played well cm kg peter popovic had the task of neutralizing cm kg eric lindros and managed this very well ranger defenseman peter andersson finally got to go to the wc and considering that he landed in germany just few hours before the game he played very well swedish coach curt lundmark was irritated after the game partly because of the swedes inability to score and partly because of the linesman mistake on the goal lines information follows further below italy switzerland ita orlando penalties ita swi referee anton danko slovakia attendance group results czech republic germany cze kamil kastak cze jiri dolezal cze petr hrbek cze radek toupal cze josef beranek penalties cze ger game penalty referee darren loraas canada attendance the czechs were clearly better than the germans and the german crowd showed their discontent by throwing in stuff on the ice after while finland usa fin jarkko varvio usa ed olczyk penalties fin usa referee valeri bokarev russia attendance hope some finns can provide information from this game didn see the whole game the finns took the lead on jarkko varvio slap shot from the blue line and soft goal for an unscreened mike richter as far as the play in the second period goes the finns seemed to have the most control so lead was warranted as saw it sweden canada goaltender tommy soderstrom bill ranford defense kenneth kennholt norm maciver fredrik stillman dave manson peter popovic geoff smith peter andersson brian benning arto blomsten terry carkner roger akerstrom garry galley derek mayer forwards mikael renberg dave gagner thomas rundqvist adam graves mikael andersson mike gartner markus naslund paul kariya peter forsberg eric lindros jonas bergqvist mark recchi patrik juhlin rod brind amour jan larsson shayne corson stefan nilsson kevin dineen charles berglund geoff sanderson michael nylander greg johnson andersson bergqvist brian savage kelly buchberger staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey tonight in boston the buffalo sabres blanked the boston bruins tonight in boston looks like boston can hang this season up because buffalo home record is awesome this is great buffalo fans might get to see revenge for last year ncsu edu afc east division champions and afc conference champions squished the fish monday night football november squished the trash talking fish afc championship january if you are buffalo bills fan email me at ncsu edu so we can talk all about the games insight etc if you are packers fan let me know am interested in any news out of green bay was the abc coverage of the kings flames game supposed to be the way it was shown in bc with cbc overriding the abc coverage when flipped to abc it was the same commentators same commercials even my question is was this the real abc coverage or did cbc just black out the abc coverage for its own yes it called simulcast in canada when canadian station and an american station are showing the same thing whether sporting event or cheers on thursday night the canadian signal is broadcast over the american station they even do this during the superbowl which has the best commercials of any television what do we get here dumb canadian commercials the same ones we ve seen for that last year or so in edmonton and while that usually or at least often the case here we were treated to the actual abc telecast of the kings flames game with whoever said it earlier don witless er whitman is poor commentator and not just for hockey normally if the oilers were still playing augh would turn off the sound and listen to the radio broadcast to get decent play by play announcing bart edmonton the san francisco bay area media is reporting tonight that the detroit red wings beat the toronto maple leafs can someone who is not part of the media conspiracy against the leafs tell me how the game really went am expecting win for the leafs shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assists for gilmour if the leafs really lost how many penalties did whichever biased ref was at the game have to call against the leafs to let the red wings win ah yes california did the san francisco bay area media report that joe montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired san jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude but as playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay good thing those walls are so soft eh rollie cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time anna matyas cmu edu wrote and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh and rick tochett was the captain of the flyers when traded to the pens recently caleb and let us not forget that the new jersey devils traded captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorske man hated that trade the detroit red wings put lot of doubter on ice tonight with washing of the toronto maple leafs all you toronto fans have now seen the power of the mighty red wing offense toronto defense in no match for the wing offense as for the defense probert kennedey and primeau came out did they move probert back to defense why did see him parking his ass in front of potvin all night somebody is going to have to discipline probert if the leafs want to win the series perhaps fresh clark should hit the ice at the end of long probert shift and straigten him out for while cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time what going on the russians and the czechs are unable to beat easy opponents and the swedes beat austria only it the opening game effect maybe pros arrive late nervousness for rookie wc players and problems to get the lines clicking may make things hard to get it going against these worse nations guess that the better team you face in the opening game the better it is since the chances of an upset are greater then some other reasons why the worse teams are so tough to beat was presented by hans virus lindberg former coach in switzerland the worse teams referring to france switzerland austria italy etc have now usually world class goalies their defensive play have become much more disciplined they take much less unnecessary penalties they use four lines which makes it harder to make them run out of gas the ice quality in the german wc rinks is poor the only convincing winner was germany wierd another weird thing was that the czechs played entertaining hockey err just kidding david alex would like to see the czech roster including if possible the clubs from which the players come how many are finnish german or swiss alex that new name for me ok forgot the czech roster at home yesterday but now have it don know the teams for all players so would appreciate if you guys could fill in the blanks for me especially think some of these players play in finland the czech republic goaltenders petr briza finland somewhere right roman turek motor budejovice defense leo gudas milos holan tj vitkovice drahomir kadlec bedrich scerban brynas sweden antonin stavjana hv sweden miroslav horava modo sweden ales flasar tj vitkovice forwards petr rosol kamil kastak hv sweden richard zemlicka jiri kucera jan caloun hc litvinov petr hrbek tomas kapusta otakar janecky finland roman horak motor budejovice martin hostak modo sweden radek toupal jiri dolezal staffan staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey relying on canadian tourists and transplanted northeasterners to support team in miami is crazy espaecially when you have really deserving cities without team such as san diego milwaukee wish the panthers or whatever their name is well but if they can sell to hispanics they re in deep doo doo already there are rumors that tampa may move to milwaukee loved the abc coverage the production was excellent the appearance was excellent it had sleek modern look this was the first time heard thorne clement thought they were great my only request is to leave al micheals out of this he annoys me hoping this leads to regular season contract my guess would be is that it will be roughly weekly game from feb april and then the playoffs envy you canadians with your tsn cbc maybe ll get dish to pick up canadian tv how much are those things btw first off anyone accepted into the western business school is not dork second just because one person out of country of million doesn think before he she posts an article does not mean that he she is embarrasing canada this network is for expressing what you feel are your thoughts just because someone doesn agree with you this does not give you the right to call them assholes anyways the north stars are shit mon leafs whoa there lighten up andrew when was referring to you dorks at the western business school was specifically referring to those assholes writing obnoxious comments insulting the state and people of minnesota for no apparent reason being canadian and one who has friends who attended uwo personally don want to be associated with the idiots who wrote those messages one more thing andrew until this season the leafs have sucked pretty badly over the last umpteen years have they won the cup during our lifetime so the north stars haven been the only shit team in the norris kea on tuesday when it was raining in chicago espn provided bonus hockey coverage now it seems as though some fans are ticked off that the ny wash ot was replaced with the angels game people must realize that there are more baseball fans instead of hockey fans in the the baseball game was scheduled to air and advertisers money was paid so they can skip the baseball game why don you people chill out and enjoy whatever coverage you can get geoff filinuk quebec dominated habs for first periods and only roy kept this one from being rout although he did blow goal canadians showed up in third but nords were playing dump pull back most of the time hextall made some good saves but really this one was lost in first period when nords scored could have had plus another in canadians are dead meat they may take one or but this one is over tee it up jacques next time you might rest players forget about place welcome to the adams division dennis new jersey pittsburgh first period pittsburgh tocchet stevens lemieux pp new jersey barr guerin holik pittsburgh lemieux jagr ramsey second period pittsburgh lemieux stevens murphy pp pittsburgh francis ramsey mullen pittsburgh tippett jagr mceachern third period pittsburgh jagr samuelsson lemieux pp new jersey stevens niedermayer driver pp new jersey stevens semak niedermayer pittsburgh power play scorer pts francis jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphy ramsey samuelsson stevens tippett tocchet new jersey power play scorer pts barr driver guerin holik niedermayer semak stevens st louis chicago first period chicago noonan larmer brown second period st louis brown shanahan emerson chicago noonan roenick chelios pp chicago noonan matteau sutter st louis felsner mcrae janney third period st louis shanahan brown hull pp st louis hull emerson brown pp st louis power play scorer pts brown emerson felsner hull janney mcrae shanahan chicago power play scorer pts brown chelios larmer matteau noonan roenick sutter los angeles calgary first period los angeles sydor gretzky sandstrom second period calgary suter fleury sh los angeles carson shuchuk sydor pp los angeles huddy taylor rychel los angeles mcsorley unassisted third period los angeles millen granato donnelly calgary dahlquist otto calgary yawney macinnis reichel los angeles carson sandstrom robitaille pp los angeles power play scorer pts carson donnelly granato gretzky huddy mcsorley millen robitaille rychel sandstrom shuchuk sydor taylor calgary power play special goals sh total scorer pts dahlquist fleury macinnis otto reichel suter yawney first period ny islanders ferraro flatley vaske second period no scoring third period washington hunter elynuik krygier washington hunter khristich johansson pp washington khristich pivonka johansson pp washington power play scorer pts elynuik hunter johansson khristich krygier pivonka ny islanders power play scorer pts ferraro flatley vaske buffalo boston first period buffalo hannan unassisted buffalo lafontaine mogilny second period boston juneau neely oates pp boston neely oates juneau buffalo mogilny hawerchuk smehlik third period buffalo mogilny unassisted boston neely juneau oates boston heinze juneau overtime buffalo sweeney khmylev smehlik buffalo power play scorer pts hannan hawerchuk khmylev lafontaine mogilny smehlik sweeney boston power play scorer pts heinze juneau neely oates montreal quebec first period montreal dionne dipietro brunet second period montreal bellows muller desjardins third period quebec rucinsky lapointe sundin pp quebec sakic lapointe overtime quebec young ricci duchesne quebec power play scorer pts duchesne lapointe ricci rucinsky sakic sundin young montreal power play scorer pts bellows brunet desjardins dionne dipietro muller could someone please post the rosters for the college hockey all star game east and west rosters thanks in advance ok forgot the czech roster at home yesterday but now have it don know the teams for all players so would appreciate if you guys could fill in the blanks for me especially think some of these players play in finland the czech republic goaltenders petr briza finland somewhere right signed contract for ev landshut germany for the season defense leo gudas ec hedos muenchen germany since holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen tel email holger mchp sni de never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together being proud bu alumnus like to get list of bu players in the nhl so can keep an eye on their progress lot of terriers are graduating this year so hope to see them soon in the nhl if somebody could post or send me list appreciate it please note if the player graduated from here or not just overheard that san jose coach george kingston was officially terminated today maybe good news maybe bad kinda liked him but he seemed to lack certain fire bill gibson gibson apple com chief technical sponge applelink gibson bill apple computer inc just say sharks what the deal has nothing on it yet is it in ot is it over what want to know we all want to know where roger when you need him keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs cow is not vegetarian dish keith keller current votes for favorite goalie masks others receiving less than mike vernon cal clint glenn healy nyi toy espo gilles gratton is this tony esposito if memory serves me correctly chicago god hope am right otherwise will never hear the end of it keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs cow is not vegetarian dish keith keller here are the final stats for the chl for the season central hockey league memorial drive suite tulsa ok phone fax founder and president ray miron commissioner monte miron marketing director jim goodman information director eric kolb each team is owned by the league with local intrests controlling day to day operations working agreements and nhl affiliations are up to each team each team has salary cap for total players dress up each team is limited to visas meaning at least players must be americans ignore this rule if you are tulsa they only had americans on the roster during the playoffs teams play in wichita tulsa oklahoma city memphis fort worth and dallas future expansion plans include houston san antonio baton rouge little rock el paso albuquerque tuscon and amarillo austin is possibility if dallas has to move houston and san antonio are in for this fall with baton rouge and little rock likely for teams fort worth fire wichita thunder arena tarrant co conv cen kansas coliseum colors red and black blue silver and black gm george branum bill shuck coach pete mahavolich doug sheddan phone fire season tix single tix radio announcers dallas freeze tulsa oilers arena fair park coliseum civic center colors teal and black orange and blue gm tom koch jeff lund coach ron flockhart gary unger personal guardians phone puck season tix ray and monte single tix miron radio ksky am ktrt am announcers bruce levine jeff brucculeri mark stone jeff bowen memphis river kings oklahoma city blazers arena mid south coliseum myriad state fair arena colors gold and black red yellow and black gm jim riggs brad lund coach steve carlson mike mcewen phone puck season tix single tix radio krec am wwls am announcers dave woloshin john brooks tom stocker brian barnhart regular season standings otl pts gf ga pim avg attdnce cap oklahoma city blazers tulsa ice oilers dallas freeze memphis riverkings fort worth fire wichita thunder playoffs tulsa defeated dallas games to wllwwlw oklahoma city defeated memphis games to wwllww levin trophy finals tulsa defeated oklahoma city games to wwlww playoff mvp tony fiore tulsa special votes to ray and monte miron team vs team dallas fort worth memphis oklahoma city tulsa wichita dallas fort worth memphis oklahoma city tulsa wichita power play statistics penalty killng statistics ppg opp shga pct ppg saves opp shg pct okla city okla city tulsa dallas dallas tulsa fort worth wichita wichita memphis memphis fort worth penalty record min game gross oppn pim avg minor major bench misc misc misc match pim wichita fort worth memphis dallas okla city tulsa scoring by period period period period overtime shootout totals gf ga gf ga gf ga gf ga gf ga gf ga dallas fort worth memphis okla city tulsa wichita all star team position first team second team goaltender tony martino tulsa robert desjardins wichita tie alan perry oklahoma city tie defensemen dave doucette dallas mike berger dallas guy girouard oklahoma city tom karalis tulsa center carl boudreau oklahoma city joe burton oklahoma city left wing sylvain fleury oklahoma city doug lawrence tulsa right wing daniel larin oklahoma city tom mutch memphis tie sylvain naud tulsa tie regular season mvp sylvain fleury oklahoma city rookie of the year bobby desjardins wichita leading defenseman dave doucette dallas leading goaltender tony martino tulsa scoring leaders points team gp pts goals team gp fleury sylvain okc fleury sylvain okc lawrence doug tul larin daniel okc naud sylvain tul mutch tom mem mutch tom mem thibodeau ken mem hall taylor tul naud sylvain tul thibodeau ken mem taylor jason dal anchikoski wayne dal boudreau carl okc assists team gp larin daniel okc lawrence doug tul taylor jason dal fleury sylvain okc dent ted wch naud sylvain tul sanderson mike ftw doucette dave dal gatti dave wch hall taylor tul nobili mario tul girouard guy okc cyr keith wch amario peter mem penalty minutes team gp pim johnston scot mem aubrey ron ftw burton joe okc karalis tom tul simoni steve okc johnson craig okc hornak ernest ftw neish greg wch fiore tony tul batten john mem doucette dave dal taylor jason dal leading goaltenders or more games team gpi min gaa otl en so ga saves save pct martino tony tul perry alan okc zanier mike dal mindjimba antoine mem smith greg dal desjardins bobby wch belley roch ftw other goalies team gpi min gaa otl en so ga saves save pct flatt brian tul krake paul okc loewen jamie tul ocello matt ftw ocello matt tul totals raymond eric tul hara michael ftw vasko steve mem trentadue rocco ftw trentadue rocco okc totals harvey alain wch gosselin yannick wch gosselin yannick okc totals caton murray wch mcdonnell dan tul sauer tul clark joel wch wachter steve wch marc dee foster contact for the chl hey guess what coming to espn for change playoff which doesn involve the pens not that there is anything wrong with that espn games thursday pens at devils at gary thorne and bill clement saturday caps at ny isles at tom mees and john davidson abc game sunday pens at devils at gary thorne and bill clement only if you are in the eastern time zone pacific will get the kings vs calgary espn named its broadcast team on tuesday it paired tom mees play by play with john davidson analyst ppv mark nancy spera imt division if didn know for fact that chevron petroleum technology co elvis was working in donut shop box la habra ca in beaver falls swear he was tel com driving this truck scotty baldwin forwards richard zemlicka in the season playing for ehc freiburg germany benny benny reif email ruf uni freiburg de disclaimer this text reflects my opinion detroit going to beat toronto in or less granted gilmour should get the hart trophy not lemieux just look at what gilmour did for toronto when you think of toronto who comes to mind gilmour andreychuk potvin ah did mentio gilmour when you think of the nhl who comes to mind gilmour gretzky mario ah did mention mario if you said gretzky you haven really been following along have you if you said gilmour you are true maynard don even think the selection of the hart deserves serious discussion on this group it is no brainer dvb quebec dominated habs for first periods and only roy kept this one from being rout although he did blow goal canadians showed up in third but nords were playing dump pull back most of the time do you notice that nobody on the team is willing to take charge dominant defenceman would be nice too bad schneider got hurt he reminds me of chris chelios sometimes speaking of chelios wonder if serge savard feels like moron for making that trade also wish we still had corson rob ramage on the ice is less useful than gatorade bottle on the bench vincent damphousse has decided to take vacation apparently have no idea why demers is playing denis savard on the checking line with carbonneau savard is skating well and is one of the only dangerous canadiens in quebec zone with the puck too bad nobody is in front most of the time do you also notice that in the defensive zone not single nordique gets knocked down it disgusting we also have lebeau getting pasted at centre ice by wolaninn with no reply from the team except to yell for penalty dammit denis savard threw the best only montreal hit of the night when he knocked sundin off balance when denis savard is your team enforcer there big trouble someplace hextall made some good saves but really this one was lost in first period when nords scored could have had plus another in aside from that second goal roy did stand on his head the third period at least provided something to look forward to habs won the period imo and guess somebody finally came along to smack them couple of times in the second intermission to remind them that game had started at hopefully they play that way at home roy made the saves we ll ignore that second goal so now it up to the team ists ca to all those grant fuhr doubters buffalo boston nuff said and did somebody say dale hunter was playoff choker rethink that position come on boston where the hell are you seven wins in row and what choke much rather see the bruins in the wales conference finals vs pitt than buffalo or quebec if only because it would be more interesting not that buffalo or quebec can put up good fight but much more enjoy pasteing of the bruins than the devils you have to feel for terrerri sp ah well maybe the devils will pull it out or maybe the pens will lose in the second round but if not hope the bruins are there to meet them tonight in boston the buffalo sabres blanked the boston bruins tonight in boston looks like boston can hang this season up because buffalo home record is awesome this is great buffalo fans might get to see revenge for last year glad grant fuhr will never be as over confident after two wins as you are it takes four wins to defeat an opponent each tougher to obtain than the previous one buffalo is off to good start fuhr is proving the fuhr bashers wrong but boston is an awfully good team gerald awesome home record or not you need to remember the game last year at the aud like to see some playoff games since stuck in buffalo at ub but think boston isn giving up so easy mr bungle monday april kamloops spokane kamloops wins western final matchup kamloops portland tuesday april no games necessary wednesday april no games necessary thursday april no games scheduled friday april regina swift current series kamloops portland series saturday april kamloops portland series sunday april swift current regina series whl playoff scoring leaders april player gp pts jamie black tacoma andy schneider swift current valeri bure spokane allan egeland tacoma dean mcammond swift current jason krywulak swift current cam danyluk medicine hat todd holt swift current tyler wright swift current mike mathers kamloops jeff friesen regina rick girard swift current whl playoff leading goaltenders april minimum minutes player mp ga so gaa scott langkow portland milan hnilicka swift current trevor robins brandon steve passmore kamloops mark dawkins red deer randy coulman sc aries laboratory research assistant department of computational science university of saskatchewan usask ca saskatoon sk would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal and save percentage numbers for me so can put these stats on the archive site contact me by mail if you want to volunteer here are the individual goalie stats as of wed apr cst these stats include games up to and including the sunday previous to the date listed above they have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper every tuesday they don print shots and save percentage numbers so those are not verified these stats are available by mail every weekday and sometimes on weekends if in town and can get late game results just send me note if you would like to receive these stats by mail if you have any questions comments or suggestions let me know randy mp minutes played ga goals against so shutouts gaa goals against average wins losses ties sog shots on goal sv save percentage mp ga so gaa sog sv tm player was byron dafoe har corrie alessio mtl frederick chabot bos mike bales tor felix potvin chi ed belfour bos john blue chi jim waite pit tom barrasso stl curtis joseph van kay whitmore buf dominik hasek bos andy moog cal jeff reese mtl patrick roy har mike lenarduzzi det vincent riendeau tor daren puppa det tim cheveldae cal mike vernon nyi glenn healy buf grant fuhr nyr john vanbiesbrouck was don beaupre min jon casey van kirk mclean nj chris terreri mtl andre racicot que stephane fiset phi tommy soderstrom pit ken wregget bos reggie lemelin que ron hextall nyi mark fitzpatrick win bob essensa win jim hrivnak min darcy wakaluk tb wendell young tb jc bergeron nj craig billington stl guy hebert was rick tabaracci buf tom draper nyr corey hirsch phi dominic roussel nyr mike richter nyi danny lorenz edm bill ranford la robb stauber la kelly hrudey que jacques cloutier har mario gosselin la rick knickle tb pat jablonski sj arturs irbe har sean burke edm ron tugnutt ott daniel berthiaume phi stephane beauregard ott peter sidorkiewicz cal andrei trefilov har frank pietrangelo win mike neill sj wade flaherty sj jeff hackett sj brian hayward tor rick wamsley was olaf kolzig ott darrin madeley ott steve weeks la david goverde tb david littman randy coulman sc aries laboratory research assistant department of computational science university of saskatchewan usask ca saskatoon sk would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal and save percentage numbers for me so can put these stats on the archive site contact me by mail if you want to volunteer here are the team goalie stats as of wed apr cst these stats include games up to and including the sunday previous to the date listed above they have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper every tuesday they don print shots and save percentage numbers so those are not verified if you have any questions comments or suggestions let me know randy mp minutes played ga goals against so shutouts gaa goals against average wins losses ties sog shots on goal sv save percentage mp ga so gaa sog sv tm player chi ed belfour chi jim waite chi tor daren puppa tor felix potvin tor grant fuhr tor rick wamsley tor bos mike bales bos john blue bos andy moog bos reggie lemelin bos pit tom barrasso pit ken wregget pit stl curtis joseph stl guy hebert stl van kay whitmore van kirk mclean van det vincent riendeau det tim cheveldae det mtl frederick chabot mtl patrick roy mtl andre racicot mtl cal jeff reese cal mike vernon cal andrei trefilov cal was byron dafoe was rick tabaracci was don beaupre was jim hrivnak was olaf kolzig was min jon casey min darcy wakaluk min buf dominik hasek buf grant fuhr buf daren puppa buf tom draper buf nyi glenn healy nyi mark fitzpatrick nyi danny lorenz nyi que stephane fiset que ron hextall que jacques cloutier que nj chris terreri nj craig billington nj nyr john vanbiesbrouck nyr corey hirsch nyr mike richter nyr phi tommy soderstrom phi dominic roussel phi stephane beauregard phi win bob essensa win jim hrivnak win rick tabaracci win mike neill win tb wendell young tb jc bergeron tb pat jablonski tb david littman tb edm bill ranford edm ron tugnutt edm la robb stauber la kelly hrudey la rick knickle la david goverde la har corrie alessio har mike lenarduzzi har mario gosselin har sean burke har frank pietrangelo har ott daniel berthiaume ott peter sidorkiewicz ott darrin madeley ott steve weeks ott sj arturs irbe sj wade flaherty sj jeff hackett sj brian hayward sj randy coulman sc aries laboratory research assistant department of computational science university of saskatchewan usask ca saskatoon sk don got his nickname grapes but not sure don use to coach the boston bruins don know exactly when that was could someone fill me in on this info think that the name grapes came because as coach for the bruins or in the minors he used to chew on grapes to keep from getting dehydrated during the games his dog blue may have been named cause he liked labatts beer anyone know about that in ists ca ists ca in article wustl edu buffalo is up is the series with boston and the reason grant fuhr fuhr is playoff hungry and he proving once again why they call him money goaltender fuhr might not be one of the best goaltenders in the league anymore statistically at least but he proving that he can make the big save at the right time the leafs should have kept fuhr and probably would have had chance against powerhouse detroit but again where was andreychoke in game applauded the sabres for making the deal to get fuhr specifically because thought it would help them win at least one playoff series however don think the leafs can be faulted either there is nothing to say that felix won be winning playoff series by himself in years to come agree with joseph felix potvin is great goalie besides thought that the leafs could only protect goalie in the up coming expansion draft if so then it better to get rid of one good goalie and get good forward in return in messge on mon apr mitre org steve greanias wrote do not have cable and on the nights the caps don play would like to tune in other games does anyone have list of the radio stations which broadcast the games for the nhl teams here are the ones can remember offhand kdka am pittsburgh penguins wabc am new jersey devils wbbm am chicago blackhawks wjm am detroit redwings kmox am st louis blues are the flyers on that all can think of ted benjamin go cards go cavs msfc nasa gov go blues go vols go browns line sig can cramp one art in article wpi edu wpi edu the am in need of all of the players wearing in the nhl know now only of one ray borque for the bruins any help would be greatly appreciated thanx pierre turgeon formely of the sabres and now of the isles wears at least he did in buffalo tom gwitt edu in article cmu edu william willis cmu edu says you know never really appreciated them before looks like bob errey ring really sparkles in that locker room and everyone else wants one too correct me if wrong though just through the net not through mail don need rl in my mail but wasn boston down vs buffalo last year boston lost and at home and won and in buffalo whoever wins game will advance simple as that robbie po pgh penguins we do what comes naturally patrick division semi all time record you see now wait for the penguins devils season win streak possibility don you see penguins lead playoff win streak strong resemblance dg can some on give me some stats on forsrg in the world championships if sao mail to victoria bc ca tom moffat victoria canada while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name what has happened to him since what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info has this ever happened before in hockey game thanks carol go pens in article cl msu edu lbs msu edu ok buffalo fans am red wings fan but am amazed at how the sabres are beating up on the bruins is there any reason for this is it grant fuhr or mogilny and lafontaine would like to hear from you since do not know much about the sabres two words grant fuhr tom gwitt edu while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name what has happened to him since what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info that was clint malarchuk that was very dangerous accident he could he died right there on the ice however he has played since but don know where he is now think he is still playing but not positive he was sabre at the time don know who skated into him though has this ever happened before in hockey game remember couple of seasons before the malarchuk incident borje salming of toronto fell down in the crease and someone skated into his face that took lot of stiches to fix thanks carol go pens liam go toronto they better start going soon just side note squid octopi made their way to the ice in buffalo still don understand why buffalo but maybe it lucky btw they shovel them up from the ice here using the shovel used to scoop up the snow the zamboni leaves as it leaves the ice although blue did give some technical directions on its removal motioning with his stick valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat over the boards grab buffalo edu his hand and start running around the outside cc buffalo edu faster and faster wanted to learn how to get that feeling and the only way was to learn how to skate lafontaine does anyone have the player stats for games played up until april mauro united states coverage sunday april at pittsburgh edt to eastern time zone abc gary thorne and bill clement st louis at chicago cdt and mdt to central mountain zones abc mike emerick and jim schoenfeld los angeles at calgary pdt and adt to pacific alaskan zones abc al michaels and john davidson tuesday april at pittsburgh edt nationwide espn gary thorne and bill clement thursday april and saturday april to be announced edt nationwide espn to be announced canadian coverage sunday april buffalo at boston edt nationwide tsn tuesday april at pittsburgh edt nationwide tsn wednesday april st louis at chicago edt nationwide tsn don know if anyone has posted message like this yet but getting really sick of espn showing the last minute of hockey game in which the score was just tied and then cutting out and saying sorry we can show you this we have to show baseball tonight not even game friggin highlight show gee sure would have been nice to see the isles caps in overtime live in pittsburgh yes pens fan where hockey gets lot of coverage can only imagine how caps fan residing in texas must feel the blues led by the best goalie in the nhl this season curtis joseph shut out the hawks the blues are playing like they did in clutch grab shoot the puck out it incredibly boring to watch but if it works finally non blues fan agrees that joseph is great goalie think he should win the vezina this year or at least share it with barrasso who also has been shadowed by mario amazing performance too think that joseph has had great year and should be considered for the vezina think barrasso and joseph should be the two strongest candidates this year don believe all of the hype that roy belfour and now potvin receive for their goaltending do think that they are great in the nets but would rather have curtis tommy or fuhr in the nets during this years playoffs the big name tenders always seem to have strong defense in front of them and the goaltenders get the most credit would rather face shots game than have to rely on joseph saving but if the goalie is going to face shots would rather have joseph or barrasso facing them jay ps go quebec and know that mclean and several others should be mentioned as candidates for this years vezina but am partial to joseph and barrasso this season john huber jr aka jay penguins stanley cup champions software engineering institute pirates nl east champions sei mastercraft the only boat for skiing was watching the detroit minnesota game last night and thought saw an octopus on the ice after ysebaert scored to tie the game at two what gives is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in detroit not responsible dain bramaged harold zazula cuny edu acc qc edu so in other words if roussel shuts out the sharks and soderstrom shuts out the penguins that immaterial because it was the coaches decision come on joe think about what you re saying who they played is very significant why they played them is what irrelevent low gaa against good teams is better than low gaa against bad teams in the context of comparing two goaltenders low gaa is better then higher gaa low gaa against good teams is much much better than higher gaa against bad teams in the context of comparing two goaltenders let start over not arguing about who is the better goaltender take soderstrom right now what am saying is that roussel can be netminder the gaa difference is less than half goal per game less than that after last night their save percentages are close and their records are similar and with that just don see how you can label roussel as the most disappointing player on the flyers this season you say soderstrom played against better competition that may very well be but there is no way of knowing how roussel would have performed in those games besides against the better scoring teams like pittsburgh the defense is more keyed up than they are against san jose the same for roussel in the ranger game two real scoring chances one he made great play the other he was saved by mistake from the other player if you were judging roussel on that game alone you have very little to go by but not just judging roussel on that game alone ve seen him play for the past two seasons in philly and before that in hershey it just my opinion but think he got what it takes of course thought that about mark laforest too but never did about wendell young so batting in judging hershey talent since the hextall era as for the rangers game you can say he was saved by mistake by the offensive player if you like but rou had his leg in position to make the save if he didn it wouldn have mattered if the rangers player didn get the puck up or not it would have been goal on breakaway that what the goalie wants to do take away as much as possible and force the shooter to beat him but if you were to look at the tie against the habs you saw goalie stand on his head to get that shutout that was goalie in action roussel doesn have game like that in him seem to remember roussel doing an excellent job against pittsurgh on opening night to give the flyers tie against the two time defending champs and not to take anything away from soderstrom because he was senational in that game agains the habs but you can tell me that montreal player had an open net to shoot at some point during that game and just flat out missed it mistakes both on offense and defense are part of the game or there never be shutouts anyway happy the flyers have both soderstrom and roussel and not going to argue about it anymore besides with the current game winning streak and expectations soaring for next year don want to piss you off to the point that you don sell me any tickets next season joe dakes at microelectronics union boulevard allentown pa let go flyers jmd att com tom barrasso wore great mask one time last season he unveiled it at game in boston it was all black with pgh city scenes on it the golden triangle pgh downtown area where the rivers meet graced the top along with steel mill on one side and the civic arena think on the other on the back of the helmet was the old pens logo the really fat little penguin with the blue scarf the current at the time pens logo and space for the new now current logo tommy had designed the mask and his mother an artist painted it for him but while wearing the mask the pens got thumped by the bruins the very next game tommy was back to the old paint job great mask done in by goalie superstition lori coaching news alpo suhonen ex jets to jokerit now verified boris majorov ex jokerit to tappara vasili tichonov ex assat to san jose sharks assistant coach sakari pietila to lulea silver team in elite serien wow so that probably the reason why current assistant coach drew ramenda hinted that he won be back thanks for the news mikko can you or any of our finnish netters comment on tichonov go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks was watching the detroit minnesota game last night and thought saw an octopus on the ice after ysebaert scored to tie the game at two what gives no no no it squid keep the tradition alive kinda like the fish at unh games is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in detroit not responsible dain bramaged harold zazula cuny edu acc qc edu united states tv schedule april devils islanders at pittsburgh est abc to eastern time zone april st louis at chicago cdt abc to cent mou time zones april los angeles at calgary pdt abc to pacific time zone april devils islanders at pittsburgh espn april tba espn april tba espn little supplement basic mike info for sundday opener on abc these are the announcing crews devils isles at pittsburgh gary thorne play by play bill clement color and al morganti roaming the halls outside the dressing rooms this telecast will primarily seen on the east coast st louis at chicago mike emrick play by play jim schoendfeld color and tom mees roaming the halls this telecast will primarily be seen in the midwest and parts of the south la at calgary al do you believe in mircales michaels play by play john davidson color and mark jones as roaming reporter this telecast will be seen in the western usa montreal naitive jon saunders will be hosting in the studio abc will do up and close and personal with mario during saturday wide world of sports sunday will be the first nhl playoff or regular network telecast in years not counting those silly all star games on nbc for the last few years for sunday games abc will use mikes behind on the goal super super slo mo close ups of player faces at face offs espn abc will not be able to use its new favorite toy the ice level shot in pittsburgh where too many seats would have to removed to employ it in case of blowout in progress in pittsburgh abc will switch to chicago game but will come back to the pittsburgh game for updates or if the game gets closer ha abc expects huge ratings by hockey standards since all top us tv markets are involved ny metro area ny islanders nj devils chicago blackhawks and la kings stay tuned thanks mike ppv mark upi clarinet has just relayed scoop from the toronto sun or was that star like the star myself that iron mike keenan has come to an agreement with the new york rangers for next season interestingly this comes the day after the times sports had an editorial about how the rangers need their own pat riley who cares about what happens after next season gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley jagr has higher but francis has had more points and take it from an informed observer ronnie francis has had much better season than jaromir jagr this is not to take anything away from jaro who had decent year although it didn live up to the expectations of some bowman tended to overplay francis at times because he is bowman style player he plays hard at all times doesn disregard his defensive responsibilities and is good leader bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display me first attitude this rubbed bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time throughout the year francis consistently recieved more ice time than jagr althouhg have never seen stats on this subject am pretty sure that jagr had more points per minute played that francis when you add to that jagr better rating think it becomes evident that jagr had better season not that francis had bad one actually what think has become more evident is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost jagr did not have better season than francis to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with modicum of hockey knowledge save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available until the nhl publishes more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality is the player put out in key situations like protecting lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team top one or two lines short handed etc would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications brad brad gibson internet ubc ca dept of geophysics astronomy main mall phone university of british columbia fax vancouver british columbia canada you ll have hard time selling any sport to community that can play it on account of availability or financial reasons hockey is pretty much sport for the white and well off what white yes well off definitely not hockey season ticket owners have the lowest average income of any of the four major north american sports do you have basis for this claim try these stats taken from playboy magazine june percentage of pro football fans who have attended college percentage of pro baseball fans who have attended college percentage of pro basketball fans who have attended college percentage of pro hockey fans who have attended college percentage of pro football fans who earn more than percentage of pro baseball fans who make more than percentage of pro basketball fans who make more than percentage of pro hackey fans who make more than and think of where the majority of hockey players come from from farm out in boondock saskatchewan or weedville alberta the biggest advantage that kids from boondock or weedville have is the availability of ice in the san jose area we have population of and that population is served by ice arenas in contrast kamloops british columbia has population of about and has rinks there are also myriad ponds pools etc that freeze in the winter down here it hard to find kid without bicycle up there it hard to find kid without pair of skates and before you say what does he know he from california let me say that was born and raised in trail british columbia town of about with lots of ice in the winter my father did radio play by play for the local team the trail smokeaters who by the way were the last canadian team to win the world championship back in was on skates almost as soon as could walk and have been playing recreational hockey for about years when was the last time you saw hockey league in the inner city the insurance alone is big enough barrier the inner city isn the only place that is poor think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is no ice to play on lack of ice is big factor but costs is bigger factor both my kids play for the santa clara valley hockey association and this season which just ended cost me per kid for membership in hockey usa plus per kid for club dues the hockey usa fees cover excess medical insurance and the club dues cover ice time officials trophies etc other areas have similar fees unless the city government subsidises some of the costs as stockton does by the way most ice arenas are located in what could be called the inner city areas eastridge and vallco are exceptions redwood city rink is in an industrial area on bay rd near berkeley is near ashby and martin luther king stockton is in oak park sacramento is in an older section of downtown forget the name of the street fresno is out on the edge of town just west of santa rosa is nice rink but it in an older section of town dublin is outside of town off most of the rinks are old and expensive to run with huge electric bills and insurance premiums if you want to buy ice time expect to pay around per hour at any of these rinks some of them give you minute hour for your money others give you minute hour and include the resurfacing time in the fee alan hepburn man doesn know what he knows national semiconductor until he knows what he doesn know santa clara ca nsc com thomas carlyle david the hawks win jermey roenick scored his th goal and the hawks put the leafs in their place the losers column if the leafs can not even beat the hawks in match that had little or no meaning will hate to see them against the wings oh btw laugh at rm that jerky go hawks jb the hawks win jermey roenick scored his th goal and the hawks put the leafs in their place the losers column if the leafs can not even beat the hawks in match that had little or no meaning will hate to see them against the wings oh btw laugh at rm that jerky would appreciate it if you would not refer to mr maynard by his initials thanks see you in the norris finals ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president new set of things to worry about getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton jagr has higher but francis has had more points and take it from an informed observer ronnie francis has had much better season than jaromir jagr this is not to take anything away from jaro who had decent year although it didn live up to the expectations of some bowman tended to overplay francis at times because he is bowman style player he plays hard at all times doesn disregard his defensive responsibilities and is good leader bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display me first attitude this rubbed bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time throughout the year francis consistently recieved more ice time than jagr althouhg have never seen stats on this subject am pretty sure that jagr had more points per minute played that francis when you add to that jagr better rating think it becomes evident that jagr had better season not that francis had bad one actually what think has become more evident is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost jagr did not have better season than francis to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with modicum of hockey knowledge save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available until the nhl publishes more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality is the player put out in key situations like protecting lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team top one or two lines short handed etc would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications thank you for posting this as the person who first brought up the fact that jagr has much higher than francis can assure you that brought it up as an example of the absurdity of comparisons even on the same team never ever thought that anyone would argue that jagr higher actually reflected better two way play in my opinion francis low is purely result of him being asked to play against opponents top scorers at all times the fact that he can chip in points while neutralizing the other team top center is testament to how valuable he is even if his suffers on the other hand jagr for how big fast and skilled he is can even get points no matter how inflated his is by the way don get me wrong like jagr he may be lazy floater but he turns it on at exactly the right times like overtime of playoff games roland dreier berkeley edu when was the last time president trophy winner fell to last place the following year long time bet well think it in the montreal canadians finished although there was no president cup in those days and missed the playoffs in do recall that the playoff picture wasn decided until the final day when the ny rangers defeated the redwings the tie breaker was the number of goals for if remember correctly so the rangers played with an empty net for the entire game some hab loyalists accused the wings of throwing the game to keep them out but as recall gordie and delvecchio had the flu so coach sid abel sat them out and the rangers swarmed the redwings most of the night it in the faq have fun gak richard stueven aha he has erected multitude of new internet com go offices and sent hither swarms attmail attmail gakhaus gak sharx of officers to harass our people cow palace and eat out their substance just heard on the news that mike keenan formerly of the blackhawks flyers and general of siberian prison has just signed to coach the rangers the rangers who won the president cup last year have slipped just bit at the end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly flyers the flyers fans are going to be disappointed on keenans decision because they were very interested in him oh well go caps connin final american hockey league standings northern division pts gf ga lyf providence bruins adirondack red wings capital district isles springfield indians new haven senators southern division pts gf ga lyf binghamton rangers rochester americans utica devils baltimore skipjacks hershey bears hamilton canucks atlantic division pts gf ga lyf st john maple leafs fredericton canadiens cape breton oilers moncton hawks halifax citadels last year point total league record total bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu if the islanders beat the devils tonight they would finish with identical records who the lucky team that gets to face the penguins in the opening round also can somebody list the rules for breaking ties after reading some of the reports of possible nhl moves to milwaukee or that milwaukee should have an nhl team thought pass along story heard recently this is second hand so don know how true it is but have no reason to doubt it either bradley center in milwaukee is home to the milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team the owner of the admirals sorry can remember his name either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the bradley center supposedly he was approached by the nhl about an expansion franchise but turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of million was too high like said don know whether this story is true or just rumor but if it true don look for an nhl team in milwaukee anytime soon the admirals aren going to be forced out of the building and you won see an nhl club and minor league club in the same building especially since the nba milwaukee bucks play there as well charlie betz cray research inc chippewa falls wi cray com how to beat pittsburgh iii kevin stevens fighting call bob probert call tie domi call my grandmother she kick his ass yeah ve seen you re grand mother bet she could joseph stiehm the ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly press conference at the rangers have so many veterans that they had to get coach with weight and proven record and whom they know messier respects interestingly keenan co coach or is it his number one on team canada at the world championships is roger neilsen it be interesting if the rangers call in the balance of neilsen contract to be keenan assistant roger did do very good job with the mediocre players just as he handled the cinderella canucks of years ago but his mistake was playing the rangers like those canucks last may gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley last year the pens weak spot is defense and goaltending if boston boston doesn have the guns of the pens but the pens doesn have the defense goaltending and discipline of boston still boston can why do you say this as of now the pens and bruins have played the same number of games and given up the same number of goals they are tied for the third and fourth best defenses in the league behind chicago first and toronto second the pens weak spot is defense only by comparison to their offense which is second in the league to detroit but the pens are no weaker on defense and goaltending than the bruins are that is they are both very strong terry finland jyrki lumme teppo numminen peter ahola well well they don like our defenders mainly lumme and numminen jari kurri christian ruuttu now do you think that ruuttu is only worth think it might be teemu selanne compared to kurri selanne points are too high lets make it or well in the canada cup and world championships largely due to the efforts of markus ketterer the goalie or the players listed above and luck there presumably lot of decent players in finland that wouldn be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players however my guess would be that the finnish canada cup team would be team in the nhl wow now it looks like you don like our players what about guys like nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even if he is aging ruotsalainen the main difference between finnish and north american players is that our players tend to be better in the larger rink the canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in europe and think that there was more in our success than ketterer and luck though they helped think that the main reason was that the team worked well together howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh prostetnic vogon jeltz marko poutiainen oulu fi geoff filinuk dccs upenn edu wrote this comes indirectly from al morgani who works in the studio for espn hockey some text deleted espn is under contractual obligation to show baseball and could not broadcast the ot of the hockey game next year will be introduced so baseball fans can watch baseball and hockey fans can watch hockey hadn heard about this new when is this new network supposed to start sounds great to me as long as my cable co offers it tom huot com while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name what has happened to him since what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info has this ever happened before in hockey game it was clint malarchuk neck cut by uwe krupp skate know it happened in buffalo but can tell you against whom krupp was defending an opposing attacker charging the net malarchuk became the fourth goalie behind hasek puppa and draper after suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder he been playing in san diego for former sabre coach rick dudley krupp is now playing for the islanders after the lafontaine turgeon trade what do win patrick ferrel cc buffalo edu always said there was state university of new york at buffalo something fundamentally wrong with the universe aka jay walker wwivnet arthur dent it was unlikely improbable for the bruins it was the stuff of nightmares for the sabres it was taste of heaven for the first time since the sabres have won the first three games of series last time was three games to none victory in best of five against the canadiens it takes little more work this time the sabres seem ready to put in the extra work on the heels of shutout one that took away boston home ice advantage the sabres came back with four to three overtime win it wasn easy it wasn always pretty it still worked john blue got the nod for boston supplanting andy moog as starting goaltender moog was pulled midway through game on tuesday buffalo started with goal by mogilny his fourth of the playoffs on the powerplay with boston don sweeney and gord roberts in the box lafontaine and hawerchuk had the assists goal number two was khmylev first of the playoffs pretty goal scored when the sabres stole the puck and passed to an open and waiting khmylev smehlik and hannan assisted determined not to be shut out boston tallied on shot by ray bourque on the powerplay with colin patterson and bob sweeney both in the box period two was scoreless split of penalties between the two clubs the third saw boston smolinski get his first courtesy of oates buffalo resecured the lead two minutes later from former bruin bob sweeney khmylev and carney neely tied the game of the way through the third sending it into overtime last year overtime meant bruin win last night it spelled sweet revenge as buffalo scored with ray bourque in the penalty box on tip in by khmylev hawerchuk and lafontaine minute into overtime both teams finished with shots power play conversions boston buffalo referee rob shick comments shick pocketed the whistle in the third allowing lot of clutching and grabbing buffalo penalty killing unit was fantastic again mogilny was checking granted he missed once and instead flung his body into the boards but checking like this is novel idea to mogilny the crowd was unbelievable don think ve ever heard crowd that loud in the aud for sabres game remember was only five when they played for the cup don remember it and no one took me to the games doug bodger in postgame interview noted that he tried to say something to hawerchuk but the crowd was too loud even though he was shouting it didn seem to matter as most of the sabres and even muckler said it was great yuri khmylev didn seem to realize that he was the game third star and didn skate out when his name was called sweeney and fuhr each were out before yuri made his appearance sans jersey when asked in an interview later whether he knew how big goal that was he responed yes ok it was through an interpreter and he said more than that even more than the interpreter said but digress the interviewer seemed to think just because he doesn speak english he must not understand playoffs uh huh valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat over the boards grab buffalo edu his hand and start running around the outside cc buffalo edu faster and faster wanted to learn how to get that feeling and the only way was to learn how to skate lafontaine did anyone see the montreal quebec game yesterday it was tight right down to the last second of the third period in the overtime roy and hextall played like they were gods ok so montreal won they deserved it after getting their first goal in overtime waved off because the puck was hit in with high stick their second goal in overtime was also replayed but could not tell if it was the montreal player who kicked it in the puck definitely was not directed in by stick anyways montreal is back into the series dave vergolini michigan state university lbs msu edu the replay clearly showed that the winning goal for montreal went off the skate of the quebec defenceman who was checking kirk muller in front of hextall on the other hand hard pressed to think of any other real mistakes fereirra made imagine indeed but then again we have the benefit of hindsight well the jettison for youth fast strategy was his also in hindsight it didn work all that well but think it was more because it left the sharks on tightrope without net not that it was inherently flawed it was the injuries that caused us to fall let say that in the view of the sharks upper management the attempt to trade kisio was major factor in the decision to fire feirerra there were personality conflicts among shark management and disagreements over how personnel were going to be handled not just who was being traded vs kept but who was being sent to kc what ferriera did if rumors are right was not always what the folks behind the bench wanted or needed inclined to take exactly the opposite view they should have kept him he obviously the luckiest man in hockey think if they kept ferriera they would have lost some of their other management staff depending on which sources you trust we might have lost grillo and lombardi and murdoch over the summer frankly want to keep those three we may well ahve also lost kingston which of course is now moot point the sharks have been building an organizational staff that is highly consensual and cooperative ferriera wanted to run things his way there were conflicts ferriera lost that says nothing about his skills or accomplishments at that level lot is personality and politics think he did some good things for the sharks but that he never fit in as shark person hope he succeeds beyond his wildest dreams down in anaheim too because it ll be good for hockey but want the ducks to be doormats for couple of years so the sharks succeeed first chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors apple com san jose giants san francisco giants fans giants apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks apple com new seat tbd agree rob shick sucks big time he did the same thing last night game between boston buffalo quoting bill gregory to all bg hey saw that game thought the sabres looked better that you bg described it boston that looked weak and unsure of themselves even bg if big if they bruins win the third game what that going to bg prove they be lucky well now the sabres are up in games and its to bad that boston isn putting up more of fight as that could have been the best series of the playoffs think boston will come out smoking in the next two games and that buffalo will end the series in game six back in buffalo and say how about those islanders they are up on the capitals and will probably win the series only to be clobbered by the penguins who should eliminate the devils in the next game cannot see sad to say anyone beating the penguins this year again and they will take cup afraid well talk to ya later steve to find out girl faults praise her to her girl friends blue wave qwk harry and his buttkisser milbury will never admit that they screwed up in major way when they brought in one of the dumbest people in the business brian sutter sutter playoff record as the head coach in st louis speaks for itself the blues really have chance to advance to the second round this year grant fuhr has done this to lot better coaches than brian sutter gerald manon rheaume was on with letterman in sept her english was so terrible that letterman took cheap shots at her although the shots were funny they were uncalled for well on the contrary thought dave was rather taken with her and her accent ockey is my passion gerald for all those red wings fans in boston thought letcha know that being desperate for news on the game tried to get wjr am on my walkman and succeeded it was at night about reception got better as it got you can get wjr long way away the problem is that because of those well known and beloved contractual obligations wjr will be doing tiger baseball instead of the wings playoff games for probably half the games the wings could play for this series know tonight game and believe games and if necessay will be bumped ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president new set of things to worry about getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton yes yes can see it now all those sabre fans finally taking their sabre sweaters out of the moth balls and proudly wearing them after years of playoff frustration and being up games to nil guess it is pretty good bet but there has not been team that has come back from an deficit since could this be the year don throw out the moth balls yet roy wrote feel the jury is still out on tim cheveldae as playoff goalie he was average in his first playoffs last year he had horrible start but played great the last ten games after he was benched his gaa even with the horrible start was last year this year think he going to play very well he has to if detroit is going to win the cup he wasn sharp in game but he didn have to be thought he looked pretty good yesterday great write up of the wings toronto series thus far agree with just about everything that you said but chevy shouldn have let the shot from the right point in first goal mikorov think other than that the wings are looking good and chevy is holding his own not great but maybe chevy has let in or soft goals so far but they all didn matter however his recent history has been inconsistant play but comes up big when it counts the score was think when the goal you mentioned was scored in the third period when it looked like toronto was coming back chevy was exceptional can see him as barraso style playoff goalie inconsistant when there nothing on the line but comes up big when really needed guess we ll both find out ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president new set of things to worry about getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton in article of rec sport hockey utoronto ca susan clark asks hi guys looking to answe bit of trivia what hockeplayers have appeared on major talk shows on tv letterman carson leno arsenio etc shows of national nature include canadian equivalents if you can think of any this can include nhl olympic and world champion ship players pretty sure ve seen gretzky and lemieux but was wondering if there were any others am not so sure about the celebrated players of the game but tod hartje who played for harvard in college and then went on to play in the ahl initially for moncton and currently for providence thanks to daryl turner for the update appeared on david letterman show about two years ago now tod has the distinction of being the first american born player to go and play in the former soviet union this was arranged by jets gm mike smith while tod was playing in moncton at about the time all those european players were coming over to north america to play in the nhl tod spent year playing in russia and played with or against some of the russian players who have just entered the nhl in the last two years he wrote book on his experiences called behind the red line check it out and appeared on the letterman show to talk about them mike note hope have my facts straight it has been year since read tod book wanted to dig the book out to double check but realized lent it to friend and he hasn returned the book yet just wait til get hold of him in article cl msu edu lbs msu edu david vergolini wrote did anyone see the montreal quebec game yesterday it was tight right down to the last second of the third period in the overtime roy and hextall played like they were gods ok so montreal won they deserved it after getting their first goal in overtime waved off because the puck was hit in with high stick their second goal in overtime was also replayed but could not tell if it was the montreal player who kicked it in the puck definitely was not directed in by stick anyways montreal is back into the series the overhead replay pretty clearly showed that it was the quebec defender who deflected the puck the re play officials did not take nearly as much time to make this call as they did for the first non goal so it seemed pretty non controversial agree that it was great game good to see roy and damphousse back into form hopefully the sign of good things to come paul valin tel bell northern research ltd email ca box station ottawa ontario canada only my opinions during the first three games of the pens devils series have been impressed time and time again by the pure talent of the pens jagr maceachern and barrasso have been especially fun to watch but one element of this team which goes unnoticed seems to be scotty bowman despite brooks lunatic comments and despite the devils line changing adantage in last night game bowman has been able to keep his cool and keep the devils in the dark granted the hell dwellers had the pens bottled up for while last night but bowman was eventually able to configure his line up to get the job done his ability to throw out new looks and strategies at moments notice is incredible bowman seems to have terrific ability of reading his players on an individual basis last night for instance he realized that the speed of jagr straka and maceachern was throwing the devils off balance as result straka received many more shifts than average jagr played almost the entire game he was always on the puck and maceachern scored goal while complementing jagr many times throughout the night his ability to commit to one player in crucial situations is commendable especially when coach of such talented team might simply rely on the overall talent to dominate and to bring about success while no one can replace the genius and optimism of badger bob johnson bowman in his own way has made himself permanent though not clearly seen mark in pittsburgh really feel the need for knowledgable hockey observer to explain this year playoffs to me mean the obviously superior toronto team with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing what gives stand by all the misstatements that ve made vice president dan quayle to sam donaldson me too nick duncan mpr ca nhl playoff results for conference semi finals best of seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf leads stl leads win pit leads bos chi van leads nyi leads mon tor la tied was que leads det leads cal quebec nordiques leads series montreal canadiens period que sundin gusarov period mon muller damphousse bellows pp period none overtime mon damphousse bellows desjardins pp powerplay opportunities nordiques of canadiens of shots on goal nordiques canadiens quebec nordiques hextall shots saves montreal canadiens roy shots saves att pittsburgh penguins leads series new jersey devils period njd guerin pit mceachern straka period njd holik stevens period pit lemieux murphy ramsey pit taglianetti loney tippett pit murphy francis tocchet pp njd semak zelepukin powerplay opportunities penguins of devils of shots on goal penguins devils pittsburgh penguins barrasso shots saves new jersey devils billington shots saves att boston bruins buffalo sabres leads series period buf mogilny lafontaine hawerchuk pp buf khmylev smehlik hannan bos bourque oates donato pp period none period bos smolinski oates buf sweeney khmylev carney bos neely oates shaw overtime buf khmylev hawerchuk lafontaine pp powerplay opportunities bruins of sabres of shots on goal bruins sabres boston bruins blue shots saves buffalo sabres fuhr shots saves att washington capitals new york islanders leads series period nyi thomas was burridge may cavallini period was carpenter ridley bondra period was elynuik carpenter ridley nyi thomas turgeon king nyi turgeon thomas hogue overtime nyi ferraro hogue flatley powerplay opportunities capitals of islanders of shots on goal capitals islanders washington capitals tabaracci shots saves new york islanders healy shots saves att spike dino getting shots in front of the net he should expect it this is playoff hockey where anything goes you lose one game in the regular season and it not so bad you lose game in the playoffs and it difficult thing to overcome ve watched hockey and played it too for number of years and haven seen one post season game where the forward in front of the net has not finished without any bruises on the back of his leg the leafs are not doing good job in clearing the net and potvin has been forced to take matters into his own hands remember when cicarelli used to play for the london knights ohl he always was nuisance in front of the net and the goalies took exception to this he also complained in this morning paper about what happened last night but to me it lot of bellyaching his team is up and he complains about being whacked wonder what would happen if he tried to do the same thing in front of billy smith or younger ron hextall seems dino would need two artifical legs dino should take it as part of the game and thank his lucky stars that he in the playoffs and has good chance to go the finals well agree that if you re going to stand in front of the net that you should expect to get hit and hacked at in general you should expect to finish the game with some bruises however there is fine line between hacking at guy causing some pain and discomfort and blatantly attempting to injure another player felix potvin imo crossed that line on wednesday that two hander on ciccarelli was way out of line lost lot of respect for potvin because of that it showed an immaturity he did not slash at ciccarelli to simply try to remove him from the slot area legal position for dino to be in instead he slashed in an attempt to injure it was out of shear frustration as leaf supporter just supporter not leaf fan really was very disappointed you re right in mentioning billy smith and ron hextall at least in his philly days they both crossed that same line at times and for that reason many fans and players disliked them that why their names always comes up as examples when we talk about these issues let hope that felix doesn do that again hate to see anyone even dino although admit don like him very much get seriously hurt from such careless but intentional use of the stick gary while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name what has happened to him since what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info has this ever happened before in hockey game it was clint malarchuk neck cut by uwe krupp skate know it happened in buffalo but can tell you against whom krupp was defending an opposing attacker charging the net it was not krupp skate krupp was defending against steve tuttle of the blues they both sort of tripped and fell toward malarchuk and tuttle skate came perilously close to cutting but actually just missed the jugular malarchuk immediately fell to the ice hands at his neck blood on the ice malarchuk became the fourth goalie behind hasek puppa and draper after suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder he been playing in san diego for former sabre coach rick dudley he been suffering from it for over decade he just wasn diagnosed for it until he didn sleep for ten days and decided to have some alcohol to help him sleep unfortunately he just been put on ulcer medicine few days earlier it amazing he lasted as long as he did ocd sufferers stop distinguishing the line between reality and imagination or fail to accept that something they ve checked is ok now for example an ocd sufferrer can wash his hands over and over and still think they re dirty he might check the oven ten times to be sure it turned off he might see movie about something and automatically assume the situation is the same for his own life malarchuk has dramatically decreased the medicine he takes but still needs it he went off it this past winter and had bad ocd episode and think was in the hospital for couple days he felt it slowed his reflexes so he tried to go without in any event he is alive and well and living in san diego while playing with the gulls ihl krupp is now playing for the islanders after the lafontaine turgeon trade and tuttle is no longer with the blues but don know where he is possibly in the ihl but you best ask blues fan valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat over the boards grab buffalo edu his hand and start running around the outside cc buffalo edu faster and faster wanted to learn how to get that feeling and the only way was to learn how to skate lafontaine here one from the mill the oilers might move to hamilton where porklington can get free deal given what labour relations and puck has been like it would be sigh of relief this way can can both elements dave shariff yadallee sc econ math of alberta cs ualberta ca god save the queen god bless us all remember jesus saves lives from eternal damnation newfoundland keep good old clyde vote liberal while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name what has happened to him since what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info has this ever happened before in hockey game thanks carol go pens that would be clint malarchuck it was speculated at the time that the injury was so serious that had he been playing at the other end of the rink at the time he was playing in the same end as the ambulence is parked he never would have survived ditto if he were playing anything other than league with an ambulance on standby if you ve seen video tape of the incident it is amazing how much blood there was it was literally spurting out all over the ice as clint grabbed his neck and watched the puddle in horror amazingly enough he made full recovery and played again in the nhl he was getting on in years at the time of the incident anyway and didn play for too long afterward some people speculated that he just couldn get himself back together after the incident and think he had bunch of other personal problems dogging him afterward he did eventually get back to form and played another year or so after that and then believe he retired anyone else carol boudreau the terminator mit edu go flames rock the kings the isles picked one hell of time to get their first win all year after being down after periods the caps seemed to have the game in hand playing steady defense and getting great goaltending from tabaracci the isles power play philosophy continues to be dump and chase which except for boardaholics like flatley doesn work against the caps hope al realizes this they have too many talented finesse players so why not carry the puck in and set up if last night game is any omen the isles could be on their way to that ole championship form coming from behind late in game my advice to the caps is to pounce on those healy rebounds flatley showed alot of heart by playing the last period and overtime despite an almost swollen shut left eye injury suffered at the hands of dale hunter ray ferraro has arrived just in time for the playoffs showing the fiesty hustle that us islander fans remember from an italian from the past john tonelli it was tonelli who won similar game against the pens in game on the playoffs the isles scored two late third period goals to send the game into ot tied at in ot tonelli scored the game winner to send the isles to the next round the isles have lacked this tenacity for years but perhaps its back it was good to see the coliseum packed just like the ole days good luck to the isles the rest of the way john scialdone gsfc nasa gov and the home of the brave jerry garcia bob weir vince welnick april opening day candlestick park lots of debate about the virtues of bryan murray vs pat quinn as gm deleted randy graca seems to think murray is the best gm in the league think quinn is one of several who are better plus his team quinn has improved much greater amount than detroit since he took over with them how do you figure both vancouver and detroit did the same thing last year they both won their division they had close to the same number of points they both went down in the first round of the playoffs before finally escaping in games and they both got knocked out in the second round by teams they should have been able to beat with less talent specifically if remember correctly third place teams how does this make vancouver more improved further if not mistaken the wings had more points than vancouver at the end of this season albeit not many when quinn took over vancouver several years ago not last year they regularily missed the playoffs can recall if they missed the playoffs the year before his hiring but they probably did quinn has improved the team from non playoff calibre to serious contender when murray took over in detroit the were about team that was contender to win the norris division and possibly even stanley cup contender so quinn has improved his team more than murray has since taking over as gm quinn is one example of better gm than murray gregmeister yahooooooooooooooooooooo what game we finally beat those diques and in the habs dominated this game and especially in they finally started going to the net see what happens when you create some traffic muller deserves full marks what player and damphousse finally started skating roy thankyouthankyouthankyou was excellent did you see that third period save on young and the defense was taking out quebec players in the zone anybody else wonder if hextall will feel like dweeb when he finds out that the winning goal went in off his own man skate whatta suck although he is playing really well life doesn get better than this sure it does on sunday when the are golfing and the habs are tied you ll see what mean nick ists ca during the first three games of the pens devils series have been impressed time and time again by the pure talent of the pens jagr maceachern and barrasso have been especially fun to watch but one element of this team which goes unnoticed seems to be scotty bowman bowman is in the hockey hall of fame as coach already and unlike gil stein he didn get their by stacking the board of directors while no one can replace the genius and optimism of badger bob johnson bowman in his own way has made himself permanent though not clearly seen mark in pittsburgh bowman is the genius johnson isn bowman is great coach johnson very good one however bowman is really not modern coach and patrick solution of having him only run the team on game days and delegate most of the day to day responsibity to the assistants is shrewd managerial decision on patrick part gerald just wondering where all the bruins fans are mean they woofed it up with about posts during the regular season saying that their fave team was going to kick everyone in the playoffs and win the stanley oh really seem to remember this year woofers consisting mainly of yourself and roger boston fans were relatively quiet cup while see nothing wrong with little ranting and raving just curious why all the boston faithful have stopped posting mean haven even see just one little boston fan post cept for the bruins fans that aren cocky guess the concept of fan who is not cocky is something you couldn possible understand eh but don know sure like to see where all those bruins fans are at robbie po streakers we do what comes naturally patrick division semi pgh penguins you see now wait for the penguins devils stanley possibility don you see penguins lead cup champions strong resemblance dg nah doubt you really would you re just being provocative sob as usual with large stick up your but of course mean that in the nicest way and just how much bragging did you do wobbie on after umass beat your quakers btw congratulations should go to the sabres they are playing more diciplined and with more will to win they deserve it dan com joseph shut out the hawks the blues are playing like they did in clutch grab shoot the puck out it incredibly boring to watch but if it works road agree it very boring if you re not blues fan but the blues played two perfect road games not boring is right it is more likely to cause me to have stroke had to listen to game two on the blackhawk station and don think could take another call of and joseph makes spectacular saaaaaave now blues fan but don want them to play like they played in game two sure the result was fine but the blues match up very well with the hawks so they really don need to treat them like the flames we don need monday night miracle to have chance to beat chicago the blues can do it on talent at least over the hawks rich go blues joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues amongst penguins fans there seems to be an inner calm that ve never experienced before this year with the pens the players and the fans have so much confidence in the team this year we re savoring every game and saving our energy for the stanley cup that not inner calm it boredom and it being spoiled the arena been as quiet as church on many nights this year too many of us just take winning for granted it been seemingly forever since the team lost and we ve forgotten what it like to feel real excitement and surprise at victory while glad to have the pens doing so well in some ways it was better high back when the pens beat the bruins two years ago and the rangers last year too much of good thing is not always good for you rick much mindless drivel deleted sorry to ramble as you can see hate mario pat walker unb question to you canadian folk is this university of new brunswick branch campus of the western business school seems like the same sort of rectal appendage belongs to both of them rick here one from the mill the oilers might move to hamilton where porklington can get free deal the probability is that the oilers are not going anywhere pocklington has chosen this moment to make his last stand is because he is at the moment of maximum advantage the provincial government is months away from provincial election it is the moment when he has maximum power to convince northlands to give him better arena deal or better purchase price and it is before the nhl new collective agreement with the players which might involve some enhanced revenue sharing pocklington is many things stupid is not one of them he can dictate terms because other cities will pay his price if edmonton doesn edmonton has already fucked up its international airport and surrendered supremacy to calgary and over the next few years edmonton is going to take hard hit from government cutbacks it will screw itself beyond recogniton if it manages to find way to lose its hockey team too because northlands wants to continue to use the oilers to subsidize horse racing however in this case about the long term financial viability of the oilers the fact is that pocklington is basically right regardless of who owns the team and it is right to provoke the crisis now before the team accumulates millions of dollars in losses or becomes habitually uncompetitive because of lack of money sather has done his job the oilers are poised to be competitive again very soon al strachan one of the most knowledgeble hockey writers in canada in post mortem of the oilers season in the globe and mail recently agrees with me gerald all time nhl leading goal scorers denotes active player gordie howe det hfd wayne gretzky edm la wonder how many more years it will take gretz to beat this one mike if espn pisses you off call them they do respond to calls last night called when they said they were cutting to baseball and we couldn see the sudden death overtime for the buffalo game apparently they received enough calls so they waited for the overtime to finish before cutting away their phone number is susan dart roots in detroit he would be valuable asset to the wings and perhaps the rangers could get zombo in return wake up and smell the norris rick zombo was traded to the blues for vince riendo sp last season mike sorry mike what defensemen would the wings be willing to give up for beezer not buffalo fan but could get on their bandwagon if they win welcome aboard and since haven seen this yet this year but all preceding years let me say not in article cmu edu cmu edu carol while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name clint malarchuk what has happened to him since assigned to san diego gulls at the being of the season believe what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info it was uwe krupp and blues player though uwe skate beleive cut clint he has since be traded to the isles in the lafontaine deal has this ever happened before in hockey game this is the only time know of tom gwitt edu go sabres stuff deleted when quinn took over vancouver several years ago not last year they regularily missed the playoffs can recall if they missed the playoffs the year before his hiring but they probably did quinn has improved the team from non playoff calibre to serious contender when murray took over in detroit the were about team that was contender to win the norris division and possibly even stanley cup contender the last year before bryan murray took over the wings did not make the playoffs while they had been considered possible contender when jacques demers first arrived in his last two years they were respectively embarrassed in the first round by chicago and then failed to make the playoffs at time might add when there were only five teams in the norris it true that vancouver did not make the playoffs for many year before quinn came but in those years the smythe division was lot mean lot tougher division than the norris also known as the snorris division vancouver had to play edmonton and calgary both very legitimate stanley cup contenders eight times year while detroit got to play such powerhouses as toronto and minnesota now edmonton is hardly even force in the league and the smythe even has the mighty san jose sharks while over this same period of time in which vancouver was improving so was everybody in the norris except st louis detroit had to improve just to keep up with the competition in their division they had to improve lot to get better than their competition in the norris bryan murray inherited team with very little talent for really good players they had yzerman burr and probert and that was about it and no doubt some will dispute whether burr and probert were that good the rest were either very green rookies or washed up veterans the only reason they got as far as they did in the years before murray came was due to the coaching of demers who at least at first got every last ounce of effort possible out of his team then even his coaching began to degrade so quinn has improved his team more than murray has since taking over as gm quinn is one example of better gm than murray there are number of reasons why detroit wasn in as bad shape standings wise when murray took over as vanc was when quinn took over some of which outlined above but murray did not have any better personnel to work with at the outset than did quinn with the exception of yzerman and one player cannot alone make team into stanley cup contender as sure everyone reading this will agree we ll be able to see better which team is really the most improved when they face each other in the conference final assuming they don get knocked out like last year gregmeister randy am curious to known if there are any professional sports teams whose games are regularly broadcast on an fm station the only one am aware of is wysp in philadelphia who carries the eagles games if you respond to me will summarize for the list bruce slutsky njit edu the tv coverage of the playoffs is fucking ridicules overtime time games that are not shown what the hell kind of shit is this if that would have happened to the flyers if they were in the damn playoffs to begin with while was watching would have gone throught the roof however everybody is getting pissed off at espn but they are not the ones to blame they have prior contracts that they just can simply break whenever they want to the is to blame when they signed the deal with espn they had to know of this they had to know shit like this would happen since they wouldn have complete priority the should be feeling the heat that is being thrown at espn how can the do this to its fans how dare they we are the ones that make the damn league exist and they can even televise complete playoff games for us to watch they more write about this the more pissed off get we must let the know that we expect little better than this if anybody out there knows how to go about doing this let me and everybody else know well had to get that off my chest and while at it mario is the michael jordan of hockey all that fucker has to do is fall on the ice and the closet guy to him gets at least last night in the game between nj and pitt he was being pushed while skating across the front of the goal while trying to get shot off the guy on him was doing good job so he got off weak shot but then he decided to fall to the ice then the fucking ref van helloamend called the guy for holding they replayed the play and my roomate who is clueless about hockey wanted to know what the nj guy did to get call because it was so fucking obvious the nj player had both hands on his stick and no he did not trip him it is simple mario gets touched he falls to the ice automatic but the thing that really pissed me off is pitt scored the or goal don remember on the resulting pp and eventually won his diving calls makes huge difference in the outcome of game they gotta stop the damn holding and interference that is so fucking obvious that is not hockey it allows inferior players to bring down the level of the better players and allows inferior teams to beat better ones this has pissed me off for many years now and it has improved somewhat however during the playoffs and periods the damn refs must misplace their balls because they sure don make any calls that show that they got any all agreeing or disagreeing replies are welcomed steve there are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the fans feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties more than names honouring personages think compromise would work namely honouring personages in conference names and using geographical references in the divisional names although still do not think the move will draw fans to the game imo it cosmetic change that bettman and the owners hope will have an effect and it doesn say much for the mentality of anybody it works on either another thing that bothers me is the points system percentages as used in the other major sports are clearly more informative when look at the nhl standings the first thing have to do is make quick calculation to account for games in hand which is almost always the case some will object to percentages claiming perhaps that it is an americanization of the sport surprise agree totally the points system is fine if everybody at all times has played the same number of games since this is almost never the case winning percentage is the way to go don particularly care if it is an american thing either if it works ists ca bleep bleep bleep the bruins lost again in can stand it aside from frustrated ravings must give buffalo credit they are making good on most of their scoring opportunities and are playing great defense boston players can seem to get control of the puck anywhere near the buffalo net except for on rare occasions the buffalo defense is also doing an excellent job clearing away rebounds fuhr is playing great when the big save is needed but he also getting plenty of help boston has been playing rather well better than would be indicated by the series score of but is lacking that extra drive in the earlier part of the game as result boston keeps leaving the ice at the end of the period goals down this must stop if boston is to have any hope of winning single game the outlook for the bruin advancement to the second round are quite bleak imho the bruins need to score first if they can do that they have an excellent chance of winning since they have outplayed the sabres in the and periods the scary thing is that ll be going to grad school in buffalo next year ll never cheer for the sabres you can convert me mike mosscrop die hard bruins fan dept of chemistry umass lowell ulowell edu here one from the mill the oilers might move to hamilton where porklington can get free deal given what labour relations and puck has been like it would be sigh of relief heard yesterday that pocklington was talking with folks at copps that afternoon yesterday valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat over the boards grab buffalo edu his hand and start running around the outside cc buffalo edu faster and faster wanted to learn how to get that feeling and the only way was to learn how to skate lafontaine mcgill hammond johan garpenlov would you really rather have those two instead of johan by your logic then you enjoy having falloon and ozolinsh on injured reserve falloon was hurt on clean check he just fell poorly same with wilson don know about ozolinsh judo coach would do more for the sharks injury situation than bob probert actually judo ju jitsu coach could help add really interesting wrinkle to anyone game archer in article harvard edu med harvard edu mark shneyder says the fat lady is about to hit the first note okay how about deficits the chances for comeback are now less that based on game playoff format actually that based on the nhl history of games the statstical odds of winning one straight game two straight games three straight games straight games the odds of the penguins winning straight games in the playoffs was of course this doesn include weighted average but the pens beating the devils straight weaker team along with beating the rangers straight much stronger team has made the act balanced out that about right for boston the odds of winning are probably closer to with weighted average since buffalo record isn as good and boston has stronger team enough about my qba probabilities though it just goes to prove anything is possible if you integrate that to debbie gibson who do you think gets the start in game three hope it is going to be blue if the team can rally around him maybe moog can too moog gets about out of for his performance from me give blue starts fuhr has been too tough buffalo caught hot goaltender just in time mean after all buffalo is wins losses in their last harry sinden appearance outside of dressing room after game was pathetic site he said something really retarded to cover sutter behind this game is not about winning or losing harry check the it very frustrating to lose and you ve gotta say something actually it not about winning or losing it is how you play the game but when the competition is magnified to this level of the people only care about who wins or loses schedule your team is in the playoffs and about to go on long summer vacation on sunday morning think buffalo will win in it not like boston is getting blown away they lost ot games with different bounce they could easily be up harry and his buttkisser milbury will never admit that they screwed up in major way when they brought in one of the dumbest people in the business brian sutter sutter playoff record as the head coach in st louis speaks for itself the blues really have chance to advance to the second round this year good point here chicago in deep trouble tonight the hawks have bad past history of winning the division and losing early when they don finish they do okay robbie po streakers we do what comes naturally patrick division semi pgh penguins you see now wait for the penguins devils stanley possibility don you see penguins lead cup champions strong resemblance dg in article com com dan gauthier says even see just one little boston fan post cept for the bruins fans that aren cocky guess the concept of fan who is not cocky is something you couldn possible understand eh my sig has nothing to do with cockiness what you put in your sig has nothing to do with your article as learned back in the fall the hard way nah doubt you really would you re just being provocative sob as usual with large stick up your but of course mean that in the you mean butt don you not but nicest way sure you do what and just how much bragging did you do wobbie on after umass beat your quakers two points one what does have to do with hockey secondly umass beat my quakers hello earth here are you responding we re not in the atlantic or whatever you wanna call it we re in the big now the was too weak for my lady lions they had to go to more challenging conference it didn pay off as the big east showed them thing or too but still posted on regular basis and tracked all the women scores with reviews throughout the tournament it wasn reason to stop posting btw congratulations should go to the sabres they are playing more it not over yet if anyone has chance to come back in games think boston can do it but still see buffalo winning in diciplined and with more will to win they deserve it agreed they re playing tremendous hockey right now congatualtions on three straight buffalo it could very easily be boston but buffalo has come up tough and little luck you never see penalty in ot that doesn have both sides involved in playoff game never never never robbie po streakers we do what comes naturally patrick division semi pgh penguins you see now wait for the penguins devils stanley possibility don you see penguins lead cup champions strong resemblance dg if espn pisses you off call them they do respond to calls last night called when they said they were cutting to baseball and we couldn see the sudden death overtime for the buffalo game apparently they received enough calls so they waited for the overtime to finish before cutting away their phone number is susan dart well think whenever espn covers the game they do wonderful job but what don understand is that they cut the ot just show some stupid baseball news which is not important at all then waited for the scores to comeon sportscenter but they talk about baseball basketball and football then they showed penguine highlight and went back to stupid basketball finally they showed highlight of the ot goal but that was like sec think they should give more attention to nhl during the playoffs then talking about boring basketball games guess it is nhl fault too for leaving espn hope things improve by next season cobra wow this guy seems to be out to prove something to his old team boston which sweeney you ask well of course bob sweeney the one that boston let buffalo get hold of they still have sweeneys which makes things slightly confusing game winner in ot in game and another big goal seconds after fuhr made point blank saves this is why grant has rings to put buffalo ahead in the yes neely countered minute later but hadn this course of buffalo going ahead after being tied and shutting down another few great scoring opportunities think boston would have notched their first win of the series well the sabres haven made it to the end of this series yet but certainly feel they ve got boston right were they want them actually they ve got them in position that neither buffalo nor boston felt that would come about one more astronomical game by fuhr few more heroics by the rest of the team this is team sport afterall and think borque neely jouneau sp and company are gonna be swinging new stick weather is perfect for golf season real soon not gonna waiger anything on this because ve seen some really strange things happen in both pro and college hockey talking about golf was that hockey swing golf swing or baseball swing that hawerchuck used in the last shot of the game that khmylev deflected in for the big one the whole ot all minute of it was tesiment to buffalo ability to really be persistent and grind it out in the end something they weren necessarily in the regular season the sabres pushed hard and forced borque to blatently take down bodger in the opening seconds don normally like penalties being called in such ultra critical points but this was blatent finally the sabres won faceoff they weren that hot in this dept the rest of the game when lafontaine scooped at the puck times when hawerchuck took his shot quite boomer but blue stopped this one he took few steps over to get his own rebound and slapped at it again without setting it up didn realize it went in until the announcer started screaming they score they score the best was seeing lafontaine jumping up and down skating little bit jumping some more and then skating over to brad may who he jumped on doug mckee buffalo edu don cherry announcing penguins games yeah and to quote pgh goofy mayor the queen of sheba well your majesty couldn you just picture it cherry starts doing his first post game interview with barrasso tommy gives him that little look like somebody crapped on his shoe and then proceeds to give don tonsilectomy with his sher wood now that you could put on pay per view hope you had good laugh george george pandelios internet cmu edu software engineering institute usenet sei gjp fifth avenue voice pittsburgh pa fax disclaimer these opinions are my own and do not reflect those of the software engineering institute its sponsors customers clients affiliates or carnegie mellon university in fact any resemblence of these opinions to any individual living or dead fictional or real is purely coincidental so there and ll give fuhr new one an honourable mention although haven seen it closely yet it looked good from distance this is the new buffalo one the second since he been with the sabres recall price tag of over just for the paint job on that mask and total price of almost ouch yeah it the second one and believe that price too ve been trying to get good look at it on the bruin sabre telecasts and wow does it ever look good whoever did that paint job knew what they were doing and given fuhr play since he got it bet the bruins are wishing he didn have it while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name what has happened to him since what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info has this ever happened before in hockey game thanks carol go pens remember reading an article in reader digest many moons ago about similar incident during minor leaque game player neck was cut when the opponent he was back checking tripped and his skakes flew up in this case the victim mask proved hinderance since his face was protected and so he didn bother with the usually instinctive reaction to protect his face neck quick thinking coach saved his life by applying direct pressure and using snow to contract the blood vessels from what can remember bill scott ubc ca go jets go down but not out hi guys looking to answe bit of trivia what hockeplayers have appeared on major talk shows on tv letterman carson leno arsenio etc shows of national nature include canadian equivalents if you can think of any this can include nhl olympic and world champion ship players pretty sure ve seen gretzky and lemieux but was wondering if there were any others saw messier and leetch shooting at camera on letterman could have been any show though since watch none of those late night shows very regularly john santore philadelphia flyers in we break the surface tension with our wild kinetic dreams rush grand designs go philadelphia flyers john santore cmu edu rush yes king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesis gabriel really feel the need for knowledgable hockey observer to explain this year playoffs to me mean the obviously superior toronto team with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing what gives unfortunately roger is now over at baseball spewing his expertise being dickhead guess he is afraid of posting anything here because he knows what to expect john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder colorado edu isn he the guy who took shots at jagr and ulf in recent sports illustrated not familiar with cherry work and maybe he known for sarcasm but have to wonder about him doing commentary for the pens bart and tuttle is no longer with the blues but don know where he is possibly in the ihl but you best ask blues fan steve tuttle was traded from the blues to tb in the before the start of this season along with pat jablonski for future considerations he played for milwaukee of the ihl then got traded from tb to que along with michel mongeau he currently playing with halifax of the ahl joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues that more or less says it flicked the penguins game on briefly and saw ulf cross check valeri in the face am wondering if don cherry is going to go off on this at all in coach corner billc bill clare eastman kodak company internet kodak com elmgrove road phone rochester new york any opinions expressed herein belong to me and not to my employer the worst thing is that this is exactly what did last year had the rangers on msg and the two different games on scny and sca on at the same time yes rather have sc cover it just for the amount of coverage so this year you had game on scny game on sca game on espn and if the rangers hadn crashed and burned you would have had game on msg what are you complaining about seem to recall last year everyone complaining about sc coverage even remember orioles games being shown in the dc area instead of hockey and what about when sc failed to show the conclusion of other games because its feature game was over sound familiar this year getting twice the coverage can see all the caps games plus the games espn shows think it great that hockey is back on espn imho they re doing great job especially considering the baseball contract they have to work around peter kester org felix potvin deserves to have the sh kicked out of him if there is anyone that he should be hitting with his stick its his pussy defensemen who can seem to move big dino ciccerelli lbs out from in front of the net obviously toronto has realized that they are overmatched by the wings and must rely on trying to antagonize the superior red wings with cheap shots prefer to watch hockey than seeing shots of felix potvin slashing and spearing dino ciccerelli standing in front of the net he has every right to stand in front of the net just not in the crease yes he does but the goalie sure as hell doesn want him there when played roller hockey boy do miss those days as goalie would scream at my defense to clear guys out of the slot don care if he in the crease or not get him the hell away from me so can see the ball yes roller hockey remember and if there was nobody around to clear the slot then do it myself by pushing the offending player hard hate people in my way when the goalie and am sure felix does too should say that didn see the incident so if potvin really swung the stick big time then that not right but he can move people out of the way he player on the ice too you know keith keller let go rangers sas upenn edu ivy league champs in this corner let go quakers weighing in at almost every weight imaginable life and all that surrounds it blues traveler really feel the need for knowledgable hockey observer to explain this year playoffs to me mean the obviously superior toronto team with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing what gives unfortunately roger is now over at baseball spewing his expertise being dickhead guess he is afraid of posting anything here because he knows what to expect it is indeed nice to have fans that are concerned about the dearth of disputatious dissertation linked to my hiatus have simply been too damned busy lately to keep you lads and lassies entertained you can be sure however that will somehow manage to find time to woof if the leafs give just cause and let all try to keep people names especially mine out of the subject headers for one neither seek nor enjoy such cheap form of notoriety one thing you can be assured of however is this the leafs are the best of all the teams in the league that have allowed goals in games cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time richard coyle gomer edu wrote that not inner calm it boredom and it being spoiled the arena been as quiet as church on many nights this year too many of us just take winning for granted it been seemingly forever since the team lost and we ve forgotten what it like to feel real excitement and surprise at victory at least last night there was some excitement the pens didn have it wrapped up before the game was half over like the previous two games not sure if nj just rose up and played better or if the penguins just started to play down somewhat probably it was somewhere in between new jersey seemed much more aggressive last night in the pens end they did much more swarming around which at least kept an element of suspense in the game no question that billington helped make it more interesting also claude lemieux didn help the cause any though with his ejection early in the game so who going to start in the devils goal for the final game sunday sorry couldn help myself tom huot com gerald olchowy chem utoronto ca wrote bowman is the genius johnson isn bowman is great coach johnson very good one however bowman is really not modern coach and patrick solution of having him only run the team on game days and delegate most of the day to day responsibity to the assistants is shrewd managerial decision on patrick part imho bowman is the perfect coach for this group of players at this time johnson was the perfect coach two years ago for his group of players would say we have been very lucky here in pittsburgh that the order these coaches came in was this one excluding the unfortunate circumstances which brought about the change with the immense talent on the penguins roster this year tougher bowman keeps the egos in check johnson on the other hand was able to inspire the younger inexperienced players to new heights both coaches have had different strengths both of which came at exactly the right time another person also mentioned that bowman is the perfect coach for this time since nobody can argue with his decisions how can you argue with the coach with the best record in hockey anyway playing for great coach like that demands respect which also keeps the egos in check just couple of ideas tom huot com hello could someone tell me if and where could find faceoff stats for the season and later on the think its to early to get it now thanks lot jp while watching the penguins devils game last night saw the slash that barrasso took on the neck this brought to mind the goaltender who had his jugular vein cut by skate think he was sabre but not positive does anyone remember know his name what has happened to him since what about the player whose skate cut the goalie name info has this ever happened before in hockey game thanks carol go pens it was clint malarchuk whatever happened to him anyway barfly go sigh leafs cry now here this anyone voting for john blue for best goalie mask poll will be shot on site no questions asked but mon it black mask with yellow paint along the opening how totally plain vanilla eeuu heh someone mentioned tommy soderstrom flyers for the besk mask poll too in the mentioned below part all he has is plain white helmet with big cage found this pretty amusing john santore philadelphia flyers in we break the surface tension with our wild kinetic dreams rush grand designs go philadelphia flyers john santore cmu edu rush yes king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesis gabriel hey man having spent the past season learning to skate and having played couple of sessions of mock hockey ready to invest in hockey equipment particularly since will be taking summer hockey lessons however am completely and profoundly ignorant when it comes to hockey equipment ve checked out local stores and looked at catalogs but was hoping to solicit opinions suggestions before actually plunking down any money having played football in high school and college at least have that equipment as basis for comparison but for example what are the advantages disadvantages to different kinds of shoulder pads and pants girdles are there any notoriously bad or unsafe brands or styles etc so any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated tom menner when you re swimming in the creek software engineering institute and an eel bites your cheek carnegie mellon university that moray pittsburgh pa fabulous furry freak bros the worst thing is that this is exactly what did last year yes rather have sc cover it just for the amount of coverage so this year you had game on scny game on sca game on espn and if the rangers hadn crashed and burned you would have had game on msg what are you complaining about the problem is that by no fault of espn ongoing games are not covered til the final horn sounds with two channels scny and sca late finishing games up to pacific time and overtimes elsewhere will kick in at the end of local coverage if scny is blocked by the mets there is still some hockey on sca scny plus with an espn the current situation would be alleviated gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley said gund will have to open his checkbook didn say give up any draft picks or promising talent if we could have gotten murphy for the great but agree the sharks shouldn give up young talent or early round draft picks listed chelios et al only to indicate the type of player think the sharks need to pick up the rules on signing free agents less than years old puts big restriction on what the sharks can pick up however do believer they need to pick up some players who will add toughness to the team but you have to remember that you re unlikely to get any real quality free agents who do not require compensation the sharks tried with makarov who was probably the top of the class among non compensation free agents but even he probably wouldn have helped too much don expect to get top quality just some toughness don view makarov as player who would add toughness size hopefully won be much of worry next year alexander cherbayev and michal sykora have agreed to multi year contracts and it appears that mike rathje will also sign soon all three are pretty big size alone isn enough we all know how much fear kolstad struck in the eyes of opponents not well rathje and sykora are both highly touted prospects unlike kolstad and cherbayev was initially supposed to play for the russian wc team anybody know what happened there that means that he likely to be good enough nelson you re confusing skill and toughness mcgill hammond johan garpenlov would you really rather have those two instead of johan by your logic then you enjoy having falloon and ozolinsh on injured reserve by your logic then you think that if the sharks had kept mcgill and hammond that you can guarantee that falloon and ozolinsh wouldn have gotten hurt think again there was chance that mcgill would have caused ozolinsh to get stuck at kc and as you know hammond is worthless and mcgill is almost worthless well wilson maybe but don think falloon and ozolinsh were really injured on cheapshots who said they were if they weren then don see any justification that having mcgill and hammond around would prevent their injuries if the injuries of falloon and ozolinsh were purely accidental then what could mcgill and hammond have done to prevent them hey get off the mcgill hammond thing no fan of either my point is that last year the sharks had toughness that was missing this year this year we had more skill all for that but if your skill players keep getting beat up and injured they can do you much good whether it cheap shot or not you can let the other teams push you around the sharks simply got pushed around to much other teams knew this they knew they could aggressively check the sharks and not pay for it adding some players in the off season who will add some toughness to the team will help insure that next season other teams will be more hesistant to vigorously check our skill players or to take cheap shots it doesn guarantee no injuries nothing does but it something the sharks can do to reduce the number of injuries mark just say mark spiegel lockheed com cow palace epicenter two years ago mark messier appeared on david letterman the summer he signed wit the rangers remember he and mike gartner taking slapshots at the camera one finally was bullseye and the screen went blank it was funny if you saw it guess who should get the hart mario jesus no it bad enough for me just to utter the word without being extremely sick and pissed off they guy luber ten minutes now give me king break with this mario is the best player ever what did gretzky die wish bobby clarke not that condone violence but ll make an exception for mario but if mario is going to complain about being hit someone should give him and scotty something real to complain about sorry to ramble as you can see hate mario pat walker unb why don you kill him beav well dunnow eddie might get in trouble here gun beav shoot him beav well ok eddie blam blam wally you re in trouble now beave as far as the stanley cup goes think there only one team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit this would be the most entertaining and hard fought series mario is amazing kurt that is if mario makes it pat walker sounds like the type that would bring an ak to game and take pot shots at mario stand still dam sunavbich hmff joseph stiehm live in pittsburgh yes pens fan where hockey gets lot of coverage can only imagine how caps fan residing in texas must feel or caps fan residing in atlanta where they dont even tell the playoff scores on the news go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu according to the hockey gurus over at espn should the islanders win tonite the two teams will have the same record but the devils will be playing the penguins this is because the islanders have won the season series against the devils think the rules for deciding tie breaker include season series goals against goals for in this order correct me if wrong anyone have anything to add craig go islanders was watching the detroit minnesota game last night and thought saw an octopus on the ice after ysebaert scored to tie the game at two what gives no no no it squid keep the tradition alive kinda like the fish at unh games actually the way understand it it is an octapus apparently number of years ago fan threw an octapus on the ice and the announcer said octapi will not occupy the ice or something like that and it happened ever since the fans cheer those who pick up the dead octapus with their hands and boo those who use shovel matt at uva if the islanders beat the devils tonight they would finish with identical records who the lucky team that gets to face the penguins in the opening round also can somebody list the rules for breaking ties am not sure about the tie breaker rules however think if the islanders win oh god please please let them win the islanders win the series against nj and advances to third of course no one asked me always interject my opinions on maters have no concern over go islanders mean come on the jets were bad enough go jets for in response to debate about who has has better season jagr of francis think jagr did he probably had better point per minute ice time stats don exist to properly analyze this and he had substancially better actually what think has become more evident is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost jagr did not have better season than francis to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with modicum of hockey knowledge save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available until the nhl publishes more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality is the player put out in key situations like protecting lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team top one or two lines short handed etc would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications is useful statistic if player is on the ice when his team scores lot of goals and only allows few goals he must be doing something right it is especially useful to compare between teammates as they play for the same team and should have roughly similar ratings if they are equally good players it can be adjusted with varying degrees of success to compare between players on different teams agree it would be nice for the nhl to keep more statistics but how useful are the ones that you suggest total ice time would be very useful it is missing stat in jagr vs francis arguments from before somehow measuring the quality of ice time as you suggest would be useless it would be better stat for evaluating coaching ie are the players given quality ice time actually their talented ones very good player could be given low amounts of quality ice time because of team depth or stupid coach who doesn recognize his talent and very bad player could be given lots of quality ice time because of lack of team depth or stupid coach that thinks he is an effective player this stat would be much more flawed than and almost no conclusions could be drawn regarding player talent is useful stat it is quite useful in evaluating player talent you are the one displaying ignorance because of your unwillingness to see that being on the ice when goals are scored but not when they are allowed is very positive thing and should be evaluated as such gregmeister so if potvin can pound on dino what happens when dino pounds on him if dino gets his legs slashed can he slash potvin in return this year at um lssu hockey game um player was called for slash when he hit the goalie glove with his stick is that slashing while hitting someone ankles isn how do the refs know what to call do the goalies get more liberties than other players brad looking to answer bit of trivia what hockeplayers have appeared on major talk shows on tv examples deleted pretty sure ve seen gretzky and lemieux but was wondering if there were any others michael fox was on letterman about year ago or two during the playoffs as celebrity hockey player for the bruins while he not exactly nhler he did mention that the bruins wanted to break ulfie legs or something like that in response to the neely incident it was quite amusing as one of the few letterman viewers who actually knew what he was talking about anybody know who the pens celebrity hockey player is michael douglas aka michael keaton joseph stiehm what sadist brought up this vein about malarchuk when saw what happened wanted to throw up and at the same time was devastated since thought that malarchuk wouldn survive btw believe he picked up an alcohol problem after before the incident to radically change the subject the caps must be having nightmares about the isles in overtime in the playoffs have they ever beaten the islanders in playoff ot game this is lunacy the caps are such sorry team in the playoffs they consistently choke against opponents who they should be beating losing two ot games in row is not coincidence it evidence of the choke factor keith keller let go rangers sas upenn edu ivy league champs in this corner let go quakers weighing in at almost every weight imaginable life and all that surrounds it blues traveler in article franjion colorado edu unfortunately roger is now over at baseball spewing his expertise being dickhead guess he is afraid of posting anything here because he knows what to expect john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder colorado edu hey we could start new game on the net it called where roger it similiar to where waldo but instead of finding waldo in picture of people we try to find roger in newsgroup on the net predict that he ll be in basketball pro next laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings mario is the michael jordan of hockey all that fucker has to do is fall on the ice and the closet guy to him gets at least last night in the game between nj and pitt he was being pushed while skating across the front of the goal while trying to get shot off the guy on him was doing good job so he got off weak shot but then he decided to fall to the ice then the fucking ref van helloamend called the guy for holding they replayed the play and my roomate who is clueless about hockey wanted to know what the nj guy did to get call because it was so fucking obvious the nj player had both hands on his stick and no he did not trip him it is simple mario gets touched he falls to the ice automatic but the thing that really pissed me off is pitt scored the or goal don remember on the resulting pp and eventually won his diving calls makes huge difference in the outcome of game all agreeing or disagreeing replies are welcomed steve we must have been watching two different games the devil had one hand on mario elbow and pulling the elbow caused mario to fall so the call was appropriate using clueless people to substantiate your claims doesn give me lot of confidence in your call either next time consider getting second opinion from clueful observer or maybe all those available disagreed joseph stiehm for one am happy about the ranger hiring of keenan it too bad that they agree that keenan is an excellent choice did you see mike lupica column in sunday news my sentiments exactly think he just may be the one to instill some hunger and fire into their hearts next season either that or he going to be kicking alot of butt reading through most of these hockey news don see many ranger fans writing here but am new to this group and have been keeping fairly quiet you know doing the lurking thing don have sense how many rangers fans there are on the list either am die hard ranger fan guess have to be sat in the garden throughout the penguins led by mario goals decimation of them on but am sick at the abundance of talent that has been totally untapped and the lack of heart displayed this season have some final questions about the way the team was handled in that last dreadful stretch knowing they needed offensive help from the blueline why didn we see mike hurlbut who played pretty well when he was called up when leetch first went down hurlbut was injured for quite while not sure but think he may have recovered in time for the playoff run and if so like you question why he wasn used why is joe kocur playing every night he is not bob probert who is tough but also can play believe kocur was used in many instances for his intimidation factor granted he seemed to get an awful lot of ice time for that reason alone but you have to realize that when team is not doing any real physical intimidation like to have nickel for every time said they ve got to take the body more you ve got to at least have some illusions how come paul broten is relegated to street clothes for the end of the season at least he plays with some heart and character draws penalties and plays when he on the ice was he in the doghouse for some reason agree and don know joe cirella enough said sorry don agree with you here think joey did good job filling in when he was asked to can imagine that it easy going from near ice time to being full timer don seem to remember him turning the puck over at the blue line too much or failing to clear the zone he worked hard and at least didn make any rookie mistakes as he said himself in an interview he can only give what he has and he did ranger fans may be suffering but we re some of the most loyal unlike islander fans who only show up when the team wins absolutely think attendance at the garden was better on the last day of the season than any average night for the islanders fought series mario is amazing the man is awesome in way enjoying the playoffs more now that the rangers aren in them can really appreciate all the glory mario is getting without hating him because he on the opposing team he deserves it all as far as concerned mary mary blumenstock hamilton edu hamilton college clinton go rangers next year the tv coverage of the playoffs is fucking ridicules overtime time games that are not shown what the hell kind of shit is this if that would have happened to the flyers if they were in the damn playoffs to begin with while was watching would have gone throught the roof for those of you who read tv guide there an article in next week sportsview concerning the nhl and major network broadcasting pretty interesting jennifer one thing you can be assured of however is this the leafs are the best of all the teams in the league that have allowed goals in games cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time roger you should check your facts before posting the kings have conceded goals in games jon as if an aluminum stick being taken to ulf head is gonna solve the problem with violence in the sport of hockey how the hell can you say the guy is goon and justify it with your back assward mentality saying that hurting player will solve anyone problems is asinine new rules and new referee system need to be instituted right now too many of the real goons get away with too much because the ref is watching the play or supposed to be ve seen koharski and van hellemond to name few with their heads up their asses on few calls rather than keeping an eye on the goofballs behind the play even if the linesmen were able to call all penalties it would be an improvement unfortunately that is the way the league is heading you can fight so the only way to retaliate against someone is with cheap shot when the ref isn looking ulf has brought this to high level players stuck in the past like neely who prefer fights to cheap shots are at disadvantage in the new system lets face it cheap shot like high sticking is very effective method it is easier to hide from the refs has better chance of causing injury and you can draw people into fights that way don like it but that the way the league is going by the way there was rather good hit by ulf in the last penguin devil game managed to hit the nj player in the face with stick must have been legal hit after all ulf is clean player and is allowed to do things like that heard story on the local sports news broadcast in edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington will be holding press conference next week while the exact details are not known it is believed to concern the oiler future rumour has it that pocklington signed tentative lease arrangement with copps collesium in hamilton during the press conference pocklington may announce the deal it is quite possible that the deal may simply be way to force edmonton northlands to renegotiate the oiler lease on the stadium northlands has offered to buy the oilers for million earlier but the offer was rejected immediately by pocklington as for me my opinion is divided edmonton has been fairly supportive of the oilers even though they re small market team they had many sellouts in the even with the problems that the team had this year they still brought in more fans than many teams in larger cities did on the other hand if the team does move there is no place more deserving than hamilton of course how would that affect the grand realignment scheme of bettman ny islanders washington first period ny islanders turgeon king thomas second period washington hunter johansson miller ny islanders turgeon thomas vaske washington hunter johansson carpenter pp third period ny islanders hogue unassisted washington khristich cavallini bondra ny islanders ferraro flatley hogue washington hunter johansson khristich pp first overtime no scoring second overtime ny islanders mullen ferraro flatley ny islanders power play scorer pts ferraro flatley hogue king mullen thomas turgeon vaske washington power play scorer pts bondra carpenter cavallini hunter johansson khristich miller montreal quebec first period quebec leschyshyn kamensky sakic pp quebec young lapointe quebec young lapointe duchesne second period no scoring third period montreal bellows odelein quebec lapointe ricci en quebec power play special goals pp en total scorer pts duchesne kamensky lapointe leschyshyn ricci sakic young montreal power play scorer pts bellows odelein new jersey pittsburgh first period pittsburgh mceachern francis taglianetti pittsburgh lemieux samuelsson barrasso sh second period pittsburgh tocchet stevens samuelsson pittsburgh jagr francis ramsey pittsburgh stevens francis murphy pp pittsburgh mceachern daniels mullen third period pittsburgh mullen francis barrasso pittsburgh power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts barrasso daniels francis jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphy ramsey samuelsson stevens taglianetti tocchet new jersey power play no scoring buffalo boston first period buffalo presley unassisted sh buffalo wood moller sweeney pp second period buffalo mogilny lafontaine third period buffalo hawerchuk carney smehlik pp buffalo power play special goals pp sh total scorer pts carney hawerchuk lafontaine mogilny moller presley smehlik sweeney wood boston power play no scoring world championships in germany is there any games being shown here in the us from the wc thanks mc clement although he has pleasant personality aggravatingly pleasant in my opinion is terrible analyst because he is almost alway wrong the prototypical example being new jersey first goal last sunday grew up with dick irvin doing color beside danny gallivan knew did irvin dick irvin was friend of mine bill clement you aren any dick irvin as long as the teams involved do not include the us national team or the new york rangers take john davidson over bill clement any day personality means something to me that is exactly why like clement and emrick on the other hand jd is pompous bull headed arrogant know it all he real turn off which is exactly what do when he on one complaint do have about clement is that he sometimes talks too much if wanted that listen to tim mcgarver doing baseball game mom ok here is my try the czech republic goaltenders petr briza finland somewhere right lukko finland look at the colors of his mask defense leo gudas ex jypht finland now in germany excellent defenseman drahomir kadlec hifk finland jiri kucera tappara finland tomas kapusta hpk finland otakar janecky finland jokerit finland radek toupal hpk finland jiri dolezal jypht finland no new contract jypht owns his player rights all of these czechs kadlec dolezal not anymore are very good hockey players it is big surprise that hlinka selected dolezal dole had bad season in jypht and that why they didn make new contract the other czech we had jiri jonak got fired also there are lots of czechs playing in finland darius rusnak igor liba sejba svoboda watched the game germany czechs in wc today and was astonished about the behaviour of the german audience the german team got few penalties in the last period and the crowd went grazy they threw coins extra pucks and other trash into the rink is that stupid or what guess the canadian referee one of the isostar bros gave the german team penalty for that but it didn help much guess the germans just are proud over their nazi kill em all everyone but us germans sucks attitude they just seem to have that kind of attitude in every possible sport remember the european champs in stockholm in soccer it really pisses me off do not mean that every single german has this attitude that sucks but most of them seem to do jokke kylmaoja oulu fi have some advice for you and some thoughts about your hatred of the minnesota north stars real team like toronto would not be moved you are right just eliminated from the playoffs first round why stay in minnesota when you can go to college in western ontario and actually take classes on map reading and the artistry of bsing specifically set up for just you why should anyone love the stars when hating the leafs is so much better oh sorry well maybe you can understand my big words next time ll limit my vocabulary to words like get real team now and do not waste our time respond to this article love to laugh at your humor even though it it unintentional got big kick out of go leafs go go where home think ncsu edu afc east division champions and afc conference champions squished the fish monday night football november squished the trash talking fish afc championship january if you are buffalo bills fan email me at ncsu edu so we can talk all about the games insight etc if you are packers fan let me know am interested in any news out of green bay could anyone post the game summary for the sabres bruins game you know never really appreciated them before jesus christ the score is now the pens are beating the shit out of the devils who gave up in the middle of the period espn does something smart the announcer states well folks this game is getting out of hand lets go to the islander capitals game celebrate as was actually making progress in my cs homework because was so bored by the scheduled game tear down and throw on my jersey hunter scores go ape shit cause this is the first caps game ve been able to watch all season and what does espn do they go back to the blowout that nj hasn chance in hell of winning the period ends and the sportscaster capitols just tied it up yes oops excuse me goes into his penguin worship mode dont freak pens fans they are worthy of this so glad we wont have to play them as much next year and here comes the period what its the blowout again oh they were just waiting for the cap isles to get out of intermission good they ve put close game back on wait whats this shit they re showing the blowout again aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggg oh guess what the score is now penguins switch games you holy shit they re changing games its about goddamned time lets see if they ll stay later think this proves by point the caps game goes into overtime but due to contractual obligations they have to switch to the fucking baseball sorry for my language but im pissed what the hell were they going to do if their scheduled game went into overtime espn get your head out of your ass now know there are lot first of all think when espn covers the game they do wonderful job but last night felt the same way really hate watching devils pens game everyone knows that devils are going to get their ass kicked why even bother showing them was so bored and these espn people don seem to have any brain after the sundays and last night games they are still going to show devils pens on thu and sun what the hell are they thinking about think if they keep it up like this nhl will never get major network contract rather see caps isls game which is more exciting now just hope all baseball games are rained out on espn so atleast we can get diffrent hockey games experience is what makes person make new mistakes instead of old one mail udel edu am in need of all of the players wearing in the nhl know now only of one ray borque for the bruins any help would be greatly appreciated thanx the logistician reigns supreme go blue go tigers go pistons go lions go red wings wpi edu pierre turgeon of the islanders mike from dean in other tv news the penguins announced yesterday that they will have fewer broadcast tv games and will have games on some sort of subscription pay per view system yuck this is incorrect this year the pens had games on free tv and games on ppv next year they will have games on free tv and on subscription basis you actually get more free game than last year and there will be no more radio only games yes you re right after going home and reading the paper got the full details that what get for making post based on wduq news should know by now they get just about every sports related item wrong ralph as person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn know anything about him don know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about know he was coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously gotta tell you from what see he really sounds like an ass let me know maybe missing something loved the abc coverage the production was excellent the appearance antonio you weren alone abc ratings were very good was schocked to hear that abc telecast was the fifth most watched sporting event over the weekend national rating came out to very respectable top nielsen markets were at in boston the game scored lower at but it had some competion from local sports teams quite frankly expected abc ratings to be under but happy to be proven wrong well well sometimes it pays off clicking away on your cable tv remote control and if you happen to be hockey fan you could just stumble upon playoff hockey game espn picked up detroit toronto game on monday night because the only night game in mlb was being rained out in chicago you have to give espn credit for switching to detroit fox coverage and having bill clement at pittsburgh tv station wate for intermission analysis maybe espn people were giddy over perliminary over night abc ratings for sunday telecast and thought it was good idea to feature the norris division showdown rather than monster truck competion good move espn ppv mark various justifiable rantings on espn coverage by several deleted the only way to change espn thinking if it is even possible is to complain to them directly anyone know there telephone in bristol ct do find it hard to believe that espn doesn think viewers will simply change the channel from boring game know did and then when they didn show the nyi wash overtime was livid if wanted to watch baseball could have turned on the phillies padres extra inning game instead went to bed angry boycotted espn morning sportscenter today was still so incensed my wife says shouldn go to bed angry but last nite grrrrrrr tim mavor am known by many names college of marine studies some call me tim univ of delaware newark de you know much that is hidden tim cms udel edu monty python and the holy grail does anyone have any information about the world hockey championships and specifically about the us team game summaries and or stats would be greatly appreciated usa today reported that the us beat the czech republic but that was the limit of the story thanks laura showing meaningless relatively baseball game over the overtime of game that was tied up with less than seconds left on the clock gimme break where does espn get these brilliant decisions from it called contractual obligations with major league baseball would ve liked to see the ot of the isles caps game but understand where espn is coming from espn is committed to single telecast night and everything after that is bonus ppv mark in article cso uiuc edu ok sure that this has been asked of times before but have wondered since heard it where the hell did the nickname of the habs come from for the montreal canadiens thanks in advance caine schneider the answer is in the faq for this group nough said laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings but only in ny nj philadelphia and chicago everywhere else the only reason sportschannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts and local baseball pre empted the nhl playoffs thus far into this good point not only baseball but local nba basketball games took precedence over any sca nhl playoff coverage ppv mark in article wustl edu don forget paul ysebaert ex devil he good team player and dino ciccarelli and ray sheppard and so on and so on laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings it true that vancouver did not make the playoffs for many year before quinn came but in those years the smythe division was lot mean lot tougher division than the norris also known as the snorris division vancouver had to play edmonton and calgary both very legitimate stanley cup contenders eight times year while detroit got to play such powerhouses as toronto and minnesota now edmonton is hardly even force in the league and the smythe even has the mighty san jose sharks while them thar fighting words hardly force geez miss the playoffs once in years and even after making the final four times in the last five years and everyone thinks its doomsville over this same period of time in which vancouver was improving so was everybody in the norris except st louis detroit had to improve just to keep up with the competition in their division they had to improve lot to get better than their competition in the norris bryan murray inherited team with very little talent for really good players they had yzerman burr and probert and that was about it and no doubt some will dispute whether burr and probert were that good the rest were either very green rookies or washed up veterans the only reason they got as far as they did in the years before murray came was due to the coaching of demers who at least at first got every last ounce of effort possible out of his team then even his coaching began to degrade fedorov primeau kozlov lidstrom sillinger konstantinov drake kennedy racine and cheveldae were already in the pipeline due to devellano murray inherited these guys in addition to yzerman probert carson chiasson etc there are number of reasons why detroit wasn in as bad shape standings wise when murray took over as vanc was when quinn took over some of which outlined above but murray did not have any better personnel to work with at the outset than did quinn with the exception of yzerman and one player cannot alone make team into stanley cup contender as sure everyone reading this will agree no quinn had far less murray took over detroit at time to take advantage of all of devellano good drafting if devellano had not given in to demers request to make the oates trade he might still be gm gerald on april buffalo edu douglas mckee wrote were doomed to th in the division still not convinced the sabres will win this series ve lived in buffalo all my life and these last years have been playoff hell but just sitting back crossing my fingers and hoping the offense can keep scoring have no fear doug the bruins are toast statistically only teams in all the stanley cup series ever played have come back to win and it couldn have happened to nicer team with all the crowing from boston fans ve had to endure over the last month take heart bruins fans at least you finished first in the adams sinister chuckle jack laugh and the world thinks you re an idiot rosereader entered at rose rosemail rosenet usenet gateway rose media on april wuziyun yale edu you wanna know wrote see the providence bruins lost the first two games at home and came back to tie the series on the road there may be hope for the bruins yet toast they re toast and know how much you want me to eat these words but it ain gonna happen are the golf courses in the boston area in playable condition yet jack acid consumes times its weight in life rosereader entered at rose rosemail rosenet usenet gateway rose media on april mcgill ca wrote yahooooooooooooooooooooo what game we finally beat those diques and in the habs dominated this game and especially in you realize that we dominated game also and should be ahead in this series glorieux were plagued by bad luck the puck wouldn bounce their way but in they got their lucky break the winning goal went off gusarov skate thank you lord and it about time we hit posts in this overtime and post in game overtime let hope that we start getting some luck for change he played well in this game but roy inconsistency still makes me nervous otherwise say we re going to win this series no sweat it all up to patrick roy to provide consistent goaltending and those damn bruins lost in their down congratulations buffalo life doesn get better than this agreed jack tagline bad or missing no carrier rosereader entered at rose rosemail rosenet usenet gateway rose media hockey tipset ren vinnare av hockey tipset per bengtson grattis slutst llning per bengtson lars andersson anders engwall staffan axelsson patrik sander hannu hietanen ingvar khan tut fi jan stein roger wennstr lars thore aarhus fredrik nissen marek repinski lars wiklund lennart hedenstr vinnare och lycklig gare av en fbk mugg allts per bengtson kometen som ledde hockeytipset vid halvtid men som sedan fick ge vika anders engwall slutspurten de tre rsta lyckades pricka in den viktiga fr ga sm guld till bryn kanske var det sv rt att tippa slutspelet ocks men man ser att om den mna finalen mellan lule och bryn ist llet hade slutat till lule rdel hade det varit samma vinnare alla fall ljer de korrekta svaren siffran inom parentes anger hur nga som hade tippat detta anger per bengtsons vinnande rad elitserien tippa den slutgiltiga tabellen ster bryn malm rjestad modo lule leksand djurg rden hv gle vilka av de kvartsfinalisterna vidare till semifinal djurg rden lule bryn malm vilka lag ts final lule bryn vilka blir svenska stare bryn allsvenskan stra fr lunda huddinge bj rkl ven aik team vle boden staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey it was great to hear that umass is bringing back hockey it reminded me that couple of years ago there was talk that both bimidgi sp and mankato state trying to upgrade their programs to div status also seem to remember that they had some trouble with new ncaa rule about just who was allowed to compete at the div level was that ever resolved also was just wondering if there is any college hockey east of colorado alaska excepted with the new popularity of hockey on the west coast would expect there to be some interest building at the collegiate levels too anyone heard anything james old mail cc nd edu tonight in boston the buffalo sabres blanked the boston bruins tonight in boston looks like boston can hang this season up because buffalo home record is awesome this is great buffalo fans might get to see revenge for last year glad grant fuhr will never be as over confident after two wins as you are it takes four wins to defeat an opponent each tougher to obtain than the previous one buffalo is off to good start fuhr is proving the fuhr bashers wrong but boston is an awfully good team gerald could anyone post the game summary for the sabres bruins game grant fuhr rules gerald don think trading kisio was intrinsically mistake however trading him for round pick would be he should have been worth lot more than round pick for playoff team in fact would intimate that the offers the sharks got this year for kisio were way greater than just round pick hindsight nobody expected kisio to have his best career year besides without kisio the sharks would have tanked even earlier in the season and gund might have gotten little more serious about getting joe murphy guy who definitely would be around years from now when the sharks do make the playoffs what else could be done the gunds offered million for murphy but the oilers wanted prospect which the sharks declined to give which think is correct didn mean to imply that gund offer wasn enough gund offer was the right but too late in the season offered in november lets sather buy replacement for murphy this season and make the playoffs this year in march doesn help sather with his immediate objectives doesn help with long term objectives only prospect or draft pick does and no way should the sharks do that however getting back to what if games had kisio been traded to chicago last year then the sharks go for october and maybe gund panicks sooner in november and here another what if twist chicago would have had kisio this season they never go after murphy in the first place because kelly is having his best season bigger guys in chicago so gund has no competition so ferriera sather and keenan all look like geniuses broken fax machine and ferriera keenan and maybe kingston and maybe even green lose their jobs kind of makes you shiver doesn it bottomline for every black scenario any of you can concoct for kisio leaving can concoct an equally bright one if the kisio fiasco was the cause of ferierra down fall hope it wasn because he tried to trade kisio but because he screwed it up nonetheless sorry ferierra and kingston are gone and wish gund would follow and what have the gunds done exactly that caused you to wish that they were gone are you serious let ferierra go fire kingston these last two basically mean that sharks are starting over again in terms of the timetable to capture the cup as ve stated frequently out expansion teams had the same gm from inception through cup season broadcast more home games than away games broadcast very few road pacific and mountain time games jack up my ticket prices from to in two years not that going to pay bucks for seats ll probably next to the virtual folks not tell me my priority not let me sell my priority in order for me to get the free jacket force me to order my tickets for next season before get to select my section not let me park at the new arena after paying for their privileged parking lot which was sometimes full when got there for straight years ve been loyal ticket holder since day literally in spring of when the team was announced and not getting that loyalty returned wirtz treats his fans far better by comparison and pocklington with his cheap tix is the best owner of all go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton know one isn suppose to make negative comments on signatures but what did us oiler fans do to you to deserve the stay in edmonton part never wish the kings to leave metro la it too much fun watching the shark beat them mike eisler sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh their players are mighty bright too mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey in article cmu edu as person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn know anything about him don know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about know he was coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously gotta tell you from what see he really sounds like an ass let me know maybe missing something well here in detroit we get to see and hear don cherry quite regularly the detroit area picks up hockey night in canada from cbc ch in windsor where we see don cherry coaches corner between periods we also get to see don cherry grapevine just before the game the grapevine is hockey talk show where don talks to player or coach about what else hockey it actually pretty good show and don isn as annoying as he is on coaches corner think this is were don got his nickname grapes but not sure don use to coach the boston bruins don know exactly when that was could someone fill me in on this info local radio station here in detroit wllz talks to don every tuesday morning personally ve had my fill of donny he really pisses me off sometimes during the detroit toronto game monday night on cbc don gave high praise to doug gilmour saying he was two way player and not just designated goal scorer and that he is probably the best player in the game because of that that fine and agree that gilmour is good two way player but he said the exact same thing about yzerman about month ago on local radio talk show what gives it seems like he just has set speech that he changes when he goes from city to city don cherry think insert star player name for city that he is in is the best two way player in the league today there have been other times can remember exactly what he said that he basically changed his opinions to match the audience he was talking to someone here on the net said something about how don criticized mario lemieux but when the time comes for don to broadcast the cup playoffs from the civic center yes think the pens will make it out of the wales conference don will apologize left and right for his remarks about lemieux in my opinion he is an ass and won change my opinion if in different city sorry if this didn answer your question better but just had to get this off my chest laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings here one from the mill the oilers might move to hamilton where porklington can get free deal given what labour relations and puck has been like it would be sigh of relief this way can can both elements well dave would have to disagree with you there satan himself could own the team and be happy as long as the oilers stayed in edmonton selfish but true don want to see the oilers move no matter who their owner is bart uucp or ab ca knew despite the lack of full game telecast last week it was still too much hockey for atlanta atlanta abc has declined to pick up any playoff games till and even when they show the games on and they will continue to skip the first half hour of the telecast know this is still better situation compared to rest of georgia alabama etc but it is still pretty annoying at least in pittsburgh we had network preemptionchannel which showed all netwoork shows prempted by the local affiliate asked them what their problem was told them that local rating was not that bad considering it was the first nhl game shown after long time without much promotion besides their syndicated programming in the afternoon is usually low rated so what did they have to lose by showing nhl playoffs she told me that they had contractual obligations asked her if golf was shown oin abc would contractual obligations come in the way and how come contractual obligations didn come in the way of last week telecast she then couldn give me coherent answer also added that atlanta had one of the highest neutral site game attendances and that the demographics were good think abc and other networks should begin to tie their high rated programs like roseanne in with thier sports programming hope that everyone in atlanta who reads this bboard calls wsb and complain bitterlyt about this tell them you will stop watching their news telecasts since they seem to be very unprofessional in handling this situation the lady did not seem to settle on single reason sometimes the reason is low ratings then another time she says contractual obligations ok know look pretty desperate on this bboard think have posted or messages already on the issue of nhl telecats over the last few weeks but hey am pretty desperate what am interested is not just sportsbar with multiple screens so thast can watch the game on one of those silent screens are there any hockey oriented bars in this area or does some patrick division or adams division fan have satellite dish don mind paying an admission fee if necessary as person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn know anything about him don know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about know he was coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously gotta tell you from what see he really sounds like an ass let me know maybe missing something for those of you who complain about don cherry and wonder why he is popular the reply is dick vitale and john madden and bobby knight and joe garagiola and howard cosell john madden picks gary clark of the redskins for his all madden team lot over much better receivers for much the same reasons cherry sings the praises of doug gilmour little guy with heart yet one doesn see string of american posts saying that john madden has lost his marbles dick vitale is always promoting this kid from this high school or that college with outrageous statements why should americans expect that canada would not have such characters in relation to our greatest passion which is hockey canadians are very similar to americans culturally our sports are just hockey and curling whereas with americans it is football basketball baseball and bowling gerald however bowman is really not modern coach and patrick solution of having him only run the team on game days and delegate most of the day to day responsibity to the assistants is shrewd managerial decision on patrick part would argue gerald that bowman is the first modern coach bowman canadiens were the first nhl team to have weight room in the he is the first coach have seen that manipulates the press into spreading false game plan rumours during important games listen to the pre game interview will bowman and compare that to what is on the ice agree bowman is master of the lineups remember last year in the sc when he benched jagr only to set him free in ot when jagr banged in the winning goal thought this was trademark bowman and also sign of modern coach am left asking what is modern coach if not bowman jake paul stewart is the worst and most biased ref presently in the nhl we was robbed no patrick roy is the reason the game was lost and ron hextall is the reason quebec won don buy this at all roy was the reason the game was tied and that would not have been the case had dionne kept his cool roy stood on his head for the first minutes of the game when the nords were rushing from end to end kamensky mini break after the tying goal and the first shot by young in ot were both excellent chances stopped by roy roy outplayed hextall for most of the game but roy becomes the villain and hextall the hero because roy team didn make full use of their opportunities whoa what you are effectively doing is implying that if player plays really well he stores up mistakes that can be used at later time ths is not so roy is the villain as you so succinctly put it because he allowed very cheap goal if you think roy outplayed hextall perhaps you should get tape of the game and watch the first minutes of the third period nhl goaltenders make some great saves if they did not they would not be in the nhl in the first place do not expect any particular goalie to be able to make the great saves all of the time even though they are occasionally required however when it comes to routine shot like sakic especially at such crucial time in game don think there are any legitimate excuses hextall on the other hand had lot of lucky bounces description of lucky bounces hextall wasn particularly brilliant on those plays am not arguing that hextall was brilliant am arguing is that relatively weak wrist shot from the outside of the circle shold not result in goal but it was just the goal the timing stank but against an explosive team like quebec they gave them opportunity too many with powerplay that was totally unnecessary in one goal game with less than minute to go there is no such thing as just the goal have not defended dionne for taking the penalty either in fact think it was boneheaded move but it led to one goal only and montreal had two goal lead my main concern is the second goal this most certainly was team loss leclair missed his opportunities as did bellows and brunet dionne took bad penalty damphousse and lebeau were silent carbonneau and savard were step behind all night roy gave up the bad goal roy by no means can be singled out for this loss what you say about the skaters is absolutely true but realize that the game was effectively won you could watch any hockey game in fact you could watch any sporting event period and spend hours discussing the what if missed opportunities they are not important when the final result is decided if get the time soon ll watch the game again and email you list of lucky montreal bounces and list of quebec offensive screwups montreal was leading with minute to go the goalie is the last line of defence and will grant that extra attention is focussed on him sometimes without justification but roy gave up lousy goal and team cannot afford such goal roy looked like player in an industrial league on sakic shot and hextall didn on dionne goal please who cares of what value is it to justify one lousy play with totally unrelated lousy play could do hextall critique if you like but if you re going to assess his performance keep in mind that he made the key saves at the key times roy is paid big money because that is his value compared to other goalies and he still is in the top for the record did not say that roy was not one of the top goaltenders in the league in fact agree that he is the montreal media is the quickest to heap praise and then hurl derogatory comments against the habs they are no better than uninformed fans assume you are referring to me however have pointed out that think the loss can be blamed on roy have not said he sucks nor do think ve made any other derogatory comments if you regard objective and informed fyi observations as derogatory really can help you ists ca in article cl msu edu lbs msu edu david ok buffalo fans am red wings fan but am amazed at how the sabres are beating up on the bruins is there any reason for this is it grant fuhr or mogilny and lafontaine would like to hear from you since do not know much about the sabres dave vergolini michigan state university lbs msu edu pure and simple grant fuhr is money he has been awesome in the playoffs especially last night but mogilny has been scoring well and his russian friend kymlev sp has also done well but fuhr is the biggest reason they are winning and the difference between this year team and previous years bill perry allan sullivan ualberta ca wrote unfortunately that is the way the league is heading you can fight so the only way to retaliate against someone is with cheap shot when the ref isn looking ulf has brought this to high level players stuck in the past like neely who prefer fights to cheap shots are at disadvantage in the new system lets face it cheap shot like high sticking is very effective method it is easier to hide from the refs has better chance of causing injury and you can draw people into fights that way don like it but that the way the league is going by the way there was rather good hit by ulf in the last penguin devil game managed to hit the nj player in the face with stick must have been legal hit after all ulf is clean player and is allowed to do things like that are there any ex nhl hockey players out there who might care to comment on this and end this ridiculously long discussion tom huot com bill clare kodak com wrote that more or less says it flicked the penguins game on briefly and saw ulf cross check valeri in the face am wondering if don cherry is going to go off on this at all in coach corner and that was the only infraction of this type in the game come on wake up geez he not the only player who does this sort of thing think we were kind of lucky the game was not really all that chippy considering the state nj is in about now tom huot com whole lot of completely ignorant stuff about pitt give this guy drug test and some ridalin whale you are at it dvb get off espn back and stop posting articles on this subject there have been to many complainers about this game that it making me sick generally agree with you however last night espn cut away to baseball tonite which looks like sportscenter tailored to baseball and they cut away at pacific that quite contract they have there if espn couldn deliver they should have had transistion plan to let sportschannel pick up the slack nonetheless it is ultimately the fault of the us american public that regular season baseball has precedence over playoff hockey in the support your team support your game somebody in had an excellent idea that we should write chrysler to thank them for supporting hockey with their ads and that we would consider their products here an equally excellent idea watch baseball for minutes know asking lot but that what spew bags are for write down who is advertising and write them letters complaining that they are supporting baseball to your displeasure and that you won consider buying their products because of it mike eisler sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh their players are mighty bright too mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey just some thoughts don usually like to post simply to make fun of player but this time couldn resist during the pens devils game last night second period think kevin stevens was in the penalty box nicholls punched kjell samuellson in the face then raised his stick like two handed sword to defend himself all kjell could do at and pounds was laugh and speaking of swedish penguins defensemen ulf is getting little out of hand lately his cheap shots are getting more frequent and more violent as everybody in the meadowlands except for the officials could see last night he rammed the butt of his stick down one of the devil throat ve always supported the argument he does his job by being irritating but he starting to push it over the edge imho of course holik chop to barrasso neck wasn too sportsmanlike either it seems that he was following the the only way to beat the penguins is to injure them philosophy as my modern drama professor pointed out to me the other day jagr was stoned pretty well tuesday night and last night as well although the seconds he danced around the devils end was pretty exciting matt at uva fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team left in pittsburgh will be the steelers perish the thought but you know you may be right at least as far as major league professional sports teams go they all seem to be becoming big money games much more so than at any previous time to think that if am ever able to move back home several years from now all that may be there is an ahl team at best sigh the interesting thing is that the nhl is also expanding at the same time as it is dramatically increasing the amount of money needed to operate team this would seem to indicate that there big shake out about to occur in the next few years unless player salaries can somehow be brought under control frankly don see how the nhl current drive for expansion is supportable under its current operating conditions if revenue sharing and salary cap don come into the nhl soon look out steve hadn heard about this new when is this new network supposed to start sounds great to me as long as my cable co offers it hopefully epsn will use the lesson given by the master ted turner the season ted introduced tnt many cable co refused to put it on saying that gee we get enough old movies miniseries etc on tbs usa amc wgn wor why do we need another one this was in the fall come spring ted fixed their little red wagons good the previous spring nba playoffs wore on tbs now they were on tnt and still are and everyone gets tnt now so espn should put nfl football and baseball on and leave hockey on espn and if cable co play games and drop espn in favor of espn should alternate baseball and football between channels every week but do the espn guys collectively have the gonads of the turner guy mike eisler sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh their players are mighty bright too mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey kevin stamber purdue university and phil kirzyc the kielbasa kid will roam the arena for interviews woops this is rec sport hockey not rec sport golf hope you check the newsgroup header next time before posting steve if the leaf play like they did in game one they re going to need these watching that game really hurt cheers uwaterloo ca the more violent the body uwaterloo ca contact of the sports you watstar uwaterloo ca watch the lower your class watstar uwaterloo ca paul fussell if the university of waterloo had on opinion this probably wouldn be it espn is pathetic have been watching everybody complain about espn coverage and agree with all of you might suggest that we are getting all worked up over nothing we all knew that espn coverage was going to suck mean have you ever watched during the regular season sportscenter coverage of hockey it sucks mean really sucks espn does not know hockey if it shot them in the ass was really pissed of about last night coverage go to school in ohio know the indians suck so why show them if were bill clement would shoot myself anyway after calmed down after realized that they were not going to show overtime of the caps isles game thought to myself knew that this was going to happen in fact remerbed myself praying that at least they would keep even the boring devils game overall think espn does not care if they show hockey or not and firmly belive that they have know respect for the fans ie because of contract obligations screw you espn praise be to all hockey fans who put up with this shit go hawks jb the keeper of the stats for family hockey pool and looking for daily weekly email servers for playoff stats ve connected with the servers at edu and ucf edu still sorting these two out are there others email please as my site doesn get this group thanks rick panam wimsey bc ca tfbbs wimsey bc ca quoting cire trehguad to all and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated cyt cyt wasn ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to cyt pittsburgh cyt and rick tochett was the captain of the flyers when traded to the pens cyt recently cyt caleb cyt and let us not forget that the new jersey devils traded cyt captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorske cyt man hated that trade well as for team captains being traded in there first year in the nhl the edmonton oilers traded their captain ron chiperfield to the quebec nordique right at the trading deadline for goaltender ron lowe in their second year of existence the edmonton oilers again right at the trade deadline traded their captain this time mcdonald to the vancouver canucks along with the rights to winger ken berry for garry lariviere and the rights to lars gunner petterson as for more captain trivia the next edmonton captain was lee fogilin who was later traded to the buffalo sabres after him was wayne gretzky who was traded to then came kevin low who only this year was traded to the rangers so that every captain the edmonton oilers have had has been traded the present captain is craig mctavish and we ll just have to wait and see well talk to you later steve answers short correct dumb looks are still free blue wave qwk in the boston area you can hear the rangers on wfan and the devils on wabc the whalers on wtic and the red wings on wjr this of course is in addition to the bruins who are currently on weei but may move to whdh because the fools at weei are owned by the celtics and thus will show them over the bruins every time there is conflict you can also get wbal baltimore but don think they have hockey btw once got station from indiana that had fort wayne comets games showing meaningless relatively baseball game over the overtime of game that was tied up with less than seconds left on the clock what actually happened after the pens game turned to espn and the game was nearly at the end of regular then the phone rang turened off the tv later when turned it back on the indians were on then little later the hockey games was on again then the baseball game what was actually on not that it matters any more but some hockey was in deed on goodbye minnesota you never earned the right to have an nhl franchise in the first place whatta weird town whatta ass go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu all these people who send in their polls should take closer look at njd they are very deep team with two very capable goalies and excellent forwards and defensemen shooter in richer an all around do it all in todd chef stasny master of thousand dishes power play captain stevens take look at the numbers or play with them and see for yourselves way back in the early years it took wins to garner the stanley cup soooooo couple of local fish mongers local to the joe louis arena that is started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win after each victory one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the ice they are dead by the way it was brilliant marketing strategy to shore up the demand for one of their least popular products hope this helps lange in article camosun bc ca victoria bc ca tom moffat says can some on give me some stats on forsrg in the world championships if sao mail to victoria bc ca tom moffat victoria canada here are the top point getters in the world jr hockey championships forsberg swe am sooo glad have both these guys on my naslund swe rotisserrie team but then again mario vyborny cze slo bure gretzky neely turgeon damphousse sundstrom swe lebeau and juneau dunno how much time lehtinen fin they ll get valerie hammerl buffalo edu wrote in fact the tradition has been passed down to their affiliate in adirondack in gm of last yr finals an legged creature was hurled onto the frozen pond and landed right at the feet of ref lance roberts it may have been passed to toronto but ve even seen an octopus at the aud last year bruins sabres game knew all about the detroit version but seeing at the aud was bit puzzling don think it puzzling bit it called unoriginality no not bitter bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu nhl playoff results for conference semi finals best of seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf leads stl leads win pit leads bos chi van leads nyi tied mon tor la leads was que leads det leads cal new jersey devils pittsburgh penguins leads series period pit mceachern francis taglianetti pit lemieux samuelsson barrasso sh period pit tocchet stevens samuelsson pit jagr francis ramsey pit stevens francis murphy pp pit mceachern daniels mullen period pit mullen francis barrasso powerplay opportunities devils of penguins of shots on goal devils penguins new jersey devils terreri shots saves billington third shots saves pittsburgh penguins barrasso shots saves att new york islanders series tied washington capitals period nyi turgeon king thomas period was hunter johansson miller nyi turgeon thomas vaske was hunter johansson carpenter pp period nyi hogue was khristich cavallini bondra nyi ferraro flatley hogue was hunter johansson khristich pp overtime none overtime nyi mullen ferraro flatley powerplay opportunities islanders of capitals of shots on goal islanders capitals new york islanders healy shots saves washington capitals tabaracci shots saves att montreal canadiens quebec nordiques leads series period que leschyshyn kamensky sakic pp que young lapointe que young lapointe duchesne period none period mon bellows odelein que lapointe ricci en powerplay opportunities canadiens of nordiques of shots on goal canadiens nordiques montreal canadiens roy shots saves quebec nordiques hextall shots saves att buffalo sabres leads series boston bruins period buf presley sh buf wood houlder sweeney pp period buf mogilny lafontaine period buf hawerchuk carney smehlik pp powerplay opportunities sabres of bruins of shots on goal sabres bruins buffalo sabres fuhr shots saves boston bruins moog shots saves blue second shots saves att spike espn is pathetic have been watching everybody complain about espn coverage and agree with all of you might suggest that we are getting all worked up over nothing we all knew that espn coverage was going to suck mean have you ever watched during the regular season sportscenter coverage of hockey it sucks mean really sucks espn does not know hockey if it shot them in the ass was really pissed of about last night coverage go to school in ohio know the indians suck so why show them if were bill clement would shoot myself hope this makes you feel better but the overtime between the isles and the caps was great hang in there and cherbayev was initially supposed to play for the russian wc team anybody know what happened there yeah they finally came to agreement on contract as soon as the ink was dry he suddenly decided kansas city was neat place to be ergo the want to play for the national team was bargaining chip chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors apple com san jose giants san francisco giants fans giants apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks apple com new seat tbd believe it or not we do have phone books but the current information does not include an area code for edmonton alberta would not be so hostile towards others for asking simple questions would rather appear stupid than open my moutha nd remove all doubt mark twain if you assult someone you get years in hockey minutes is this great sport or what kevin frank acs ohio state edu can the sabres win two more games against the bruins think game three in buffalo will be the most important of the series if the sabres lose that game the party will be over it will be hello next year the key for the remaining games in the series will be whether fuhr can keep up his brillliant goaltending and if mogilny can continue skate by the bruins he has shown demonstrated excellent speed finally the sabres appear to have shown up for the post season sabres bills fan if were pat burns throw in the towel the wings dominated every aspect of the game trying to mix up the lines is dead end murray has too many combinations to counter with my prediction is wings in mark let go wings does anyone recieve annoying email from roger maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group these emails are filled with insults more than are usual in roger posts and have little if any hockey info have recieved two in the last days am just wondering if am special or roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him gregmeister obligatory hockey comment it is highly unlikely that the maple leafs will even get out of their division back to hockey the north stars should be moved because for the past few years they have just been shit real team like toronto would never be moved well if shit means going to the stanley cup finals couple years ago rather be shit than leaf fan go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu as person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn know anything about him don know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about know he was coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously gotta tell you from what see he really sounds like an ass let me know maybe missing something asked him and don cherry denies being roger maynard and he denies any knowledge of usenet he did concede that roger is the best two way poster on the net today his defense is as good as his offence trying to get ahold of the directory assistance operator in edmonton but need the area code to do so if you know it please mail me directly as have little time to scan through all the posts much appreciated geez didn realize things were so bad at ohio state that they can afford phone books or even operators this is probably clinton fault isn it paul badertscher uwo ca hooray hear on tsn that the jets have won game selanne getting hat trick of course here in god country read ontario couldn see that game nor any other in the van wpg series so far because our beloved cbc figures no one out here cares about this series which has looked pretty competitve so far on monday and wednesday nights cbc could have shown the toronto detroit game done the news then picked up winnipeg vancouver they didn tonight you guessed it toronto detroit the news not the end of the jets game then calgary la so if it hockey night in canada why can this ontarian see one of the two series with two canadian teams is this too much to ask paul badertscher uwo ca teemu selanne had goals keith tkachuk had one and luciano borsato scored rare jets shorthanded goal as the jets held on to beat the canucks and close the series to trevor linden and pavel bure had two goals each for the canucks in losing cause selanne came out of two game goal scoring slump scoring two powerplay goals and one on nice breakaway pass from darrin shannon hard work paid off tonight for the jets and if the jets continue to exhibit this strong work effort they can make series of it woofed last year when we were up ain going to do that again ll have to be quietly happy with solid performance daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder according to the hockey gurus over at espn should the islanders win tonite the two teams will have the same record but the devils will be playing the penguins this is because the islanders have won the season series against the devils think the rules for deciding tie breaker include season series goals against goals for in this order correct me if wrong anyone have anything to add thought it was wins goals for gerald broadcast more home games than away games broadcast very few road pacific and mountain time games jack up my ticket prices from to in two years not that going to pay bucks for seats ll probably next to the virtual folks not tell me my priority not let me sell my priority in order for me to get the free jacket force me to order my tickets for next season before get to select my section not let me park at the new arena after paying for their grrrr let start whole nother topic on show bad the sharks are doing on these things swear that all of my partial plan games were televised know exaggerating but in order the new ticket prices suck wait till people try to park at games next year public transit yeah right love to take caltrain for hours to see hour game shelling out hundreds of dollars for partial season plans for two years doesnt mean anything to the sharks as get to pick my seats after the dead rise from their graves to claim their seats frank frank giraffe sf ca us apple pacbell ucbvax well fgiraffe as the noose of narco militarism tightens round our necks we worry about burning flags and pee in jars at work to keep our jobs jello biafra as person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn know anything about him don know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about he canadian thing former coach of the boston bruins and colorado rockies from the summaries that get posted gather that his ongoing beef this year has been the conventional wisdom that canadian hockey is doomed to be second or third rate behind the perceived emergence of the and european programs know he was coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that after he left the rockies he got job with cbc hockey night in canada and hasn looked back since actually he did work for cbc at least on playoff season after the rockies were eliminated read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously gotta tell you from what see he really sounds like an say it combination of flame bait and serious journalism the closest thing you ll find to cherry in the is stan fischler self described hockey maven the similarities are that they both say things that get people upset the difference is that cherry knows the game and fischler doesn ass let me know maybe missing something don character if he were completely rational and noncontroversial he wouldn have job by some definitions he could be called an ass but then some people feel the same about mike lang another character that wish would get wider exposure only one national telecast last year mike eisler sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh their players are mighty bright too mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey current votes for favorite goalie masks player team pts votes ed belfour chicago andy moog boston curtis joseph st louis brian hayward san jose ron hextall quebec gerry cheevers boston retired john vanbeisbrouck ny rangers grant fuhr buffalo mike richter ny rangers manon rheaume atlanta ihl don beaupre washington ken dryden montreal retired others receiving less than mike vernon cal clint malarchuk buf sd ihl tommy soderstrom phil ray leblanc usa artus irbe sj tim cheveldae det sean burke nj rick wamsley tor ret jon casey minn bob essensa win glenn healy nyi toy espo gilles gratton rod stauber la gump worsley pat jablonski tb grant fuhr tor felix potvin tor stephane beauregard win mark fitzpatrick nyi chico resch nyi can someone please tell me which teams the play ed for thanks go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu st as for more captain trivia the next edmonton st catain was lee fogilin who was later traded to st the buffalo sabres after him was wayne gretzky st who traded to then came kevin low who st nly this year was traded to the rangers wasn mark messier captain of the oilers before kevin lowe but of course he was traded as well so your point of every oilers captain being traded is still true stephen legge ucs mun ca so all us hockey automobile racing fans all know exactly where we stand espn delays the martinsville race by day for the nfl draft espn shows baseball instead of the overtime of nhl playoff game gimme break guys does anyone know why this race is tape delay especially until monday is this the weekend for the nfl draft if so postponing the race for day is real slap in the face for racing fans afraid you re right as usual as recall they ve been doing this ever since they started covering the draft live wish they could work out some kind of deal with somebody else such as tnn to get the race on live but guess espn isn much into sharing it also clarifies where auto racing stands on their priority list as if we didn already know charlie shub colorado edu or on leave at the university of iowa uiowa edu finland jyrki lumme teppo numminen peter ahola well well they don like our defenders mainly lumme and numminen about is correct for numminen and lumme teemu selanne compared to kurri selanne points are too high lets make it or no kurri points are too low for kurri and for sel nne well in the canada cup and world championships largely due to the efforts of markus ketterer the goalie or the players listed above and luck there presumably lot of decent players in finland that wouldn be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players however my guess would be that the finnish canada cup team would be team in the nhl wow now it looks like you don like our players what about guys like nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even if he is aging ruotsalainen the main difference between finnish and north american players is that our players tend to be better in the larger rink the canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in europe and think that there was more in our success than ketterer and luck though they helped think that the main reason was that the team worked well together that true game is so different here in europe compared to nhl north ame ricans are better in small rinks and europeans in large rinks an average european player from sweden finland russian or tsech slovakia is better skater and puckhandler than his nhl colleague especially defenders in nhl are mainly slow and clumsy sel nne has also said that in the finnish sm league game is more based on skill than in nhl in finland he couldn get so many breakaways because defenders here are an average much better skaters than in nhl also alpo suhonen said that in nhl sel nne speed accentuates because of clumsy defensemen have to admit that the best players come from canada but those regulars aren as skilful as regulars in the best european leagues also top europeans are in the same level as the best north americans except lemieux is in the class of his own tommi interestingly keenan co coach or is it his number one on team canada at the world championships is roger neilsen but ultimately their hockey philosophies are like night and day keenan believes in pressuring the opposition and taking the initiative within the limits of his system while roger has reactive hockey philosophy which is why messier will be able to and has played for keenan but thought roger way was sure loser it be interesting if the rangers call in the balance of neilsen contract to be keenan assistant roger did do very good job with the mediocre players just as he handled the cinderella canucks of years ago but his mistake was playing the rangers like those canucks last may roger is great assistant coach but considering what must be bad blood between nielson and messier it would be mistake to bring him back even in that role gerald losers like us you are the fucking moron who has never heard of the western business school or the university of western ontario for that matter why don you pull your head out of your asshole and smell something other than shit for once so you can look on map to see where uwo is back to hockey the north stars should be moved because for the past few years they have just been shit real team like toronto would never be moved not only have not heard of the western business school or the university of western ontario ve never even wondered if there was western ontario and judging by the quality of the posts coming from there still not sure that the place exists perhaps should be impressed though since it appears that grade school children in that area have access to the internet rick as person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn know anything about him don know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about know he was coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously gotta tell you from what see he really sounds like an ass let me know maybe missing something for the past couple of seasons don has been the highly successful coach of the rochester americans of the ahl but he is getting his first shot at an nhl job with the bruins named coach of the year in the ahl the last two years and he aims to make the bruins rough team again as they were couple of years back although he played seasons of professional hockey don never played regular season nhl game he did appear in one playoff game for boston in don brother dick played two seasons in the nhl with boston and philadelphia mark mckinzie listen if they re going to buy lunch boxes wisc edu they might as well buy david cassidy lunch boxes uw dept of mathematics madison wi david cassidy here are the final stadings for the usenet hockey draft congratulations to this year winner dave wessels of victoria who parlayed his initial points into points thanks to all teams for entering the biggest usenet hockey draft ever hope to hear from you all again this september for the annual draft it has been my pleasure running the draft and hope you all had fun andrew usenet hockey draft standings week posn team total pts cash last posn dave wessels gilles carmel bob hill seppo kemppainen the awesome oilers hillside raiders mak the knife paranjape jan stein this years model tapio repo rangers of destiny the underachievers frank big fish go flames on thin ice mopar muscle men littlest giants lindros losers die penguin bandwaggoners samuel lau calgary alberta boomer boys delaware wombats general accounting office migods menschen wellsy buttheads dec nh fife flyers rocky mountain high dave snell fluide glacial gerald olchowy gaoler smegheads neural netters the young and the skateless sam his dogs artic storm youngbucs soft swedes simmonac milton keynes kings jeff horvath legion of hoth le fleur de lys yan the man loke kuehn crushers hamster from hoboken streaks brian bergman the finnish force grant marven ice legion goaldingers overachievers randy coulman bozrah bruins skriko wolves buffalo 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idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old here are the final point totals for players chosen in the usenet hockey draft note that only players scored more than points the minimum cost although different players were chosen andrew points team player pit mario lemieux buf pat lafontaine bos adam oates det steve yzerman wpg teemu selanne nyi pierre turgeon buf alexander mogilny tor doug gilmour la luc robitaille phi mark recchi que mats sundin pit kevin stevens van pavel bure pit rick tocchet chi jeremy roenick stl craig janney que joe sakic bos joe juneau stl brett hull cgy theoren fleury pit ron francis tor dave andreychuk mtl vincent damphousse det dino ciccarelli wpg phil housley buf dale hawerchuk stl brendan shanahan mtl kirk muller pit jaromir jagr min mike modano nyr mark messier hfd geoff sanderson mtl brian bellows cgy robert reichel la jari kurri nyi steve thomas det sergei fedorov det paul coffey tb brian bradley phi rod brind amour wsh peter bondra pit larry murphy hfd andrew cassels van cliff ronning wsh mike ridley la tony granato que steve duchesne hfd pat verbeek bos ray bourque cgy gary suter nj claude lemieux mtl stephan lebeau nj alexander semak wsh kevin hatcher min russ courtnall wsh dale hunter que mike ricci sj kelly kisio stl jeff brown que owen nolan van murray craven van geoff courtnall nyr tony amonte nyi derek king min dave gagner phi eric lindros cgy joe nieuwendyk nyi benoit hogue tor nikolai borschevsky wsh michal pivonka min ulf dahlen la jimmy carson nj stephane richer chi chris chelios stl nelson emerson wpg alexei zhamnov bos dmitri kvartalnov van trevor linden wpg thomas steen van petr nedved pit joe mullen chi steve larmer la mike donnelly que andrei kovalenko nyr mike gartner wsh dmitri khristich wsh al iafrate det ray sheppard sj johan garpenlov tor glenn anderson hfd zarley zalapski la wayne gretzky nyr adam graves nj valeri zelepukin ott norm maciver phi kevin dineen det steve chiasson det paul ysebaert phi garry galley pit shawn mceachern mtl mike keane wpg darrin shannon nyi pat flatley nj bernie nicholls que scott young la rob blake phi brent fedyk chi steve smith wsh pat elynuik nj scott stevens cgy sergei makarov wpg fredrik olausson van greg adams tb john tucker chi christian ruuttu chi brent sutter cgy al macinnis nyr sergei nemchinov hfd terry yake nyr darren turcotte nyi vladimir malakhov van dixon ward la tomas sandstrom bos stephen leach hfd patrick poulin wpg keith tkachuk nyi jeff norton mtl denis savard tor john cullen wsh sylvain cote nyr ed olczyk stl kevin miller bos dave poulin van anatoli semenov phi pelle eklund wpg evgeny davydov mtl gilbert dionne nj john maclean que martin rucinsky la alexei zhitnik edm petr klima edm doug weight edm shayne corson edm craig simpson wsh kelly miller edm dave manson chi michel goulet mtl mathieu schneider det bob probert cgy paul ranheim ott sylvain turgeon min mark tinordi ott bob kudelski det niklas lidstrom ott brad shaw edm todd elik bos vladimir ruzicka min mike mcphee nyr esa tikkanen tor dave ellett nj peter stastny la corey millen nj bobby holik buf yuri khmylev tb adam creighton tor wendel clark van sergio momesso nyr alexei kovalev tor rob pearson que valery kamensky chi dirk graham nyr brian leetch edm zdeno ciger tor peter zezel bos ted donato min neal broten hfd mikael nylander phi josef beranek chi stephane matteau edm scott mellanby det keith primeau buf wayne presley nyi brian mullen phi dmitri yushkevich mtl gary leeman buf richard smehlik bos steve heinze tor dmitri mironov chi brian noonan wsh bob carpenter sj pat falloon stl igor korolev tb mikael andersson nyi ray ferraro buf petr svoboda ott mark lamb nyr james patrick mtl benoit brunet nyi scott lachance tor bill berg edm martin gelinas wpg sergei bautin edm kevin todd nyi david volek nyi darius kasparaitis tb roman hamrlik min brent gilchrist nyr phil bourque det jim hiller phi andrei lomakin hfd yvon corriveau buf donald audette bos cam neely chi joe murphy sj mark pederson pit martin straka nyr peter andersson nj janne ojanen ott tomas jelinek min bobby smith tb steve kasper sj ray whitney hfd robert petrovicky buf viktor gordijuk tor joe sacco que mikhail tatarinov sj peter ahola chi rob brown bos glen murray min brian propp hfd tim kerr wsh reggie savage la robert lang stl vitali prokhorov det viacheslav kozlov edm shaun van allen bos jozef stumpel min dan quinn pit bryan fogarty mtl olav petrov tb stan drulia nj claude vilgrain wsh jason woolley que peter forsberg wsh brian sakic wsh randy burridge mtl patrick kjellberg ott alexei yashin edm dean mcammond cgy cory stillman tb brent gretzky buf jason dawe van igor larionov chi sergei krivokrasov andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old watched the game germany czechs in wc today and was astonished about the behaviour of the german audience the german team got few penalties in the last period and the crowd went it was not just those penalties most of all it was the penalty the referee didn call on the czechs right before their first goal grazy they threw coins extra pucks and other trash into the rink is that stupid or what guess the canadian referee one of the isostar bros gave the german team penalty for that but it didn help much guess the germans just are proud over their nazi kill em all everyone don you think it quite silly to call it nazi attitude when some people throw coins on the ice hey don approve the behavior of these guys especially not in wc game but can see any reason for using the word nazi in this connection but us germans sucks attitude they just seem to have that kind of attitude in every possible sport remember the european champs in stockholm in soccer soccer hooligans are not just german problem remember the world cup in italy again there big difference between throwing coins and smashing shop windows or fighting with other so called fans who come to wc just to see if the dutch or the english or the germans are the best bruisers which other sports are you talking about don think soccer is every possible sport it really pisses me off do not mean that every single german has this attitude that sucks but most of them seem to do how many germans do you know do you think out of is most of them if you hear about some white policemen beating black man in the us what do you think about the americans most of them like beating blacks jokke kylmaoja oulu fi robert like to see some playoff games since stuck in buffalo at ub but think boston isn giving up so easy no boston probably won go down easy but if the sabres hadn won game one buffalo would have been out in four and what problem are you having with playoff games here in buffalo there the sabres bruins quebec montreal and whatever espn and abc show and on opposite nights there toronto detroit and whatever espn abc shows more hockey than good chunk of north america either side of the border it wonderful and there are thousands of folks who kill to be in your shoes coverage wise valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat over the boards grab buffalo edu his hand and start running around the outside cc buffalo edu faster and faster wanted to learn how to get that feeling and the only way was to learn how to skate lafontaine what about including points probably no goals at least against opponents but there have been several assists given ian neath there are four kinds of people in this world purdue edu cretins fools morons and lunatics eco help stuck here at computer in new jersey and have no access to radio or tv could someone kindly post the score of the canucks jets game thanks in advance mark is it just me or is the camera work on some of these games really sad can remember how many times during the penguins devils game they showed some guy without the puck being checked in the corner while the puck was being fired on goal in fact think they even missed one goal completely because they were showing two guys holding each other in the corner now the last time watched football game they didn show the lineman going at it while the running back turned the corner for touchdown is it just me greg dody wood season acquired round pick in entry draft grade although perhaps shouldn give grade at all have been accused of knocking on wood too much you nah he was seriously unimpressive even as tough guy his rep however as few games as he had in season that was at that point meaningless hate to judge the talent too quickly butn in dody case tempted to make an exception but won wood played most of his junior career in seattle he was one of the leading scorers on mediocre team when he was traded away in he rarely lost fight and was one of the toughest players in the whl however was extremely surprised when he was drafted especially in the third round he certainly didn look like nhl material paul brownlow visualize data corp redmond wa whirled io com peas tampa bay will either go for russian kozlov think that it or defenseman rob niedemeyer probably spelt the last name wrong rob niedermayer is forward center think with the whl medicine hat tigers his brother scott is defenseman now with the nj devils paul brownlow visualize data corp redmond wa whirled io com peas okay here some gripe ing griping whatever live in santa barbara for reference think okay abc showed the kings flames fine yawn espn through fortunate rainout of baseball game showed the red wings toronto game cool but swear that the advertisements all week long had said that espn would show pitt nj on tuesday and bos buff on thursday raced home from work early pacific to catch the game but alas it was the boston buffalo game and then they promised that they would show the pitt nj game on thursday overnight they changed their mind didn mind that much watched the game hockey is much better than no hockey during the game their were no video highlights from the patrick division what the hell was going on at least they should show video highlights of the other games especially the nyi caps game that was so close my father lives in bowling green kentucky bumbf ck egypt got to watch the pens game on espn just don get it the biggest problem is that buffalo or boston fans who didn want to see the pittsburgh new jersey game will turn on their tvs on thursday and see the pittsburgh new jersey game instead of the buffalo boston game at least in my case just had to wait more days to see my game if were big boston or buffalo fan and missed the game on tuesday due to false advertising on the part of espn be mad as hell oh well hopefully we ll get better coverage next year or something matt coohill the announcers for the buffalo boston were the worst that have ever heard as far emotion goes they had the enthusiasm of droopy dog hope for better on thursday it is meaningless to compare one player plus minus statistic with another players out of the context of the role and the playing time of the players involved to compare jagr and francis plus minus is ridiculous and absurd gerald way back in the early years it took wins to garner the stanley cup soooooo couple of local fish mongers local to the joe louis arena that is started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win after each victory one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the ice they are dead by the way it was brilliant marketing strategy to shore up the demand for one of their least popular products hope this helps lange local to the joe louis arena you mean local to olympia stadium where red wings games were played until fairly recently early comes to mind as far as know the rest of the post is basically correct if what you meant by local was simply detroit and being incredibly picky okay sorry about that david nichols senior statistical support specialist spss inc phone internet com fax any correlation between my views and those of spss is strictly due to chance in article buffalo edu buffalo edu valerie in article gatech edu gatech edu hrivnak here are the results after three days of voting remember for for and for also you can still turn in votes and if the guy isn regular goalie or he is retired please include the team thanks for your time and keep on sending in those votes glenn healy nyi tommy soderstron ray leblanc usa soderstrom plays with philly but he doesn have moulded mask he got the helmet and cage variety in white or at least that what he wore thirteen hours ago yeah but soderstrom mask has always appeared to be lot bigger than the average helmet and cage variety it has certain appeal on its own josh valerie hammerl some days have to remind him he not buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks on claude cc buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for the devils but cc buffalo edu known for taking dumb penalties does anyone recieve annoying email from roger maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group these emails are filled with insults more than are usual in roger posts and have little if any hockey info have recieved two in the last days am just wondering if am special or roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him gregmeister you can be serious and many of my colleagues have not received any bad mails from roger in fact roger happens to have answered most if not all of my hockey questions and curiosities so before you start flaming at me or roger better re consider your nasty attitude towards roger and the like steve lee university of western ontario london canada gaul csd uwo ca heard little while back that gary roberts would be returning to play in calgary last regular season game can anybody confirm this he ll be big help to the flames in the playoffs and may change my playoff pool strategy roberts played in last night game against the sharks and got goal and an assist this definitely bolsters calgary chances in the playoffs rahim hirji rahim hirji life is what happens while you are actuarial science making other plans uwaterloo ca university of waterloo united states tv schedule april devils islanders at pittsburgh est abc april st louis at chicago cdt abc april los angeles at calgary pdt abc okay here the down side of the espn deal no additional coverage with split contract sca could have at least gotten at leftovers like canucks jets caps whoever and red wings leafs or whoever else is playing april devils islanders at pittsburgh espn april tba espn april tba espn does anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where local broadcast rights are being protected for our area islanders devils it likely to be the bruins since the other adams series is montreal quebec prefer the latter myself under the impression that the abc deal overrides the local deals but if st louis at chicago pops up we ll know gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley oh excuse me for wasting the bandwidth but was referring to the original incident not the recent skirmish which occurred this past month tom huot com have been to all isles caps tilts at the crap centre this year all isles wins and there is no justification for vukota and pilon to play for the isles vukota is absolutely the worst puck handler in the world he couldn hit bull in the ass with banjo al must remember few years back when mick scored goals in one period against the caps in isles win was there and was astonished as was the rest of the crowd wake up al years later he gotten worse he cheap shot artist and always ends up getting stupid senseless penalties think he would make good police officier as for pilon he can carry the puck out to center ice by himself he either makes bad pass resulting in turnover or he attempts to bring the puck towards the neutral zone and skates right into an opposing skater he can stay on his skates with most forwards or centers he either falls down or committs penalty call up somebody from capital district al as far as the playoffs the isles are as difficult to figure out as the caps two good teams with talent but so inconsistent they should meet in the first round the isles seem to play up to the level of their competition so they should play well against jersey tonite it ll probably be another tight goal game as the last games hve been for the isles wish when the get lead they could continue to pour it on instead of settling back into defensive shell and letting the opposition get back in the game al must understand he can do with this team what he did with the isles maybe al should got to where is bobby nystrom clark gilles john tonelli these are the kind of young minds we need behing the bench fire al john scialdone gsfc nasa gov when your ship comes in first man takes the sail here is an update on the goalie mask poll first since so many people gave me their best decided to give pts for their favorite pts for for if you mailed response with only one gave it pts please feel free to send me your other favorites if you only sent one before also votes are still welcome any mask you like will do as have received votes for players not in the nhl please mention what team they play for though so here are the up to date results so far my vote goes to andy moog belfour vanbiesbrouck the bruin are hot at just the right time rich beskosty sun com you should be ashamed to call yourself an ulf samuelson fan anybody who plays the way he does does not belong in the nhl there have been cheap shot artists through the history of the game but lot of them have been talanted players bobby clarke kenny linsemen pie mckenzie chris chelios etc but nobody has been out right as dirty cheapshot coward as ulf violence in hockey has got to be curbed and players like should have been women samuelson don belong when players like ulf who main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed to continue and the league won stop it the players should christian pro aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely if the bruins get chance to meet pittsburgh in the near future you can bet neely will have his day the sight of watching ulf turtle up like the coward he is is worth almost as much as stanely cup this wimp of player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers in the game if you are to remove ulf samuelson from the lineup the penguins would not even notice he gone he an eyesore on the game of hockey rich does anyone recieve annoying email from roger maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group these emails are filled with insults more than are usual in roger posts and have little if any hockey info have recieved two in the last days am just wondering if am special or roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him gregmeister you can be serious and many of my colleagues have not received any bad mails from roger in fact roger happens to have answered most if not all of my hockey questions and curiosities so before you start flaming at me or roger better re consider your nasty attitude towards roger and the like steve lee university of western ontario london canada gaul csd uwo ca speaking of roger where is his comments from last nights game you have to admit he can make nothing game sound like it was game of the stanley cup finals roger pushes the leafs so much it even bothers me long time supporter but he does have good overall idea of the game wow just gave compliment guess better stop it with the rye water before give him another so don know what you mean by parity boston never was is not now and never will be as good an organization as the montreal canadiens never was probably is not now debatable what other valid test can you think of besides the final standings or divisional playoff winner what do you propose worthless vote like they do in college football what joke you boston fans make me laugh you re going crazy based on very recent boston domination over montreal in the playoffs mean how many cups has boston won compared to montreal and who do you think is going to win the next cup between the teams montreal or boston you know sinden going to find some way of screwing up even this good boston team he ll fire suter or trade away vital star admittedly his last few trades have been good ones but how long before his luck runs out and he starts making esposito for ratelle type trades again if remember right brad park was also involved in that trade he wasn all that bad hockey player but let look at some of sinden trades over the years for rick middleton rangers don know who sinden gave up for middle ton so ll call this one barry pederson for cam neely canucks any questions greg hawgood for vladimir ruzicka oilers didja see that one rosie roofed against roy in last year playoffs courtnall ranford for andy moog oilers wash moog is good goaltender ranford burned boston in the finals in his first year and courtnall always seems to get his points anyone in vancouver care to comment on courtnall as defensive liability ken linseman for dave poulin flyers any more questions janney quintal for adam oates blues janney is an enormous talent and personable guy the the bruins play in adam division enough said so even if you count the esposito vadnais ratelle park don remember who else joe zanussi trade as double minus harry the horse trader comes out on top submit that the bruins are always good because of harry not in spite of him btw do you really think the habs will bounce back next season ll bet they finish fourth or fifth in the conference behind any of the following pittsburgh quebec boston washington islanders someone correct me if these five teams will not be in montreal conference in summary things look bleak for the habs at least in the near future suspect that the next team from la belle province to win the cup will be that team that lindros didn want to play for admit that ve been suffering lately with the boston gets hot while montreal swans in the playoffs type years but do have the sure knowledge that the montreal braintrust will keep plugging away until they hit the right formula for yet another cup whereas if were boston fan have this kind of despair that as long as harry sinden is running the show the bruins will always be good but never good enough jack dan lyddy berkeley edu university of california at berkeley my two favorite hockey teams the boston bruins whoever playing pittsburgh brad gibson geop ubc ca wrote much text deleted plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available not necessarily the most misleading but you are right it definitely needs to be taken in the proper perspective shining example is if you look at the penguins individual you will find very few minuses that only makes common sense since they didn lose many games until the nhl publishes more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality is the player put out in key situations like protecting lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team top one or two lines short handed etc would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications unfortunately you will need to keep ridiculous number of stats to really come up with statistic which really shows player value let just enjoy the game and not overanalyze it like doing now excuse me tom huot com gerald olchowy chem utoronto ca wrote it is meaningless to compare one player plus minus statistic with another players out of the context of the role and the playing time of the players involved to compare jagr and francis plus minus is ridiculous and absurd gerald thank you for putting this in perspective tom huot com can believe that the ny rangers would force its players to go to binghamtom to play in the ahl playoffs instead of letting them represent their countries in the world championships anderrson and zubov are waiting for the nhl to make decision to this while kovalev has given in and gone down to the minors the rangers are disgrace ps it has been reported that neil smith was very much against the hiring of mike keenan how long will smith be in ny for the godfather here one from the mill the oilers might move to hamilton where porklington can get free deal given what labour relations and puck has been like it would be sigh of relief this way can can both elements well dave would have to disagree with you there satan himself could own the team and be happy as long as the oilers stayed in edmonton selfish but true don want to see the oilers move no matter who their owner is bart uucp or ab ca too am of the same sentiment bart but realistically this town doesn want to pay for quality player and hence we are loosing these people left right and center labour is also responsible for their boycott pocklington movement would like the oilers to stay but realistically given this situation it bye bye oilers dave shariff yadallee sc econ math of alberta cs ualberta ca god save the queen god bless us all remember jesus saves lives from eternal damnation newfoundland keep good old clyde vote liberal that more or less says it flicked the penguins game on briefly and saw ulf cross check valeri in the face am wondering if don cherry is going to go off on this at all in coach corner nah cherry will only spew if ulf was nailing good canadian boy what an idiot if this is the heart and soul of canadian patriotism then someone needs new hobby dr the devils advocate drinkin women guns don mix cc buffalo edu buffalo edu mark arm nhl playoff results for games played april conference semi finals best of seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf leads stl leads win pit leads bos chi van leads nyi leads mon tor la was que leads det leads cal tied detroit red wings lead series toronto maple leafs dave andreychuk scored his first two playoff goals for toronto and felix potvin stopped of red wing shots as the maple leafs won their first win in the series first period toronto andreychuk foligno gilmour toronto andreychuk gilmour second period detroit fedorov coffey sheppard pp third period toronto clark gilmour mironov pp toronto pearson clark cullen detroit chiasson konstantinov fedorov shots on goal detroit toronto power play opportunities detroit of toronto of goalies detroit cheveldae shots saves toronto potvin referee mark faucette linesmen kevin collins brian murphy chicago blackhawks st louis blues lead series curtis joseph blanked the blackhawks for the second straight game and brett hull scored goal and added an assist to lead the blues to series lead chicago hasn scored in of play since brian noonan hat trick goal in game first period st louis janney hull brown pp second period st louis hull miller third period st louis emerson felsner shanahan shots on goal chicago st louis power play opportunities chicago of st louis of goalies chicago belfour shots saves st louis joseph referee dan marouelli linesmen randy mitton shane heyer vancouver canucks lead series winnipeg jets teemu selanne broke out of his mini slump with hat trick including the game winner to lead the jets to victory trevor linden and pavel bure each scored twice for the losing canucks first period winnipeg tkachuk housley winnipeg selanne housley shannon pp vancouver bure winnipeg selanne shannon housley pp second period vancouver linden ronning lumme vancouver linden adams slegr pp third period winnipeg borsato steen sh winnipeg selanne shannon vancouver bure babych lidster shots on goal vancouver winnipeg power play opportunities vancouver of winnipeg of goalies vancouver mclean shots saves winnipeg essensa referee kerry fraser linesmen gord broseker dan schachte calgary flames lead series los angeles kings boxscore tomorrow saturday april washington at ny islanders ny islanders lead series est boston at buffalo buffalo leads series est quebec at montreal quebec leads series est sunday april pittsburgh at new jersey pittsburgh leads series est chicago at st louis st louis leads series est calgary at los angeles calgary leads series est detroit at toronto detroit leads series est vancouver at winnipeg vancouver leads series est jpc john curcio go bruins philips laboratories philips com scarborough road briarcliff manor ny in article wustl edu wustl edu joseph charles achkar says it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs classy move by espn it was classy move but it looks like espn is going to devote most of the coverage to the pens on tuesday night they continued to broadcast the pen devil game even though pittsburgh had the game well in control granted they did show some bonus coverage of the caps and isles but they cut away from the close game which went into double ot to update us on the fifth goal of the rout thursday was good game even if it was the second straight game between the pens and devils imho they should program some variety into the telecasts yes know the game shown on saturday is between the and sabres probably throwing bone to us bruin fans and what about the cambell conference like to see game in the norris or smythe why not have back to back nights of national hockey night just thought ryan player team gp pts pim lemieux pit francis pit oates bos yzerman det coffey det hunter was mogilny buf thomas nyi lapointe que johansson was carson la brown stl fleury cal courtnall van flatley nyi macinnis cal ferraro nyi mceachern pit neely bos turgeon nyi bellows mon jagr pit khmylev buf khristich was hawerchuk buf hogue nyi juneau bos stevens pit murphy pit lafontaine buf ramsey pit smehlik buf noonan chi gilmour tor hull stl otto cal reichel cal bure van drake det linden van nieuwendyk cal roberts cal young que sweeney buf stevens nj tocchet pit carpenter was mullen pit ronning van suter cal yawney cal adams van chiasson det craven van cullen tor dahlquist cal king win racine det rychel la shanahan stl sheppard det sydor la barnes win emerson stl gill tor granato la gretzky la housley win janney stl king nyi kozlov det sandstrom la shuchuk la vaske nyi damphousse mon elynuik was guerin nj hannan buf holik nj muller mon sakic que semak nj sundin que taglianetti pit tipett pit barasso pit bondra was carney buf cavallini was desjardins mon duchesne que niedermayer nj ricci que ridley was samuelsson pit blake la borschevsky tor zelepukin nj mullen nyi burr det domi win fedorov det felsner stl howe det huddy la kurri la lefebvre tor lidstrom det lowry stl mcsorley la millen la mironov tor numminen win paslawski cal steen win ysebaert det anderson tor berube cal chelios chi ciccarelli det clark tor dahl cal dipietro mon donnelly la ellett tor gallant det brown chi kennedy det larmer chi matteau chi mclean van mcrae stl murzyn van musil cal pearson tor primeau det probert det ranheim cal robitaille la roenick chi selanne win shannon win skrudland cal sutter chi taylor la zhitnik la barr nj bourque bos burridge was dionne mon heinze bos leschyshyn que presley buf rucinsky que smolinski bos wood buf brunet mon daniels pit donato bos driver nj gusarov que houlder buf samuelsson pit kamensky que krygier was loney pit may was miller was odelein mon pivonka was shaw bos straka pit belanger mon chorske nj druce win eagles win errey buf ewen mon foligno tor goulet chi grimson chi hughes bos kovalenko que leeman mon mcllwain tor osbourne tor richer nj roberge mon schneider mon watters la weimer bos andreychuk tor ashton cal babych van baron stl bassen stl baumgartner tor bautin win belfour chi berg tor billington nj blue bos borsato win bozon stl butcher stl cheveldae det conacher la corkum buf diduck van dirk van erickson win essensa win gilbert chi graham chi hardy la hedican stl hrudey la lemieux chi johansson cal joseph stl kasatonov nj kennedy win konstantinov det krushelnyski tor lidster van lumme van macoun tor marchment chi miller stl momesso van moog bos muni chi murphy chi murray chi nedved van olausson win pearson que potvin tor quintal stl ramage mon ri sutter stl rouse tor russell chi ruuttu chi richer bos smith chi sandlak van semenov van stern cal hunter van sweeney bos terreri nj tkachuk win ulanov win valk van vernon cal wilson stl zezel tor zhamnov win zombo stl albelin nj anderson was audette buf bodger buf brisebois mon lemieux nj carbonneau mon cavallini que cote was sweeney bos daigneault mon dalgarno nyi daneyko nj douris bos fetisov nj finn que fitzgerald nyi foote que fuhr buf roberts bos haller mon hatcher was healy nyi hextall que hough que iafrate was jennings pit jones was kasparaitis nyi keane mon kimble bos krupp nyi kvartalnov bos leclair mon leach bos lebeau mon ledyard buf loiselle nyi maclean nj malakov nyi may buf mckay nj nicholls nj nolan que norton nyi patterson buf pilon nyi poulin bos roy mon savard mon simon que stapleton pit stastny nj sutton buf green nyi tabaracci was vukota nyi wesley bos wolanin que maurice richard blues shutout hawks again lead series it was great atmosphere last night at the st louis arena as joseph and the blues shutout the hawks for the second consecutive game people were cheering the blues long before face off time and they kept going for the entire game my friends and went out celebrating until the early morning hours with some of the players here game summary from the st louis post disptach enjoy by dave luecking of the post dispatch staff at friday night the arena crowd of paid homage to blues goalie curtis joseph the fans began bowing their arms extended taking the the lead from fan who held sign that read only god saves more than joseph it was fitting tribute to joseph who has brought the blues to the verge of surprising sweep joseph recorded his second successive shutout friday blanking the blackhawks in game of the norris division semifinals and giving the blues lead in the best of seven series the blackhawks haven scored against joseph since the mark of the second period of game joseph has shut out the blackhawks for minutes seconds blues record jacques plante held the previous record of set in the first round of the playoffs against the philadelphia flyers one of only two series the blues have sweeped in their history the blues can wrap up their first sweep since with victory in game nationally televised game that begins at noon sunday the blues have had only two sweeps in franchise history both in when they swept philadelphia and los angeles en route to the stanley cup finals the shutout friday was easier than on wednesday in game when joseph had to make saves this time the blues held the shots down to and the blackhawks couldn touch joseph well they touched joseph numerous times shoving him and pushing him at every opportunity to try to get him off his game but joseph and the blues were unfazed dishing out their own punishment along the way the blues grinders bob bassen rich sutter kevin miller and dave lowry wore down the blackhawks taking the visitors from chicago off their game the grinders set the stage for the glamour boys the gifted playmakers and scorers who made the most of their opportunities craig janney brett hull and nelson emerson scored getting one goal in each period hull assisted on janney first period power play goal after two unwise chicago penalties checker miller set up hull goal in the second period and rookie denny felsner assisted for emerson who scored at of the final period blues fans jumped to their feet in celebration of that goal and began yelling sweep sweep sweep they also taunted chicago goalie ed belfour bell four bell four they also chanted na na na na hey hey good bye such talk is tad premature there still one game left but the blues are on roll they have the blackhawks on their heels the blues set the tone early on friday with two crunching hits in the first minute of play rich sutter leveled bryan marchment and brendan shanahan dumped steve smith at center ice chicago tried to retaliate but troy murray decision to run into joseph backfired referee dan marouelli gave him roughing penalty the blues didn get shot on goal on the power play and they survived scare after chicago killed the penalty when rick zombo gave the puck away to steve larmer joseph stopped larmer shot and everything else chicago threw at him in the first period the hawks ignored the scouting report on joseph about shooting high and continued to shoot low where joseph butterfly style is deadly rookie bret hedican picked up three consecutive penalties midway through the period two for hooking and one for holding but chicago got only two shots on goal as many as miller the blues penalty killer twice stole the puck and just missed on good scoring chances against belfour marouelli began calling penalties on the blackhawks to even things up he caught brent sutter hooking shanahan four seconds after hedican third penalty he called marchment for elbowing janney along the boards at and gave the blues two man advantage later when christian ruuttu slashed shanahan the blues worked around the puck on the ensuing power play and hull got it where he likes it in the high slot hull shot hit belfour right shoulder and the puck bounced precariously close to the goal line belfour dived back to cover but the puck squirted loose to janney who poked it into the net at for his first goal of the playoffs the blues continued their relentless hitting as the period ended and the blackhawks lost their composure joe murphy tripped ron wilson with two seconds remaining in the period and after time had expired smith upset the blues by shooting the puck into the blues bench chris chelios made move toward joseph as the teams left the ice and marouelli slapped him with minute misconduct chicago survived the blues power play but the loss of chelios hurt he didn return until the midway point of the period and within three minutes of his return hull had increased the blues lead to deflecting in miller crisp pass try as they might the blackhawks couldn get to joseph who stopped everything they could throw at him he stopped shots in the second period and more in the third chicago also hit the goalpost twice emerson goal put the game away he went hard to the net and redirected felsner pass joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues the usa today says late this year the question is will hockey be moved to permenantly or will it be where they have game of the week on espn and have bunch of other games on yes and no will be launched as early in september cap cities are currently working with cable companies to ensure good start up base needed for launch for any brand new cable service the problem faces is the tci cablevision connection in the merger of their prime and sportschannel networks prime sportschannel will try to wrestle away nhl from espn in the off season also tci and cablevision have control large number of cable systems around the country with total of million subscribers tci cablevision will do their best that never gets off the ground successfully and the nhl value will suddenly skyrocket in this cable war between prime sc and espn nhl is more vital to the survival of regionalized prime sportschannel since they virtually have no national major league sports contracts and only cover local nhl nba mlb sports teams ppv mark the flyers blew lead over the buffalo sabres in the second period but kevin dineen career hat trick powered them to their consecutive win over the sabres who have now lost in row alexander mogilny led the comeback scoring his and goals of the season which tied the game at in the period and in the tommy soderstrom stopped of shots on goal to improve his own record to as he was tested by mogilny and lafontaine all night roster move andre faust was once again recalled from hershey shawn cronin was healthy scratch lines eklund lindros recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroy faust acton brown galley bowen yushkevich hawgood carkner mcgill tommy soderstrom game summary say if anybody from buffalo is reading this where did you people get that woman who sang the anthems we had to turn down the volume the flyers defense started out the game showing everybody why the flyers have been shutting teams out lately by holding the sabres to only shots in the first period they then showed everybody why they will be playing golf sunday when they gave up shots in the last two periods maybe tommy told them that he was getting bored back there mark recchi opened the scoring so fast that if you blinked you missed it after buffalo won the faceoff and dumped tommy wrapped the puck around the boards to eric way up on his left eric dropped it to galley and he sent it ahead to recchi steaming out of the zone mark skated into the center circle passed the puck to himself through the legs of richard smehlik skated around him and in on fuhr smehlik was pulling at him all the way through the zone with his stick recchi drifted right drifted back left and slid the puck back to the right past fuhr for flyers lead at it was so beautiful eric and garry should turn down their assists the flyers kept the pressure on fuhr for while after that but he was strong and kept the flyers from doing further damage the game then became defensive struggle for while the sabres got the first chance on the power play when terry carkner took boarding minor at for crunching dale hawerchuk into the boards in the flyers zone lafontaine got the only scoring chance and not terribly good one as the flyers smothered the sabres power play mogilny got post after it was over the consecutive penalty kill for the flyers keith carney took holding penalty at for taking down mark recchi to give the flyers power play the best penalty killing team in the league didn allow the flyers shot on goal although the flyers did create good scoring chance for lindros who partially fanned on his shot towards the end of the period the play started going end to end but everybody kept missing the net greg hawgood took an interference penalty at to give the sabres another power play but they couldn get anything going and the fans expressed their displeasure particularly when they iced the puck shots were buffalo after the flyers had led at one point mike emrick interviewed flyers president jay snider between periods jay was disappointed to not make the playoffs but not discouraged this was considered rebuilding year after the trade and he seemed very happy with the way the season went when asked if he agonized over the trade he said that it was russ farwell trade and not his that it only was an issue for him and ed snider as far as the money but yes there was some agonizing and they do it all over again when asked how the coaching situation would be handled for next year he said that it russ call and russ will evaluate things at the end of the season he feels that they re years away from shot at the cup he expects to get into the playoffs next year have shot at division title the following year and shot at the finals the year after that this based on the current level of play and anticipated improvements over the summer he very happy with the re alignment he called it outstanding happy with the current expansion feels that the talent pool is big enough with the unflux of europeans but feels that they must make sure existing franchises are stable seemed to like the idea of playing in the olympics booo but said that there was definite split among owners and that this certainly would only happen in four years if there was consensus the sabres gave the flyers their second power play of the game when brad may took tripping penalty at of the second the flyers had little trouble getting started but eventually did hawgood took pass as he was moving throug the neutral zone and handed the puck to eklund just outside the sabres blue line along the right boards eklund carried into the zone nad passed across to dineen who tried one timer from between the blue line and the top of the left circle he half fanned on it and sent the puck trickling through the slot fuhr didn know where it was though and hawgood won the race to it and flipped it into essentially an open net at then mogilny on breakaway he slipped through two flyers at the blue line and went in on soderstrom he went with the backhander but soderstrom was all over it the flyers then took some bad discipline type penalties that really hurt them viacheslav butsayev took double minor for roughing and high sticking when barnaby got under his skin and drew one minor then according to gary dornhoefer took dive to get the other there was no video at the sabres coudln get started ryan mcgill poked at the puck just after sabre carried into the flyers zone and after bunch of people poked at it dineen emerged with it and headed the other way it started out on but brind amour hustled ahead to make it on and back off the defenseman dineen let it rip from the top of the right circle to make it flyers at that was all for fuhr john muckler sent in dominik hasek to take over but the sabres still had lots of power play time again they took some time to just get into the flyers zone and when they finally did the flyers were all over them boos began to ring through the building but they finally got through soderstrom on an ugly goal smehlik took shot from the top of the zone that missed and kicked out to hawerchuk in the slot hawerchuk tried backhander as he skated towards the goal line to the right as galley dove down to block it mistake he should have let soderstrom handle the backhander and worried about the rebound or barnaby who was camped behind the goal line right next to the net well the rebound dropped right next to soderstrom and mistake galley just laid there and watched barnaby get three hacks at the puck before he finally pushed it through the goalie he didn even swing his stick out to try and knock the puck away with the goal at two streaks end for the flyers of shutout hockey and straight penalty kills lindros put them right back on the power play at with high sticking minor think it was barnaby again this time the sabres were able to get set up quickly but couldn get too much quality on goal the sabres continued to keep the puck in the flyers end for while after the power play ended things evetually settled down but then the other very bad penalty mcgill allowed barnaby to get under his skin and slashed his stick just before faceoff the gloves were dropped and mcgill started pounding the crap out of him but during the fight he gave barnaby head butt with his helmet and that meant match penalty for slashing fighting and for the major minutes of power play time for the sabres at barnaby only got the flyers were keeping them at bay for while but there was only so long they could do that after couple of good sabre chances audette handed to ledyard at the point and ledyard sent drive that was knocked down by soderstrom lafontaine whacked at the bouncing puck from the left side of the net and knocked it over to randy wood at the right soderstrom had moved over to play lafontaine and since yushkevich and carkner were waving at the puck instead of picking up men wood just slid it into the empty net at to close the flyers lead to lafontaine was actually trying to put it on net but half fanned on it and got break the flyers then got some shorthanded pressure in the sabres zone but hasek was strong finally it was keith carney passing ahead to hawerchuk into the neutral zone and hawerchuk sent good backhand pass to mogilny at the flyers blue line another mini breakaway for mogilny he elected to shoot from the left circle and he threaded the needle to get it just inside the far post at for his of the season ironically the youth hockey tip between the and second period was tommy soderstrom talking about cutting off angles that was all in the shots were sabres into the period and pelle eklund blew golden opportunity to get the flyers the lead back on acton with the puck he dropped to eklund in the slot and eklund held the puck as he slid through the left circle until he had almost no angle at all to shoot from when he finally did shoot he hit the far post that was still during the carryover power play time than an incredible almost goal randy wood skated around recchi and hawgood untouched into soderstrom soderstrom goes down wood pokes the puck under soderstrom and black object hits the back of the net red light comes on horn sounds crowd cheers but up to the video replay booth for some strange reason and in the meantime emrick and dornhoefer try to figure out what they could be reviewing well it turns out that it was the taped up stick blade that went into the net not the puck emrick mentions that one of the criteria for scoring goal is that the puck must go into the net dave hannan then took out recchi and got holding minor at the flyers could not get anything going at all they finally got set up way through but were kept on the perimeter as time ran out beranek stripped the puck from sabre in the offensive zone along the right boards and passed it across to eklund at the top of the left circle eklund saw dineen heading at the net just inside the right circle and passed through to him dineen fumbled the pass but twice directed it at hasek and eklund swooped in and chipped the bouncing puck over the goalie for his at flyers but the sabres came right back lafontaine picked up the puck in his offensive left corner and slid it to bob erry behind the flyers net erry started to skate out but then just dropped the puck back to nobody behind the net mogilny flew in skated around and stuffed it through soderstrom hole for his at to tie the game at then hawerchuk took retaliatory roughing penalty at the flyers set up in the sabres zone and stayed there off faceoff high in the sabres zone in the middle while brind amour wrestled for the puck dineen snuck through the line and wristed perfect shot low to hasek glove side at play started to go back and forth until hawgood took roughing penalty at the flyers dumped the puck into the sabres zone brind amour and ledyard went after it and rod got the puck he backed away from the right boards skated to the right faceoff dot and passed between his legs to dineen crashing through the slot all by himself dineen waited patiently and lifted it over the blocker of hasek for flyers lead at hat trick of the season for dineen of his career shorthanded goal of the game for him of the season then carney took tripping penalty at to kill the rest of the sabres power play not much action on the on and the sabres got most of the chances on the flyers resulting power play play went end to end for quite while after that and both goalies had to make some big saves the sabres weren able to pull hasek as time was running out as the flyers wouldn allow any consistant possession for the sabres finally as time was running out ken sutton misplayed the puck in his own left corner and brind amour stripped it away from him he pulled away and found dineen on the other side of the left circle and dineen found acton at the right of hasek he slid the puck between two sabres defenders and acton chipped it back to the far side of hasek for his of the season at on his birthday that was all the scoring shots were buffalo and the ice was showered with plastic drinking mugs handed out before the game so another strong game from tommy soderstrom who hadn been tested much in his last couple of starts kevin dineen has career high point night unless he had better night earlier in the season but don think so the flyers longest winning streak in years goals for only against with three shutouts eric lindros is in league with even strength goals despite missing games with injury points out of clinched place since the rangers lose the tie breaker couple misc notes forget the mike keenan rumors there will be press conference tommorrow to announce that he will be head coach of the new york rangers next year in the last notes mentioned that garry galley won the barry ashbee award but failed to mention that the award is for the best defenseman the times of trenton has reported that preeminent specialist from oklahoma has looked over tommy soderstrom medical record and determined that no further tests are necessary in the near future same paper had blurb about bill dineen being asked about whether or not he expected to be back next year his response was that he wants to come back he feels he did good job this year but that he would cheerfully accept role scouting if farwell didn want him back flyers team record watch eric lindros goals assists points rookie records club record goals club record points eric lindros dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart eric lindros dave poulin ron flockhart bill barber pelle eklund mark recchi goals assists points club record goals club record points reggie leach mark recchi tim kerr bobby clarke tim kerr bobby clarke mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobby clarke bill barber rick macliesh reggie leach more than games flyers career years player points best prior season mark recchi penguins rod brind amour flyers garry galley kings brent fedyk red wings that all for now pete clark jr rsh flyers contact and mailing list owner richard wernick com wrote you should be ashamed to call yourself an ulf samuelson fan anybody who plays the way he does does not belong in the nhl there have been cheap shot artists through the history of the game but lot of them have been talanted players bobby clarke kenny linsemen pie mckenzie chris chelios etc but nobody has been out right as dirty cheapshot coward as ulf violence in hockey has got to be curbed and players like should have been women samuelson don belong when players like ulf who main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed to continue and the league won stop it the players should christian pro aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely if the bruins get chance to meet pittsburgh in the near future you can bet neely will have his day the sight of watching ulf turtle up like the coward he is is worth almost as much as stanely cup this wimp of player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers in the game if you are to remove ulf samuelson from the lineup the penguins would not even notice he gone he an eyesore on the game of hockey rich thank you for your extremely lucid and well thought out observation now when you get back on your medication please let us know how you are feeling thank you tom huot com stephen lawrence business uwo ca wrote goodbye minnesota you never earned the right to have an nhl franchise in the first place hope you enjoy your twin city wide mania for high school hockey hey by the way my old pee wee team is having reunion in regina care to come up and film the event yee haa golden gophers whatta weird town business uwo ca stephen lawrence western business school london ontario this is the second posting of this kind from an idiot at business school in canada what is your problem up there anyway is this what they teach you in business school in canada tom huot com here are the results after three days of voting remember for for and for also you can still turn in votes and if the guy isn regular goalie or he is retired please include the team thanks for your time and keep on sending in those votes player team pts votes brian hayward san jose andy moog boston curtis joseph st louis ed belfour chicago gerry cheevers boston retired manon rheaume atlanta ihl ron hextall quebec don beaupre washington others receiving vote artus irbe sj tim cheveldae det clint malarchuck buf sd ihl grant fuhr buf rick wamsley tor ret jon casey minn john vanbiesbrouck nyr ken dryden mon ret bob essensa win mike vernon cal glenn healy nyi tommy soderstron ray leblanc usa mon tommy soderstrom is having fine rookie think he rookie season with the flyers sure most of you knew that already but just in case john drake edu longtime but realistic ranger fan who willing to admit that the rangers sucked big time this year they don even deserve the luxury of nice golf course with warm breeze god talk about underachievers mike keenan we re waiting for you go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu peter ahola season acquired trade with pittsburgh for future considerations grade it is way too early to tell about ahola who was acquired probably because the penguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft ahola had only played games this season think it actually less the san jose mercury news may be in err here of them with the sharks in the games he has played he appeared quite solid defensively although he hasn been spectacular and his offense isn anything to write home about points it even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn out to be peter ahola doug wilson season acquired trade with chicago for rw kerry toporowski and round pick in entry draft grade have often been accused of overly down on wilson may have had too high expectations for him but his legs knees et al are giving out nevertheless when he was playing he exhibited strong shooting and playmaking abilities even if he has lost step on defense which unfortunately he demonstrated this year as well as at times he was slow to catch the opponent forwards and his offensive output was only good enough for place on the team points in games but next year which may be wilson last if he can stay healthy he can still be contributor dean kolstad season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade it probably somewhat unfair for me to judge kolstad on just handful of games forgetting exact number but no more than but at age he quickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the nhl in those games he did not impress anyone after generating shots in the first period of the first game he played he scored just points in his tenure up here with the sharks and was even less impressive defensively as he appeared awkward with his movement and was prone to giveaways he needs to make leap in his level of performance to have any chance of making the team pat macleod season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade macleod was on the roster lot longer than kolstad but it appears to my memory that he played less than kolstad because the sharks were reluctant to use him but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors figuring that he wouldn clear waivers in fact he has played the past weeks with kansas city but is still technically there on rehabilitation assignment rehab assignment that will include him playing in the turner cup playoffs since he has played so little can even give tentative grade on him but he demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive skills tom pederson season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade called up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated by injuries pederson impressed many sharks fan here on net including yours truly he demonstrated very good offensive skills scoring points in games however his size lbs is of concern and soon after he began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically on both sides of the ice although he had appeared fearless in his approach but to be successful he probably needs to bulk up to have fighting chance on surviving against some of the bigger players in the league claudio scremin season acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade he played all of games in the league this year but was thoroughly umimpressive just as he was at the end of last season again it may be small sample but just as in the case of kolstad scremin at age is quickly running out of time he was not contributor on either offense or defense in the games he played with the sharks the only notable thing that will go down in scremin entry of league stats is probably the fact that he was once traded for now capitals goaltender don beaupre go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks hi there can seem to get mail to you can you tell me your entire adress or even your dotted decimal address ie thanks cs unb ca maurice richard and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated brad mccrimmon was the captain of the flames when he was traded to detroit following the season this was during the off season though there countless examples of captains being traded sure yeah think that the flames and the flyers traded captains once mel bridgeman for brad marsh craig the problem faces is the tci cablevision connection in the merger of their prime and sportschannel networks prime sportschannel will try to wrestle away nhl from espn in the off season also tci and cablevision have control large number of cable systems around the country with total of million subscribers tci cablevision will do their best that never gets off the ground successfully and the nhl value will suddenly skyrocket in this cable war between prime sc and espn nhl is more vital to the survival of regionalized prime sportschannel since they virtually have no national major league sports contracts and only cover local nhl nba mlb sports teams note that this ominous prospect is fueled by the fact that various sc and prime outlets are wholly or partly owned by local nhl owners when if cablevision vp chuck dolan purchase of the islanders goes through the islanders will be back solidly in the scny fold their original owners were and they ve remained due to lucrative tv contract the flyer snyders own the philadelphia sc as well as the prism pay channel there are six teams affiliated with regional sc another half dozen affiliated with prime outlets and other locals like hts and nesn who have barter arrangements with all this cross ownership was surprised that espn got the deal this season gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley tonight will see the toronto maple leafs as some have guessed come out hitting the buds will grind detroit into the ground and walk away with home ice advantage for the remainder of the series which given shift to toronto will not last long keep in mind this is only predicition wendall will have to get into the game however otherwise probert will dominate on the physical front nhl playoff results for games played april conference semi finals best of seven patrick adams norris smythe nyi leads mon tor la was que leads det leads cal tied people so it not tied meant leads shoot me if you must jpc john curcio go bruins philips laboratories philips com scarborough road briarcliff manor ny someone asked about the rosters for the college hockey senior all star shrine game held in orono maine earlier this month west derek plante minn duluth west mvp of the game greg johnson dakota bryan smolinski mich st fred knipscheer st cloud state chris campbell wisconsin superior glenn lang uw superior chris bergeron miami joe cook miami jamie erb bemidiji brett harkins bowling green david roberts michigan todd trettier uw stevens point john young mich tech brett hauer minn duluth pat neaton michigan barry richter wisconsin mike smith lssu chris valicevic st mary shaun gravistin ak anchorage goalie tom newman minnesota bryan schoen denver ron mason mich st coach steve nelson uw superior jim knapp minn duluth east jack duffy yale chris foy eastern scott meehan mass lowell aaron miller vermont kevin sullivan bu chris potter connecticut ray alcindor middlebury greg carvel st lawrence bob cowan providence steve dubinksy clarkson dan gravelle merrimack ryan hughes cornell mark kauffman yale matt mallgrave harvard chris mcgee babson scott mcnair rit jim montgomery maine david sacco bu chris rogles clarkson goalie east mvp of the game garth snow maine grant wood hamilton brian durocher brown coach shawn walsh maine bruce marshalll connecticut these are the original rosters there may have been few changes for the actual game guys not being able to participate or whatever bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu ahl playoff scores first round home team in caps games played on thurs rochester utica ot games played on fri binghamton baltimore moncton st john ot springfield providence series stati plural of status adirondack defeated cdi springfield leads providence binghamton leads baltimore rochester leads utica st john leads moncton cape breton leads fredericton bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu heard story on the local sports news broadcast in edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington will be holding press conference next week while the exact details are not known it is believed to concern the oiler future rumour has it that pocklington signed tentative lease arrangement with copps collesium in hamilton during the press conference pocklington may announce the deal it is quite possible that the deal may simply be way to force edmonton northlands to renegotiate the oiler lease on the stadium northlands has offered to buy the oilers for million earlier but the offer was rejected immediately by pocklington as for me my opinion is divided edmonton has been fairly supportive of the oilers even though they re small market team they had many sellouts in the even with the problems that the team had this year they still brought in more fans than many teams in larger cities did on the other hand if the team does move there is no place more deserving than hamilton of course how would that affect the grand realignment scheme of bettman following up on this the provincial government has been asked by the opposition to block any deal that pocklington is offering to hamilton the government said that pock is going nowhere why don believe the government wasn it pocklington who wanted to be tory leader years ago dave shariff yadallee sc econ math of alberta edmonton ab ca god save the queen god bless us all remember jesus saves lives from eternal damnation newfoundland keep good old clyde vote liberal full calder cup playoff schedule and results home team in caps if necesary first round springfield indians vs providence bruins gm springfield providence gm springfield providence gm providence springfield gm providence springfield gm springfield providence gm providence at springfield gm springfield at providence cd islanders vs adirondack red wings gm adirondack cdi gm adirondack cdi gm adirondack cdi gm adirondack cdi adirondack wins series baltimore skipjacks at binghamton rangers gm baltimore binghamton gm binghamton baltimore gm binghamton baltimore gm binghamton at baltimore gm baltimore at binghamton gm binghmaton at baltimore gm baltimore at binghamton utica devils vs rochester americans gm utica rochester ot gm rochester utica gm rochester utica gm rochester utica ot gm utica at rochester gm rochester at utica gm utica at rochester moncton hawks vs st john maple leafs gm st john moncton at halifax gm st john moncton at halifax gm st john moncton gm moncton st john ot gm moncton vs st john at halifax gm st john at moncton gm moncton vs st john at halifax cape breton oilers vs fredericton canadiens gm fredericton cape breton gm cape breton fredericton gm cape breton fredericton gm cape breton fredericton ot gm cape breton at fredericton gm fredericton at cape breton gm cape breton at fredericton note about this series the ap reports that cb has won this series but in the original schedule game wasn supposed to be until tonight and only have the oilers as being up bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu prefer to watch hockey than seeing shots of felix potvin slashing and spearing dino ciccerelli standing in front of the net he has every right to stand in front of the net just not in the crease yes he does but the goalie sure as hell doesn want him there when played roller hockey boy do miss those days as goalie would scream at my defense to clear guys out of the slot don care if he in the crease or not get him the hell away from me so can see the ball yes roller hockey remember and if there was nobody around to clear the slot then do it myself by pushing the offending player hard hate people in my way when the goalie and am sure felix does too should say that didn see the incident so if potvin really swung the stick big time then that not right but he can move people out of the way he player on the ice too you know keith keller let go rangers sas upenn edu ivy league champs in this corner let go quakers weighing in at almost every weight imaginable life and all that surrounds it blues traveler have to agree wholeheartedly with this view don like to see stickwork but you have to clear players away from in front my personal favorite move goalie too is to give the offeding player good whack on the back of their skates when the ref isn looking makes em go down like ton of bricks but doesn cause injuries unless they don know how to fall talking about hitting the blades here not the foot it also makes the player you hit and anyone who sees really mad and apt to take stupid retaliation penalty unfortunately it also leaves your blocker out of position for short time don do this if shot is likely on the short side hmm maybe should mail potvin this method in french and with helpful diagrams of course it sure would be nice to see ciccerelli who have great deal of respect for btw he not big guy but he plays huge fall on his back few times barfly they re real and they re spectacular the blues shutout the blackhawks in consecutive playoff games if the blues sweep the hawks on sunday will launch broom onto the ice in the last seconds of the game not that there anything wrong with that curtis joseph has been the master of his own domain and the hawks have been shooting the puck like bunch of chuckers not even superman could play any better in goal joseph must have been eating his cereal it like sauna in here said spectator about the hot atmosphere and the wild crowd at the arena it was very refreshing to see the blues double dip the hawks the hawks goons tried to pick on hull janney and joseph but the blues checking line nipped those hawks real well the fat yoyoma will sing on sunday and the hawks will head to the beach the hawks trip back to chicago will feel like long journey from milan to minsk enjoy sunday game with some junior mints and wash them down with snapple just little fun joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues roger neilson is not property among other rumours he now the candidate to coach the flyers and will bring along colin campbell as his assistant this would be dumb move of the nineties lindros is big and strong but why give him ball and chain on one leg and an anchor on the other to drag along compuware is actively scouting phoenix for new team in hey nick and jimmy buy the devils and fix them here please gld not if pocklington gets there first actually if pocklington doesn get better deal he would probably go to hamilton taking the team out of canada would get the whole country mad at him taking the team to hamilton wouldn get anybody mad at him that isn mad at him already and would make him lot of friends in southern ontario so many that the whining of the stupid politicians in edmonton and the fickle spoiled fans wouldn be noticed at all edmonton would wallow in anonymnity gerald don got his nickname grapes but not sure don use to coach the boston bruins don know exactly when that was could someone fill me in on this info think that the name grapes came because as coach for the bruins or in the minors he used to chew on grapes to keep from getting dehydrated during the games his dog blue may have been named cause he liked labatts beer anyone know about that according to quotations from chairman cherry don was playing in springfield he and another player had to pay some fines the other player had his paid off but not don didn want to don called the other player teacher pet and the other player replied ah that just sour grapes don know how accurate that is but that what printed the keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated in playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket holders plus paramount chief stan jaffe chip against the flyers over affaire lindros last autumn add to this that neilsen might return as an assistant coach gerald what say earlier today and roger conferred with jaffe on the hiring this hiring by jaffe went over the head of msg inc par subsidiary head bob gutkowski and over the head and the protests of pres gm neil smith msg is making the announcement on saturday to get back at the islanders for making the playoffs steal the press flyers owner ed snyder is livid and beside himself over this keenan will make up to yr gary bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at gil stein admission into the hall of fame new crease colours rather than blue the oilers will charge to eat in the press room next year gld je me souviens gary dare edu go winnipeg jets go bitnet selanne domi stanley well will have to change the scoring on my playoff pool unfortunately don have time right now but will certainly post the new scoring rules by tomorrow does it matter no you ll enter anyway good keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you it about time the boys got it together they were outworked and outplayed by the wings in the first two games but burns must have kicked their behinds cause they sure came out in full gear or is that high gear in game except for minute stretch in the period they outskated and outworked the wings please don flame this statement cos you know it true have to admit that goaltending was the key potvin kept the leafs ahead during the sleepy stretch the leafs went through in the he also kept the rebounds to minimum something that cost cheveldae goals clark even looked like he had stopped moping first star although still don know why he was so flat in games and if the leafs play the same style and can keep the pace they had in game they may actually have chance of winning this series slim chance but chance no rm where is he anyways haha barfly apparently the public workers strike in st john newfoundland is over the strike has since mid january forced the st john maple leafs hockey team to play their home games in other cities such as toronto cornwall and charlottetown they have been playing their playoff home games in halifax nova scotia leafs management said that they could return to st john for the second round bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu have you ever noticed that after hockey player has been interviewed in between periods on tv game that they usually get goal or an assist can you explain this or is it that they usually talk to stars more than regular players which explains the hight percentage of results after just wondering how everybody else thinks about this or if they dont care about this trivial nonsense ttyl tom tom moffat victoria canada buffalo fans some people in the discussion group as well as commentator al on espn believe that game is critical for the sabres helloooo the sabres are ahead games to not behind as life long sabres fan am well aware of their ability to choke but let not exaggerate that as long as the sabres win one of the next games be it game or game they are still in good shape ahead games to with game to be played at buffalo if they lose games three and four then start worrying game is critical for boston not buffalo rob andolina umn edu fuhr is proving the fuhr bashers wrong but boston is an awfully good team yeh but biran sutter playoff record as the head coach in st wasn very impressive his blues teams were eliminated very early in the playoffs it doesn look like this trend will change with the bruins bruins have never come back to win after falling behind in their entire year history it doesn look like buffalo will just lose their next two games at the aud with the way fuhr has been standing on his head basically the bruins will be on the golf course by next weekend also it seems like the whole boston area has gone baseball crazy after an incredibly great start by the red sox best record in their major leagues as of now would say that of the callers to the bruins flagship station sportsradio are talking about the red sox about are yapping about the patriots upcoming draft are on the celtics and about are on the bruins somehow no one around here is really schocked the way bruins are folding early ppv mark hey guess what coming to espn for change playoff which doesn involve the pens not that there is anything wrong with that espn games thursday pens at devils at gary thorne and bill clement saturday caps at ny isles at tom mees and john davidson abc game sunday pens at devils at gary thorne and bill clement espn named its broadcast team on tuesday it paired tom mees play by play with john davidson analyst ppv mark well we re almost halfway through the first round and so far things are good in general the teams that hate most chicago and basten are down zip even though there is possibility either can still win their series yet this ego thrashing and arrogance smashing by the underdogs st louis and buffalo is so rewarding montreal is at this stage in team life where they are not good enough to go all the way yet too good to be able to get some really good draft picks is it just me or does anyone out there also think that this year the cup final should be played between teams from the wales is it just because they re playing montreal that find the diques arrogant or are they really smythe what really getting sick of seeing douggie and wendel night in and night out we should see some canucks jets flames action don cherry is an alright but hey so are our politicians obleafsjoke what do you get when you cross maple leaf and groundhog six more weeks of crummy hockey dudes go habs gooooooooooooooooooo jon shaib freenet ca when is the draft this year and will there be any coverage know the upcomming nfl draft is on espn anyone got the details paul kariya pick no perhaps he won last long don know the exact coverage in the states in canada it is covered by tsn so maybe espn will grab their coverage don know as for the picks ottawa picks which means it is almost that alexander daigle will go he ll either stay or be traded in montreal or quebec imo would take kariya he should alot of leadership in the ncaa and so far in the world championships daigle didn show this for his junior team san jose will then get kariya tampa bay will either go for russian kozlov think that it or defenseman rob niedemeyer probably spelt the last name wrong the sharks appear to be leaning toward picking rob niedermayer center his brother scott is defenseman picked by nj couple years ago they brought him in for physical tryout week or so ago from what have read niedermayer is the best skater in the draft plays both offense and defense and isn afraid of physical play defensively the sharks are looking pretty good in terms of defense prospects rathje sykora ragnarsson and our centers kisio et al are getting old with all of the small players the sharks have justs can see them picking yet another small player like kariya he just get bashed by the oppposition and get separated shoulder mark the thing that confuses me most about espn is that they decided to show the penguins and devils again on thursday night being that both of the first two games were dominated by pitt you would think that they would show different game this is in addition to the fact that they should show other games just for the sake of fair exposure espn must have some very poor marketing people they are only concerned with featuring players mario than featuring good competitive hockey also some of you should know that as far as can tell espn is not going to show campbell conference games regularly in the first two rounds believe that they are only going to show campbell games in the first two rounds as those series wear on games or perhaps games ve heard that this is because most of their market is east coast and hence would prefer the wales stuff also don expect canadian teams on espn in summary if you want to see network that provides good hockey coverage watch cbc from canada they may be biased toward canadian teams but they don treat the viewers like idiots they provide nice updates and don cherry will always provide few laughs just heard on the news that mike keenan formerly of the blackhawks flyers and general of siberian prison has just signed to coach the rangers the rangers who won the president cup last year have slipped just bit at the end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly flyers the flyers fans are going to be disappointed on keenans decision because they were very interested in him oh well at least we got somebody the flyers wanted is this really true have not been keeping up with any news if it is what the deal with neil smith is he gone too keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you according to the hockey gurus over at espn should the islanders win tonite the two teams will have the same record but the devils will be playing the penguins this is because the islanders have won the season series against the devils think the rules for deciding tie breaker include season series goals against goals for in this order correct me if wrong anyone have anything to add think that they go to divisional records before goals but could be wrong too keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs when want your opinion ll give it to you in case anyone missed it reposting this and also selling some other stuff would like to sell few of my hockey cards sets upperdeck hockey low sets this is the first upperdeck hockey set made important rookie cards in it are mogilny roenick belfour recchi stevens jagr nolan nedved ricci sundin modano richter and others the beckett price is but charging to cover the shipping and packaging ve sold one but still have left for sale also realize that is alot of money especially if you don normally collect cards so if enough people are interested ll break up the set into team sets not sure how much for each it would be nice to just sell them for each but then the people who get the whalers and devils note not bagging on these teams its just that they don have alot of good rookie cards in this set would be subsidizing the people who want chicago or pittsburgh so ll have to make it varialble pricing but most of them should be about or dollars score pinnacle candian sets this is very nice set premium quality cards has second year cards of the players above plus bure potvin falloon and lindros value second year cards and the following rookie cards lidstrom kamensky zelepukin roussel konstantinov beckett price is but have alot of these upperdeck czechoslovakian set this is card set of the world junior tournament meant for sale in czechoslovakia but didn sell well there and some of it filtere back in to the us the cards are bilingual has lachance kovalev and straka rookies if your interested please mail me thanks ok someone asked for this one but he from canada if he can get me the money in us funds then its his if not the first person who writes in will be the alternate also would like to sell upperdeck pavel bure rookie cards note these are not in the ud low set mentioned above each they are in the book but the goes for postage packaging and insurance and if there is something you want that you don see mail me may have it or may be able to get it for you thanks the owl ted formeza panix com espn is pathetic have been watching everybody complain about espn coverage and agree with all of you might suggest that we are getting all worked up over nothing we all knew that espn coverage was going to suck mean have you ever watched during the regular season sportscenter coverage of hockey it sucks mean really sucks espn does not know hockey if it shot them in the ass was really pissed of about last night coverage go to school in ohio know the indians suck so why show them if were bill clement would shoot myself anyway after calmed down after realized that they were not going to show overtime of the caps isles game thought to myself knew that this was going to happen in fact remerbed myself praying that at least they would keep even the boring devils game overall think espn does not care if they show hockey or not and firmly belive that they have know respect for the fans ie because of contract obligations screw you espn praise be to all hockey fans who put up with this shit go hawks this is the price hockey fans have to pay for the mistake of leaving espn or years ago it will take time to correct for that mistake but returning to espn was the correct decision last year by next time we may have the potential for sportschannel and espn to really compete to offer better coverage and be forced to deliver on it gerald here we are with the sabres up to the bruins and the sabres farm team the rochester amerks on their way to the calder cup urp and what kind of hockey coverage are we getting the same penguins devils every other day crap that everyone else gets what worse the sportschannel coverage of the islanders appears to be blocked out since we got cba basketball last night if you can believe it assume the sabres are demanding the sc blackout not espn since we are unbelievably usually considered part of the islanders territory msg coverage of the rangers is blacked out here this despite being solid seven hours plus from long island does anyone know what grc is doing besides putting their satellite dish up their ass and screwing my reception of channels and did empire demand fortune for the games what about the games on or whatever number it is there in buffalo has anyone phoned to complain besides me george george ferguson arpa rochester edu dept of computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university of rochester vox rochester ny fax buffalo is up is the series with boston and the reason grant fuhr fuhr is playoff hungry and he proving once again why they call him money goaltender fuhr might not be one of the best goaltenders in the league anymore statistically at least but he proving that he can make the big save at the right time the leafs should have kept fuhr and probably would have had chance against powerhouse detroit but again where was andreychoke in game applauded the sabres for making the deal to get fuhr specifically because thought it would help them win at least one playoff series however don think the leafs can be faulted either there is nothing to say that felix won be winning playoff series by himself in years to come anyway does anybody else find it ironic that fuhr is up against moog or at least he was until guy named alex showed up in messge on mon apr mitre org steve greanias wrote do not have cable and on the nights the caps don play would like to tune in other games does anyone have list of the radio stations which broadcast the games for the nhl teams here are the ones can remember offhand kdka am pittsburgh penguins lori the regular penguins poster here on rec sport hockey indicated to me via mail that on the nights that pirates baseball and penguins playoff games coincide the pens will be covered on wdve fm wabc am new jersey devils wbbm am chicago blackhawks wjm am detroit redwings this is wjr in detroit and it am however as neglected to mention in my earlier response to this thread on the nights when the tigers baseball games coincide with the wings playoff games the wings will be carried on wllz fm aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggg oh guess what the score is now penguins switch games you and guess which game espn is showing in my area on thursday yep pens devils there are so many other interesting series who cares about mario mike borchevsky is and gilmour is think gilmour slightly outweighs borchevsky andreychuk is also about think susan teeheehee oops espn through fortunate rainout of baseball game showed the red wings toronto game cool but swear that the advertisements all week long had said that espn would show pitt nj on tuesday and bos buff on thursday raced home from work early pacific to catch the game but alas it was the boston buffalo game and then they promised that they would show the pitt nj game on thursday overnight they changed their mind what the hell are talking about espn showed pens devils game as advertised but the morons at espn should know that pens will kick devils ass and the game will be boring rather see boston buffalo game which seems to be an exciting series since noone had expected buffalo to get past the first round well let hope they change their mind on thu game and show some other game the pens series is really getting boring want to see some exciting game no matter who wins if nhl wants major network contract then they better put some brains in espn people experience is what makes person make new mistakes instead of old one mail udel edu here summary of don cherry coach corner from april the game being broadcast in my region was la and calgary although think it was filmed during the toronto detroit game that night warning anti fighting people may want to skip this post topics don tie grant fuhr penalties wings vs leafs fighting dale hunter episode summary this episode began with the camera zoomed in on don tie don was pointing out the characters on the tie bugs bunny foghorn leghorn and yosemite sam who don called lanny macdonald ron maclean began by mentioning that don was almost evicted from hotel where he was watching the previous night games because of all the yelling and cheering he was doing over the play of hunter and fuhr don began to praise fuhr calling him the greatest goalie and said that he winning the series against boston all by himself he then showed clips from earlier episodes nov jan when fuhr was still with the leafs and don advised don trade fuhr don went on to predict that if buffalo gets by boston it would be fuhr who wins the series muckler took lot of heat for the trade but don feels muckler been vindicated the next topic involved how playoff games are being ruined by too many penalty calls he showed clip from winnipeg vancouver game where domi hit vancouver player and was given min penalty ron said that it was called penalty because his stick was involved but don stuck with the opinion that it was good hit with domi hitting the vancouver player with his shoulder don its sad what they re doing for hockey minute penalty for nosebleed next they went to the playoff series between detroit and toronto people in detroit were calling wendel clarke wendy for not fighting however don pointed out that probert was not fighting either this lead don into tirad about fighting and stickwork and how banning fighting leads to more high sticking it like college hockey the little wee guy with the visor is brave as anybody that why you re seeing so much stickwork because they know you won drop your gloves and give them shot the rules are made by people who don know what going on in hockey the final topic don discussed was dale hunter don pointed out that he was leading the league in goals and showed clip of hunter from previous game when he was younger hunter was taught to play to win which differs from today idea of just letting kids have fun at then end of the episode they showed clip from coach corner with the tape on fast forward so that don sounded like one of the chipmunks rating typical anti fighting posturing not too much humour but some good quotes give it out of allan sullivan ualberta ca department of computing science university of alberta edmonton alberta canada my opinions are mine and mine alone it is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit of golden bears hockey motto drake here summary of don cherry coach corner from april it was taken from tape delay of vancouver winnipeg game but it was filmed during the toronto detroit game that night think it was also shown during the calgary la game warning anti fighting people may want to skip this post topics don tie doug gilmour wings leafs quebec montreal boston buffalo wendel clark fighting and stickwork episode summary once again the episode started with shot of don tie this was different tie than last time don pointed out some of the characters on the tie but gave them different names felix the cat sylverster maclean daffy duck etc ron maclean asked don what he thought of the current wings leafs game don thought it was good burns told the leaf players they won in their building we re going to win in ours don then began to praise gilmour again don pointed out that gilmour has never got less than points or goal in any game since he got points in game against st louis don also claims that he gave lot of encouragement to gilmour which was partly responsible for his good play several clips were then shown of gilmour from the series hit on constantinov and pass to andrewchuk resulting in goal on the game itself the wings were taking lot of penalties in the first period the wings have enough talent to score short handed however and when the leafs get power play coach burns tells the leaf players don let them score on you ron brought up the previous quebec montreal game note montreal won that game in overtime despite having possible game winner disqualified because it was batted in with high stick don thought the high stick was obvious even without the use of instant replay on the buffalo boston series note buffalo is currently winning the series don gave full credit to goaltender grant fuhr fuhr should be getting the team playoff checks for his play wendel clarke has recently been criticized for his performance during the detroit toronto series don defended him by saying that he can play the way he should because of the league new rules this used to be rough and tough league now its all hack and slash don lays the blame on gil stien for the problems don opinions on fighting and stickwork are shared by wings gm and coach bryan murray clip from news conference by murray was shown in which murray made statements claiming the elimination of fighting increases stickwork don also read newspaper article in which murray makes the following statements players don fight because they re afraid of getting thrown out of the game as instigator instead they settle grudges by getting their sticks and slicing each other is this what the fans want to see guarantee there wouldn be as many slashes if fighting were kept in the game don warned league commisioner gary bettman to smarten up with fighting in hockey he went on to say that before there used to be one guy cut with high stick in series now with no fights someone gets cut every period rating typical anti fighting posturing but here don opinion is supported by murray give it out of the thing that confuses me most about espn is that they decided to show the penguins and devils again on thursday night being that both of the first two games were dominated by pitt you would think that they would show different game this is in addition to the fact that they should show other games just for the sake of fair exposure also some of you should know that as far as can tell espn is not going to show campbell conference games regularly in the first two rounds believe that they are only going to show campbell games in the first two rounds as those series wear on games or perhaps games also does anyone have info on abc coverage for this sunday espn had an advertise for pens devils game don know what the hell they are trying to do especially against nfl draft well guess there goes the nhl ratings for sundays game robert andolina umn edu think the three headed gm guiding principle was to keep veterans in favor of youngsters only if they offered significant advantage doesn sound like bad strategy to me no and in fact that was ferreira original strategy which the troika proceeded to simply continue to implement there wasn exactly radical shift in policy when he was ousted something people seem to forget the only real question is whether they did it as well as ferreira could have if he stayed or whether the basic strategy was flawed since ferreira has been quoated as saying he going to do something different in anaheim with the ducks my guess is that it wasn as good in practice as it was on paper and he tweaking it bit second time around one also has to wonder whether the strategy would have been lot better if we hadn had those injuries and whether we re complaining about the weather because an earthquake collapsed the root cellar of course ferreira had also traded number of veterans with marginal contributions before he was fired so it not clear that this would have been different besides they were marginal contributors let also not forget that ferreira came this close to trading kelly kisio which if the rumors ve heard are true was over the strong objections of other aspects of shark management and probably had lot to do with both his ouster and the three headed consensus oriented gm imagine for second where the sharks would be today if that fax machine hadn jammed with or without mullen they weren going to be playoff team what good does it do them to hang onto player who rather be elsewhere especially an unhappy player that isn playing as well because of it not that accuse mullen of tanking but his motivation simply wasn there and that kind of thing can affect the team an example from this season skriko was brought in on trial basis but not kept because of his age thought he was decent contributor worth keeping around the youth movement has its advantages look at gaudreau who might still be in kc if more veterans had been kept around but you have to find the right balance right balance for what that the issue exactly at the time they let skriko go we hadn yet had the major injury bugs that killed us later much rather have skriko around than someone like dean kolstad but at that point that wasn the choice and since the choice was more one of skriko vs someone like john carter think the right choice was made for that time period chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors apple com san jose giants san francisco giants fans giants apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks apple com new seat tbd believe the nhl draft is on or the june weekend in article usask ca usask ca randy path ctron news ctron com noc near net uunet utcsri newsflash concordia ca mi izar cc umanitoba ca access usask ca cs usask ca coulman newsgroups rec sport hockey date wed apr edt organization university of saskatchewan lines sender randy coulman distribution world message id usask ca reply to usask ca nntp posting host skorpio usask ca would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal and save percentage numbers for me so can put these stats on the archive site contact me by mail if you want to volunteer here are the individual goalie stats as of wed apr cst these stats include games up to and including the sunday previous to the date listed above they have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper every tuesday they don print shots and save percentage numbers so those are not verified these stats are available by mail every weekday and sometimes on weekends if in town and can get late game results just send me note if you would like to receive these stats by mail if you have any questions comments or suggestions let me know randy mp minutes played ga goals against so shutouts gaa goals against average wins losses ties sog shots on goal sv save percentage mp ga so gaa sog sv tm player was byron dafoe har corrie alessio mtl frederick chabot bos mike bales tor felix potvin chi ed belfour bos john blue chi jim waite pit tom barrasso stl curtis joseph van kay whitmore buf dominik hasek bos andy moog cal jeff reese mtl patrick roy har mike lenarduzzi det vincent riendeau tor daren puppa det tim cheveldae cal mike vernon nyi glenn healy buf grant fuhr nyr john vanbiesbrouck was don beaupre min jon casey van kirk mclean nj chris terreri mtl andre racicot que stephane fiset phi tommy soderstrom pit ken wregget bos reggie lemelin que ron hextall nyi mark fitzpatrick win bob essensa win jim hrivnak min darcy wakaluk tb wendell young tb jc bergeron nj craig billington stl guy hebert was rick tabaracci buf tom draper nyr corey hirsch phi dominic roussel nyr mike richter nyi danny lorenz edm bill ranford la robb stauber la kelly hrudey que jacques cloutier har mario gosselin la rick knickle tb pat jablonski sj arturs irbe har sean burke edm ron tugnutt ott daniel berthiaume phi stephane beauregard ott peter sidorkiewicz cal andrei trefilov har frank pietrangelo win mike neill sj wade flaherty sj jeff hackett sj brian hayward tor rick wamsley was olaf kolzig ott darrin madeley ott steve weeks la david goverde tb david littman randy coulman sc aries laboratory research assistant department of computational science university of saskatchewan usask ca saskatoon sk mike machnik ctron com edu cabletron systems inc hmn agree thouroughly screw the damn contractual agreements show the exciting hockey game they will lose fans of espn of which have been one for quite while quickly with decisions like this just my chuck espn ed up this time atwood cs vt edu virginia tech computer science department am an ulf and pgh fan and what pisses me off about the whole adam graves ulf samuesson debate is that ulf plays hard hitting hockey nothing wrong with that while graves does what he does when the only way to win game is to intentionally hurt someone which bites jeesus never thought see the day when defended ranger you obviously don watch much hockey if you think that graves is goon he is one of the hardest working rangers check that the hardest working ranger he had goals this year not bad for checking type of player and showed up for every single game this season unlike that stiff messier he is fearless and throws clean checks he will also stand up to someone after he hits them not like that pussy oaf exactly my point if you watch games more closely you see lot of goons going after him ulf is one of the main reasons why less physical players for pgh are left alone ulf plays rough hockey but only when other players are putting the rush on mario or jagr if you want to say anyone on the penguins is cheap shot or goon say it jennings or caufield don tslander good defenseman because your favorite players can beat the pens even when they take dives like gartner to try for the cheap penalties as for his slash of lemieux fine it was cheap shot it is the exception not the rule bet you think mike gartner is goon because of the time that he slashed the hell out of oaf arm last year right after all he did get suspension for it hey that fine if player does something stupid he should be penalized including ulf or mario you re not likely to see that happen or anyone else for that matter it pointless to say any one person is cheap shot goon because you ll see everyone take cheap shot now and then especially if you resomeone who is shadowed as much as ulf is jpc john curcio go bruins philips laboratories philips com scarborough road briarcliff manor ny tim drozinski erau edu chew electric death snarling cur spaceman spiff stuff deleted if the bruins get to meet pittsburgh in the near future you can bet neely will have his day the sight of watching ulf turtle up like the coward he is is worth almost as much as stanley cup stuff deleted how much do you watch and follow hockey the pens and bruins will be in the same division next season which will give neeley plenty of opportunity to whine about ulf all can say is glad that you are satisfied with seeing ulf turtle up as substitute for the stanley cup because that as close as the bruins are going to come to the stanley cup for while tim drozinski erau edu chew electric death snarling cur spaceman spiff on tuesday when it was raining in chicago espn provided bonus hockey coverage now it seems as though some fans are ticked off that the ny wash ot was replaced with the angels game people must realize that there are more baseball fans instead of hockey fans in the the baseball game was scheduled to air and advertisers money was paid so they can skip the baseball game why don you people chill out and enjoy whatever coverage you can get well partly because as an ardent fan of both sports would rather see game of the nhl playoffs than game of of the mlb season even if the bb game involves the red sox espn may have had contractual obligations understand that part but it bit inaccurate to call us selfish just because we want to watch the watch the game we love am as baseball fan selfish when get pissed cbs for showing approximately one game per month don think so while espn may have contractual obligations we as their consumers have right to voice our displeasure with how they are serving us there certainly nothing wrong with that bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu the way he does does not belong in the nhl there have been cheap shot artists through the history of the game but lot of them have been talanted players bobby clarke kenny linsemen pie mckenzie chris chelios etc but nobody has been out right as dirty cheapshot coward as ulf violence in hockey has got to be curbed and players like should have been women samuelson don belong when players like ulf who main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed to continue and the league won stop it the players should christian pro aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely if the bruins get chance to meet pittsburgh in the near future you can bet neely will have his day the sight of watching ulf turtle up like the coward he is is worth almost as much as stanely cup this wimp of player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers in the game if you are to remove ulf samuelson from the lineup the penguins would not even notice he gone he an eyesore on the game of hockey rich rich pull your head out of your ass joseph stiehm as if an aluminum stick being taken to ulf head is gonna solve the problem with violence in the sport of hockey how the hell can you say the guy is goon and justify it with your back assward mentality saying that hurting player will solve anyone problems is asinine new rules and new referee system need to be instituted right now too many of the real goons get away with too much because the ref is watching the play or supposed to be ve seen koharski and van hellemond to name few with their heads up their asses on few calls rather than keeping an eye on the goofballs behind the play even if the linesmen were able to call all penalties it would be an improvement tim drozinski erau edu chew electric death snarling cur spaceman spiff in article bitnet bitnet wrote think this proves by point the caps game goes into overtime but due to contractual obligations they have to switch to the fucking baseball sorry for my language but im pissed what the hell were they going to do if their scheduled game went into overtime espn get your head out of your ass now know there are lot hey american hockey fans as hockey fan can sympathize with thefrustration that you feel the problem is that other americans don give shit about hockey they view it as bunch of canadians with bad accents and missing teeth beating the shit out of each other on patch of ice when it is too warm now in two thirds of the us to see the stuff naturally on the other hand baseball is the gasp swoon sigh national pasttime baseball is so romanticized in the us that you are supposed to forget that other sport exist after april and before november feel that since espn shows baseball games week they should be able to show an ot hockey game instead of the opening innings of baseball game hell the game is going to last so what if you miss the first hrs and am an indians fan show the end of what you started then switch but then hockey fan what do know baseball is the all mighty sport jason bgsu edu go whalers pick well here are the final stadings for the usenet hockey draft congratulations to this year winner dave wessels of victoria who parlayed his initial points into points thanks to all teams for entering the biggest usenet hockey draft ever hope to hear from you all again this september for the annual draft usenet hockey draft standings week posn team total pts cash last posn dave wessels brad gibson dinamo riga an interesting note have absolutely no recollection who was on my team picked all my players about weeks before the start of the season and then never touched the roster again got wrapped up in my own money pool and decided not to get involved at all with the usenet pool sorry andrew btw the only thing remember about my team is that had joe sacco and maybe john maclean maybe francis and kevin stevens as well out of curiousity checked the final standings today on only to find to my amazement that with absolutely no input the initial team still managed to finsh not sure what that implies for those who finished below me ciao brad gibson brad gibson internet ubc ca dept of geophysics astronomy main mall phone university of british columbia fax vancouver british columbia canada in article cc wayne edu cc wayne edu laurie marshall says in article hp com door attendants at the joe louis arena have been checking fans for octopuses sp as they are not allow in the arena want to know where these people are hiding these octopuses everytime ve been to the joe they checked my purse and that the only place can think of putting one any other wings fans out there know of ways to sneak these octopuses into the joe you mean they don strip search you and do cavity checks the fools do the isles have another defenseman to insert into the line up besides pilon once again last night stupid penalty put the isles in hole for the remainder of regulation and minutes into overtime even though the isles nearly survived pilon blunder in regulation it was the most inopportune time for minute major penalty instead of confronting cote as he came across the blueline pilon backed up and swiped at cote nose with his stick al arbour can be serious to think pilon is the guy to have out there with the game on the line heard scott lachance is out till later in the series but there must be someone else bring back the bammer dave langevin lets go islanders john scialdone gsfc nasa gov ve been gambling hereabouts for good solid years jg rh only one series is done but need to post something by the way the islanders just scored rank team name points final roland behunin cal que que milton keynes kings det pit pit barfly tor bos tor dean det pit pit oz lak bos lak garry tor bos bos brian bergman det pit det mopar muscle men chi pit pit bh last place picks chi pit pit dave wessels van pit pit sam his dogs det pit pit ye ding det pit pit tampere stars chi pit pit the mighty hedgehogs of myllyp chi bos bos homesick hawaiian van pit pit killer kings chi was chi puggy greybeards det pit pit ottawa bearcats tor pit tor andrew kirk tor pit pit muller walker det pit pit excalibur det pit pit rednecks from hockey hell det bos bos the rangers of chi pit pit jeff phelps det pit pit arctic circles det pit pit sludge det pit det the logistician det pit det hillside raiders chi bos bos danielle chi que que stanias stars chi bos bos bloodhook det pit pit gilles carmel chi pit pit pasi fr nti lak pit pit evan pritchard van pit pit skriko wolves det pit pit rangers blow cal pit pit sean det pit pit schott shooters chi pit pit gary shiff tor pit pit mike burger det pit det darse det pit pit mike burger my canada includes quebec ontario colostate edu the maritimes the prairies and florida beginning computing ta stud four months year over students served royal canadian air farce university of michigan colorado state university yahooooooooo the habs tied this sucker at and the teams now head for quebec city to play game btw final score was habs nords the score might be bit misleading the habs dominated the game from the mark of the first and then on the score should have been if it weren for some miraculous save from ron hextall bastard he the reason the score was as close habs winning goal was scored by benoit brunet at of the roy had an ok game he made the first save one way or another and the defense was there to clear any rebounds this just in espn radio reports that the bruins lost in ot yahooooooooooo those suckers got what they deserved life is just great now if my finals would go just as well nick ll take off my town crier hat now the czar of mainframe computing mcgill ca mcgill university will also be happy will good performance we played ok in vancouver but much better last night as the big guys were going for the jets yep though my reasons for being relatively quiet are simple last year woofed when we went up on the canucks and look where it got me by the way did domi play last night didn notice him on the ice domi got tossed in the with high sticking major he had been playing with kris king and stu barnes and it was this line that was arguably the best in the first two games am very glad to have found some places in champaign illinois that have satillite dishes to pick up the cbc vancouver feed and also glad to have found some other hockey fans some jets and some canucks fans to watch the game with definitely good thing every little cheer helps evan good thing the net doesn need voice to operate won have one sunday night when get home hope white noise here we come one thing will say though vancouver can keep steve armitage and john garrett as broadcast team those two are bad especially when you are spoiled by don wittman at least four or five times steve called barnes selanne whoops daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder it over the sabres came back to beat the bruins in ot tonight to sweep the series beautiful goal by brad may lafontaine set him up while lying down on the ice ended it fuhr left the game game with an injured shoulder and lafontaine was banged up as well however the sabres will get week rest so injuries should not be problem montreal edged quebec to square their series which seems to be headed for game the habs dominated the first two periods and were unlucky to only have tie after minutes however an early goal by brunet in the won it the islanders won their ot game of the series on goal by ray ferraro the caps simply collapsed after taking lead in the the isles all time playoff ot record is now vlad the impaler like many others too was watching the caps isles game when the went to the baseball game too was pissed how could they interupt such an important game understand about contracts but you would think they would have clause in the contract concerning important games anyway us blues and hawks fans got shafted worse while everyone in the and watched the game on abc however those of us who live in the central illinois area were subjected to watching the arthritus telethon the area that was most affected by the telecast did not get to see the game except through hawk vision this game had it been televised would have been the first home hawks game shown in the area since this television bull has got to stop we are not only being deprived of seeing games due to skyrocketing ticket prices but we are also being deprived of watching them on tv peace hammer being blues fan don get to see much else from around the league with the exception of hockey night on espn can get the blues games where go to school thus don get to see whole lot of other teams play except for the hawks but last night got to catch glimpse of the caps isles game it occurred to me that turgeon is stud on skates his moves are quick and brilliant you ny fans should be proud who won the game caps isles peace hammer bufflo sabres has just finished their great four wins over boston all sabres players contribute to those great wins but those talent players including mogily fuhr kemhlev and lafontin impressed me most their skills showed the art of sport not like the garbage speech from the coach corner go make hocky popular make hocky more exciting but less violent reading through most of these hockey news don see many ranger fans writing we re here talking about hockey we don go away like some team fans when the rangers bite the big one yeah think we re used to it by now even if some of us do change our sigs to root for our second favorite teams new to this system and big hockey fan and long suffering ranger fan but remember suffering builds character don care want my cking stanley cup before die aargh ll be happy if they win it before get out of school the way it going may be here saying piled higher and deeper before long ranger fans may be suffering but we re some of the most loyal unlike islander fans who only show up when the team wins this has been observed many times it true definitely have feeling that alot of people out there may not like this statement but by far the worst band wagon fans are the pit fans at least at the present case in point know guy who just came to hockey hell tm from pitt him how bout the pens the re ing awesome me yeah but beating up on the devils doesn mean alot wait until they meet boston and or detroit in the playoffs start him when do the playoffs start me uhhhh they started week ago not saying that this is true of all the waddlers fans but there seems to be alot of them floating around who really know nothing about hockey except that they re newly beloved waddlers are the best team in the game right now and when they re not the best team those fans will disappear into the woodwork john flames dev null serious comments welcomed eat the rich as far as the stanley cup goes think there only one team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit this would be the most entertaining and hard fought series mario is amazing keith keller let go rangers let go quakers sas upenn edu ivy league champs cow is not vegetarian dish keith keller in hockey hell clemson edu john wodziak the real black and gold in memorium alan kulwicki space will triumph over those who polish yankee mechanical engineer for are pretenders to the crown winston cup champion great person rent just wondering where all the bruins fans are mean they woofed it up with about posts during the regular season saying that their fave team was going to kick everyone in the playoffs and win the stanley cup while see nothing wrong with little ranting and raving just curious why all the boston faithful have stopped posting mean haven even see just one little boston fan post cept for the bruins fans that aren cocky well maybe they re all out on the golf course or something but don know sure like to see where all those bruins fans are at still here just doing little sobbing in our beer so we re to busy to post seriously think caught sig curse from nelson first the rangers and now the hmmm how bout dem whalers no offense to steveg or others in hockey hell clemson edu john wodziak the real black and gold in memorium alan kulwicki space will triumph over those who polish yankee mechanical engineer for are pretenders to the crown winston cup champion great person rent actually was angry when they went away from the pens game being pens fan in central virginia is kinda tough only get to see them on espn and when they play the caps cause we re close enough to dc to get all the caps games so when espn switched to the caps aaaggghhh matt not nearly as angry as was to have set the vcr yesterday only to get home to find the bruins vs buffalo that what get for reading the tv section and not the sports section for what game will be aired nancy spera imt division if didn know for fact that chevron petroleum technology co elvis was working in donut shop box la habra ca in beaver falls swear he was tel com driving this truck scotty baldwin add boston weei as the bruins flagship station you probably won pick it up anywhere outside of boston since it only watt station the bruins also have network stations in all new england states this could be the bruins last year on eei which also happens to be an all sports radio station the problem is that the bruins are not too happy being moved over to different station wmex whenever there is the same night conflict with the nba boston celtics this happened times during the course of the regular season the celtics own financially troubled weei the bruins might resurface on whdh next year stay tuned ppv mark quoting the logistician to all tl am in need of all of the players wearing in the nhl know now tl only of one ray borque for the bruins any help would be greatly tl appreciated tl thanx hi there logistician is not paul coffey wearing for the detroit red wings that is the only other one besides borque that can think of hope it helps steve warning removal of this tagline prohibited by law blue wave qwk quoting greg rogers to all gr hi all gr due to living in the bay area as unable to see vancouver victory gr over the jets last night know the score but that rarely describes gr the game could someone please post brief sonapsis sp of waht gr happened how well did each team play were the cannucks deserving of gr the victory gr also could some kind soul please email me the end of season gr individual player stats gr greg gr vancouver for the cup in virtual reality am sorry to tell you this greg but in all reality we cannot see vancouver winning the cup they have rrally good chance to come out of the smythe division and chance to make it to the finals but no one is capable this year of beating the penguins they have too many scoring threats would love to be proven wrong but must conclude that the pens will win cup this year steve mondays are rotten way to spend of your life blue wave qwk quoting gsfc nasa to all oh from gsfc nasa gov oh newsgroups rec sport hockey oh subject test please ignore oh message id gsfc nasa gov oh date wed apr gmt oh reply to gsfc nasa gov oh this is test please ignore oh oh oh oh ok will ignore this message since it is only test wow montreal just scored to go up in game of their series oh sorry was supposed to ignore this message wasn bye for now steve dont you dare read this tagline blue wave qwk so all us hockey automobile racing fans all know exactly where we stand espn delays the martinsville race by day for the nfl draft espn shows baseball instead of the overtime of nhl playoff game gimme break guys what really irritated me was that they kept switching back and forth between baseball and hockey after they stated that they couldn show the overtime period turned back to espn around and it was hockey great pulled up chair and watched then the first overtime period ended and they went back to baseball before coming back to hockey something like minutes later are they trying to alienate both hockey and baseball viewers at the same time as for martinsville wonder why they even bothered to sign up for it when they it was no secret that it coincided with the draft why not let tnn broadcast it george charlie shub colorado edu wood played most of his junior career in seattle he was one of the leading scorers on mediocre team when he was traded away in he rarely lost fight and was one of the toughest players in the whl wood is fairly small for an enforcer type mean fleury does pretty good job and isn that large but dody is no fleury having been witness to three or four of his fights closeup he simply isn ready to fight at an nhl level assuming that it his role which is all he really showed us in his few games up from if he can pass shoot or skate never saw much of it all he has is right fist which isn bad but at the nhl level the other players are smart enough to grab the thing before he can land anything significant once you control that hand he fish flopping on the beach and the other player can do just about anything he wants to him his entire strategy seemed to be keep the hand out of reach until he found an opening and never once saw him find an opening worth talking about he got neutralized quickly and stomped on couple of times unless he shows some new tricks in camp he ll be on my career minor leaguer list since this was his first taste of the nhl expect the sharks gave it to him so he know what he have to work on off season he needs to get stronger he needs to get more speed and he needs to show some versatility as something else than simply goond because he wasn particularly good as goon chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors apple com san jose giants san francisco giants fans giants apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks apple com new seat tbd don know who scored but the isles franchise record in playoff ot games took game four by score of for their third consecutive ot win over the capitals tonight at uniondale if you know please post who scored for isles fan living in atlanta hockey hell lord stan uniondale man go isles jsm disaster finland was beaten by czech finland will be of pool and will most certainly meet canada in the quarter final on wednesday lack of scoring skills has been the major problem of team finland throughout the tournament briza goalie was the mvp of the czech team and tikkanen was the mvp of the finnish team jarkko disaster finland was beaten by czech finland will be of pool and will most certainly meet canada in the quarter final on wednesday lack of scoring skills has been the major problem of team finland throughout the tournament briza goalie was the mvp of the czech team and tikkanen was the mvp of the finnish team in four of the five games finns have played the goalie has been chosen the best player of the opposing team in the fifth the finnish goalie ketterer was elected the best finn has this to do with the goalies having good days in these games or are the finnish players just lousy scorers anyway quite few goals have been scored in these games in generally the exception of course being canada vs italy it looks like the goalies are getting too good is this due to their equipment getting bigger so they cover more their gloves seem to be much bigger now than they were some years ago anybody know if the rules on goalie equipment has changed this way mikko wihervaara jarkko on nyt mm nen testi sigun kai piti olla muutamarivinen nyt viel pari los angeles kings schedule results tv 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talk with the kings mailing list stanford edu to subscribe or unsubscribe kings stanford edu this is an all point team for the canadian nhlers who are not playoff bound goalies bill ranford edmonton sean burke hartford peter sidorkiewicz ottawa defensemen zarley zalapski hartford norm maciver ottawa garry galley philadelphia greg hawgood philadelphia dave manson edmonton mark tinordi minnesota centers mark messier rangers geoff sanderson hartford brian bradley tampa bay rod brind amour philadelphia left wings adam graves rangers chris kontos tampa bay patrick poulin hartford shayne corson edmonton right wings pat verbeek hartford russ courtnall minnesota mike gartner rangers kevin dineen philadelphia go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks wayne made his own bed choosing mcnall over sather and hockey destiny he should sleep in it instead of whining ego got absolute nonsense the decision that was made was pocklington he chose mill over gretzky if gretzky wasn upset about not being able to win cup in la then submit that he wasn worth the mill the best of him he thought the supporting cast in edmonton didn matter that he was the show himself how do you know what he thinks or thought the only thought that can see that you have revealed is your own you don like gretzky big deal now my only complaint about lemieux is that he dives too much but last year patrick convinced him twice to accept bowman and hockey destiny rather than his ego the real purpose of diving is not merely an attempt to draw penalty what the player is trying to do is make the checkers keep their distance so the ref won be fooled can imagine why anyone would expect someone like lemieux to change his game why don you pick on dimensional over rated type like hull and salami cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time caps isles fans anyone interested in catching the games from nassau coliseum hopefully there will be another can catch the game at north carolina original sports bar in chapel hill pretty sure they carry hts as well they had all three games on at the same time last night this is the only place know to catch all of the stanley cup action frank salvatore ncsu edu am sure some bashers of pens fans are pretty confused about the lack of any kind of posts about the recent pens massacre of the devils actually am bit puzzled too and bit relieved however am going to put an end to non pittsburghers relief with bit of praise for the pens man they are killing those devils worse than thought jagr just showed you why he is much better than his regular season stats he is also lot fo fun to watch in the playoffs bowman should let jagr have lot of fun in the next couple of games since the pens are going to beat the pulp out of jersey anyway was very disappointed not to see the islanders lose the final regular season game pens rule here are the standings after game of each of the divisional semi final series andrew usenet hockey playoff draft standings posn team pts rem last posn sneddon scorers arctic circles northern lights threepeat fighting amish team elvis chris roney myers marauders the dead ducks les poteux sludge paige faults sam his dogs the borg hurricane andrew lewey lakers einstien punk band homesick hawaiian test department samuel lau calgary alberta mopar muscle men jerky boys gb flyers neural netters give you money monday bill mcgreer fugazi detroit homeboy bloom county all stars dehradun maawalis great expectations purdue ricks pens frank little wankers jan stein allez les blues goaldingers suds weenies bury bruce rented mules mind sweepers mike burger go flames garryola the mulberry maulers lippe flamming senators big bay bombers milton keynes kings seppo kemppainen freddy beach rockets the campi machine rock em sock ems sean forbes tapio repo zachmans wingers zipper heads canadian gladiators teem kanada new zealand leafs tiger chung lees rangers of destiny make beliefs dave wessels norway killerwhales force trevor triumph commitments skate or die dog hog delaware destroyers craig team rangers blow debbie bowles mak paranjape comfortably numb loaded weapons rob del mundo robarts research rebels fuzzfaces galore houdini magicians la coupe stainless cluster buster lets go pandas tequila shooters steves superstars reksa fans of oulu habs playing golf chris stevens on thin ice oakville brothers jason team smithw anson mak skriko wolves all the kane men danielle leblanc team awesome weasels alf all stars zippety doodah kramer george and jerry rev rebels yan loke lamp lighters littlest giants mr creosote oceanweavers great scott bobby schmautz fan club icemachine hat trick mike the promise land daves knee jerk picks doug bowles holsteins sfb lemon pepper grizzly bears flying pigs les raisins reneb gilles carmel boops bets timo ojala rednecks from hockey hell gee man frack attack triple ulfie brothers buffalo soldiers shigella ottawa bearcats whiters monica loke lance hill the boston bruins fa mann mariners new jersey rob frasses faceplants doug mraz muller walker high stickers legzryx beer makes me an expert gail hiebert dean martin marcs maulers brians bloodletters van isle colonists charlie cook bjorkloven schott shooters bjoern leaguen the eradicators lord stanley favourites but wait theres more stacey ross heikki salmi the ice kickers chapman chaps the rangers of the underwriters beam team dave hiebert canuck force evan pritchard controversy warriors jfz dream team san jose mahi mahi go go gagit goddess of fermentation bure blur louisiana psycho killers east city jokers tampere salami joe crak head grant marven mark and steve dreaming again pens dynasty chip dale cherry bombers brian bergman the goobmeister oz arm hammer gax goons daryl turner bosse myllypuro hedgehogs chapman sticks hillside raiders knights on power play eldoret elephants sparky select sluggo hosers butt ends lisa luggers stanias stars ken de cruyenaere gary shiff jukurit montys nords jane world rolaids required martin gag equipe du jour arsenal maple leafs the alarmers killer kings andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old curtis joseph and ray leblanc have made some big moves in the poll recently hextall has shown some strong movement as well kirk mclean and tom barrasso can see why have been added to the list recently keep sending in those votes current votes for favorite goalie masks player team pts votes ed belfour chicago curtis joseph st louis andy moog boston brian hayward san jose ron hextall quebec grant fuhr buffalo gerry cheevers boston retired john vanbeisbrouck ny rangers ray leblanc usa olympic mike richter ny rangers manon rheaume atlanta ihl don beaupre washington ken dryden montreal retired others receiving less than mike vernon cal clint malarchuk buf sd ihl tommy soderstrom phil tom barrasso pit artus irbe sj tim cheveldae det sean burke nj rick wamsley tor ret jon casey minn bob essensa win glenn healy nyi tony espo chi gilles gratton bos rod stauber la gump worsley mtl nyr pat jablonski tb grant fuhr tor felix potvin tor stephane beauregard win mark fitzpatrick nyi chico resch nyi kirk mclean van go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu world championships in germany group standings munich group standings dortmund gp gf ga gp gf ga canada czech republic sweden germany russia usa switzerland finland italy norway austria france april italy russia norway germany sweden austria usa czech republic april canada switzerland russia austria finland france april sweden canada czech republic germany switzerland italy finland usa april germany france italy sweden czech republic norway april switzerland russia usa france austria canada norway finland april switzerland austria germany finland april russia sweden czech republic france canada italy usa norway april sweden switzerland finland czech republic russia canada germany usa april austria italy france norway playoffs april quarterfinals sweden usa russia germany april quarterfinals canada finland italy switzerland czech republic april relegation april semifinals may relegation bronze medal game may final staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey by the way am canadian play little and watched hockey night in canada never missed show well that really great pat guess since you ve played little you thereby qualify as an expert especially since you watch all the games on all that qualifies you as is armchair quarterback or coach potato not that condone violence but ll make an exception for mario pat walker again just further evidence as to what kind of an expert you are truly stupid statement mario is definately one of the best players to play the game not saying he is the best to ever play the game but he should come to mind when that question is asked let face it he just returns from radiation therapy with around dozen games left overtakes lafontaine for the scoring lead and then buries him no guess he just got lucky speaking of lafontaine now there guy who should be considered for the hart trophy as well certainly one of the better players in the league this year stanley cup playoff stats through games played sunday april top point scorers rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player can bos adam oates usa stl rw brett hull rus buf rw alexander mogilny can pit mario lemieux can cal rw theoren fleury can tor doug gilmour can det paul coffey usa buf pat lafontaine can nyi ray ferraro rus van rw pavel bure rus buf lw yuri khmylev can van rw trevor linden can buf dale hawerchuk usa stl craig janney can bos joe juneau can cal joe nieuwendyk can stl jeff brown can pit ron francis top goal scorers rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player rus buf rw alexander mogilny usa stl rw brett hull can was dale hunter can pit mario lemieux can nyi ray ferraro can tor lw dave andreychuk can bos rw cam neely usa la jimmy carson usa que rw scott young top assist scorers rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player can bos adam oates can det paul coffey usa buf pat lafontaine can tor doug gilmour can stl jeff brown can pit ron francis usa win phil housley swe was calle johansson can cal al macinnis top power play goal scorers rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player usa stl rw brett hull can was dale hunter can cal rw theoren fleury rus buf rw alexander mogilny can bos joe juneau can stl lw brendan shanahan usa la jimmy carson tch cal robert reichel fin win rw teemu selanne can mon lw vincent damphousse all the short handed goal scorers rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player can cal rw theoren fleury can pit mario lemieux usa cal joel otto usa cal gary suter rus det sergei fedorov can bos dave poulin can win luciano borsato can det lw shawn burr can stl lw dave lowry usa buf rw wayne presley top game winning goal scorers rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player usa stl rw brett hull can nyi ray ferraro usa stl craig janney usa que rw scott young rus van rw pavel bure can pit ron francis rus buf lw yuri khmylev can van rw trevor linden can tor lw dave andreychuk can was dale hunter top point scoring defensemen rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player can det paul coffey can stl jeff brown usa win phil housley swe was calle johansson can cal al macinnis top rookie point scorers rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player can bos joe juneau usa pit shawn mceachern fin win rw teemu selanne tch buf richard smehlik top penalty minute leaders rnk pts pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player can det lw keith primeau rus det sergei fedorov can nyi richard pilon can tor rw rob pearson can win rw tie domi joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues hockey fan from way back and maintain an interest as best can here in the hockey hinterlands oklahoma hoping can get reading from some of you about the move of the north stars to dallas ve been under the impression that minnesota was one of or possibly the hockey state in the so why is the team moving to city in texas is it that the owner is greedy self serving profiteer or were the stars really not making profit or was the city or whoever owned the arena doing some price gouging as much as like to see the nhl only hour drive from me can help but feel for the people in minnesota unless they truly didn support the team opinions please steve hunter national weather service nexrad radar group norman ok blues playoff scoring through end of norris semifinals ps name gp pts pim pp sh gw en rw brett hull craig janney jeff brown lw brendan shanahan nelson emerson rw denny felsner lw dave lowry lw basil mcrae lw kevin miller rw rich sutter bob bassen lw philippe bozon ron wilson garth butcher stephane quintal bret hedican murray baron rick zombo curtis joseph doug crossman ron sutter rw igor korolev rw kelly chase curt giles guy hebert rookie goaltending gp min ga avg en so sa save curtis joseph guy hebert team totals so shutouts sa shots against goals period period period overtime power play goals short handed goals empty net goals shots joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis wustl edu blues world championships in germany group results sweden switzerland swi manuele celio swi patrick howald swi patrick howald sven leuenberger swe peter andersson michael nylander pp swi roman waeger martin rauch sven leuenberger pp swe jonas bergqvist markus naslund swe jan larsson patrik juhlin swe mikael renberg thomas rundqvist peter andersson swi roman waeger swi felix hollenstein sven leuenberger thomas vrabec shots on goal penalties attendance referee sweden rob hearn usa switzerland switzerland beat sweden in wc for the first time since and the swiss now have small chance of reaching the quarterfinals if austria beats italy tonight the swiss took the lead after hakan ahlund made an incredibly stupid drop pass at his own blue line and celio came in alone with soderstrom and beat tommy to the stick side the swedes continued to make mistakes as howald was allowed to skate in between the swedish and put the puck past tommy to make it was nice one howald entered the swedish zone slammed on the breaks and his shot went in by tommy far post one of the lousiest periods ve seen sweden play this year second period saw new swedish team and the swiss had to ice the puck many times on pp nylander skated in from the boards pavoni made the initial save but peter andersson scored on the rebound then power play goal from the swiss slap shot from the blue line hit two players on the way to the goal and past soderstrom also jonas bergqvist made it after nice pass from naslund behind the goal jan larsson reduced the lead to just before the end of period on pp skated in unattacked in front of the goal and put the puck through pavoni hole third period sweden equalized on slap shot from renberg that trickled through pavoni hole then another defensive mistake by the swedes waeger was allowed to skate around the swedish goal unattacked and from close range could make it hollenstein then scored on on break away and put it top shelf with no chance for soderstrom switzerland goaltender reto pavoni renatio tosio defense rick tschumi martin steinegger sven leuenberger martin rauch sandro bertaggia patrick sutter samuel balmer forwards alfred luthi felix hollenstein roman waeger gil montandon roberto triulzi patrick howald christian weber andreas ton joerg eberle bruno erni thomas vrabec manuele celio russia canada can kevin dineen garry galley can paul kariya eric lindros pp can eric lindros paul kariya shayne corson rus valeri karpov penalties rus can referee anton danko czech republic attendance russia probably made their best game of the tourney but yet there wasn enough to win against the effective canadians galley took slap shot that found dineen by the far post and dineen just deflected the puck past trefilov in the russian goal then power play goal after couple of deflections eric lindros found kariya alone by the far post and kariya put the puck high over sliding trefilov russia won the shots in the first period and they had the most of the scoring opportunities but they just couldn score second period saw lindros scoring his goal of the wc kariya entered the russian zone slammed on the break to get past his defenseman then made nice pass to corson who just got the stick on the puck to deflect it to lindros who one timed the puck the russians then finally got their goal karpov broke in from the side and made slap shot in tugnutt top right hand corner player of the game in canada was voted paul kariya and for russia valeri karpov agree the difference in this game was lindros and kariya and in part also tugnutt kariya had far better game now than vs the swedes and he was very impressive kariya got the place in the line with lindros after mike gartner went out with rib injury early in the first period lindros btw lead the point scoring with pts before this game pts ahead of the next player double as much as the next player among those kariya with amazing group results finland czech republic cze petr hrbek fin mika alatalo cze jiri dolezal cze martin hostak en penalties fin cze referee vincent moreno switzerland attendance germany usa ger raimond hilger ger gerd truntschka ger ernst kopf ger michael rumrich ger benoit doucet usa derek plante ger dieter hegen usa craig johnson usa rob gaudreau penalties ger usa referee valeri bokarev russia attendance staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey nhl playoff results for conference semi finals best of seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf leads stl leads win pit leads bos chi van leads nyi tied mon tor la tied was que leads det leads cal toronto maple leafs detroit red wings leads series period det lidstrom yzerman coffey pp period det fedorov sh det yzerman coffey chiasson pp det yzerman coffey sheppard tor mironov gill gilmour period tor gilmour anderson det ysebaert kozlov det drake kozlov kennedy powerplay opportunities maple leafs of red wings of shots on goal maple leafs red wings toronto maple leafs potvin shots saves detroit red wings cheveldae shots saves att st louis blues leads series chicago blackhawks period stl hull brown janney pp stl lowry sh period none period none powerplay opportunities blues of blackhawks of shots on goal blues blackhawks st louis blues joseph shots saves chicago blackhawks belfour shots saves att los angeles kings series tied calgary flames period lak carson period cal otto roberts macinnis cal yawney dahlquist ranheim cal reichel fleury pp cal nieuwendyk roberts musil cal otto dahl sh period lak carson granato shuchuk cal reichel fleury macinnis pp cal paslawski roberts nieuwendyk cal fleury macinnis nieuwendyk pp lak rychel blake lak kurri gretzky zhitnik pp cal suter skrudland berube powerplay opportunities kings of flames of shots on goal kings flames los angeles kings hrudey shots saves calgary flames vernon shots saves att winnipeg jets vancouver canucks leads series period van ronning courtnall linden period van courtnall win domi king barnes period win numminen housley selanne pp van bure adams craven powerplay opportunities jets of canucks of shots on goal jets canucks winnipeg jets essensa shots saves vancouver canucks mclean shots saves att spike have the rules for goalies equipment changed it seems that glove has become bigger and bigger all the time and pads too and the goalies are wearing over size jerseys am dreaming if you watch old photos or films let say about ten years back think the difference is quite obvious who is an expert on this please let me know or have the goalies become bigger jarkko trouble in scoring game report deleted it bad ref ing won affect this series which should only go two more games all things being equal wrong the kings just put on an exibition of hustle team play and consistent pounding and took it back to calgary with the series tied at games each the final score was with the third goal an empty netter at of the third conacher this is not an official game report just my observations from the stands melrose made wise decision and put stauber back in goal robb had something to prove and he did in stopping of while facing fierce calgary attack there were numerous highlight film saves kings third and fourth lines rose to the occasion playing rough while avoiding bad penalties warren rychel scored the game winner early in the second period rookie defenseman alexi zhitnik scored the first from the blue line late in the first dave taylor is awesome he suffered broken nose partway through the second pariod checked from behind into the boards by roberts who got and game he came back late in the third and was on the ice when conacher scored the empty netter actually it was in the third period his return did bring spark to the crowd and to the players who played awesome defense in the third the kings go to guys still are not producing no goals from kurri granato sandstrom or robitaille who have total of points between them you forgot about gretzky if any of these guys start scoring the kings will be unstoppable if they continue the great defensive work as well mccreary sucks he called mcsorely for high sticking someone who was already on the ice and sandstrom for high sticking when he himself was already on the ice he missed many flagrant stick penalties including one from flame goalie jeff reese who followed granato out to almost the blue line where he cross checked him he called the game very inconsistently with series of ticky tack penalties in the first and almost none in the third can the nhl supply decent officiating was sitting directly across the ice from ron and nancy reagan when the empty netter was scored nancy leapt out of her seat with both fists high in the air way to go nancy this series is still too close to call tuesday game may be the deciding one expect king might put vernon back in even though reese had two good games in la reese has historically been good in la this was only the second time he lost there this move would be good for the kings since vernon is such sieve am sure that stauber will get the call for the kings stauber will be in net on tuesday hopefully he will provide another stellar performance and earn the name robb stopper stauber the firswt two lines of the kings have to wake up while it is great to see you cannot depend on pat conacher and warren rychel for all of your offense expect sandstrom granato and gretzky might be put back together on line like they were early in the season this would leave kurri carson and luc as the second on paper these two lines look powerful let see if they can make it real believe this is how they are know it is gretzky and sandstrom but he has been putting number of people on left also the carson robataille kurri line once ignited will light the fire of the other lines hopefully go kings dvb it is evident that the scoring drought is getting to luc after his slight breakaway in the third think he was steamed on the bench this emotion might help him break his streak also have noticed blake has had few really good chances to score but has fanned or shot wide is the injury still affecting him the calpoly edu om jag rst tt saken tt vi norra kiruna boden pite skellefte crif nn husum antj rn sundsvall timr stra mora vle avesta uppsala ping arvika grums tv lag fr stra kvalserien vilka arlanda sby vallentuna ker danderyd by aik hammarby dert lje lje huddinge nyk ping roma vita sten lndal bor stervik hanhals troja ljungby rrum pantern tv lag fr dra kvalserien det rsta det principiellt fel att man har ndrat premisserna uppflyttning efterhand det andra kan man ju undra varf just och stervik skall en fri sl ng ja fallet det solklart en fix ovan mnda problem med norrgruppen men stervik det nne att nyk ping skall slippa spela der vilket de klagat ver vad tror ni man ger exempelvis tierp som kom stra kvalet kommentarer att man skulle bli tvyngen att ndra premisserna kunde man inte lista ut rhand huvudsak att man inte flyttar ner fel lag var en solklar fix som sagt men stervik att det beror nyk ping tror jag inte man kunde ju lika rna flytta ner roma till dra iaf om man efter bredgraderna mest ttvist vore att ta tierp och stervik ra upp men skulle roma nyk pinks vara eller inte vara stra ocks avg ras vad skulle de ga om det det st rsta felet med rets indelning exakt samma som rra ret fast rre det inte tvist indelat sportligt sett vallentuna var en match fr att upp till allsvenskan rra ret ist llet gick vle upp tror ni av dem lyckas lika bra aik hif ssk och hik ska sl ss om tv platser om man hadde placerat dessa var sin division skulle de vara sj lvklara favoriter till en plats allsvenskan men nu ste tv ge vika var finns ttvisan det jag har rt att hik har mnat in en protest till rbundet ang ende indelningen stra mitt rslag vore att ta orna varje division kvalspela om tv platser allsvenskan och efter jul skulle man kunna sl ihop de fyra divisionerna till tv en der och en norr tt bestraffas inte ett lag som kommer fr en trakt det finns nga bra lag en kul grej som jag nskar att man inf rde att ta vinnaren allsvenskan spela sm slutspelet det skulle bli en extra krydda till division ett ishockeyn om lagen nde att de var inom ckh ll till sm bucklan det skulle kanske sikt ocks kunna minska skillnaderna mellan lag elitserien och division ett vad js anders engwall email anders ericsson se ellemtel utvecklings ab voice sweden fax dom som brygger puns ock ger pyanlektionor marek marek ericsson se man skall inte anv nda fr mmande ericsson telecom ab ord om man har en adekvat inhemsk system design division vokabul disponibel sweden gunnar emanuel str ng gur pbbxvr jnf va fjrqvfu vg jbag uryc jvgu ebg not even going to bother to reply to your ranting post the letter is addressed to gary bettman not you he can reply as he wishes not so your post is addressed to all quote as she said the letter is addressed to bettman the post which though having pretty much the same content is an entirely different entity was addressed to all when she puts the letter in the mail doubt it will say to all figure she wanted to let people here see what was in it since it is topic that interests lot of folks here that an entirely different purpose than sending the letter to bettman unfortunately and guess let you know didn you do not represent large body of hockey fans by any standard you care to use to define large people constitutes nothing more than tiny group of fanatics and is in no way representative of large body of hockey fans on the internet let alone of one of the largest computer networks in the world the largest computer networks in the world phrase is definition of the internet not group as whole that she claims to represent as for the business of whether or not it is large it is large compared to say the number of folks on who are sending letter to thank him for changing the names at least to this point and just for my own curiosity thought look up the official definition of large in the dictionary it reads large having more than usual power capacity or scope exceeding most other things of like kind in quantity or size now have no idea how many letters bettman may have gotten on the issue or how many people may have signed them people may be up there thereby validating definition would also wager that the geographical range of signatures is quite large which would give it large scope he might be impressed by the size of the list of names why would he be impressed with this unless it were large am of course assuming that you actually agree with what you are writing and are not simply trying to be pain about the whole issue to hear yourself speak personally don know whether or not agree with the letter have very mixed emotions about it like the names as they are and don think they make it that difficult to learn the game but there might be shred of validity to the change paul francisco in the shadow an angel cries com front line assembly again assume this is not just flame bait by roger but actually truly held opinion would say that the letter clearly implies representation of the views of group that belong to and don share those views and don believe that the majority of posters on hockey share those views and so have no intention of allowing them to simply go ahead without making my feelings on the subject clear thanks for speaking for all those who didn feel it was important enough to say something themselves wouldn say that the letter clearly implies representation of the views of group that you belong to it represents subset that you don belong to of larger group which you do if only because this isn moderated group look there are several ways to state an opposing viewpoint three that come to mind are as follows say it subtly result it may not be clear say it directly yet politely result probably it will spark some interesting conversation say it directly and obnoxiously result validity goes right out the window would agree that unwarranted use of said term is entirely immature you realize that anything you say can and most certainly will be used against you paul francisco in the shadow an angel cries com front line assembly haven seen any mention of ogrodnick yet in the box scores does anyone know if he playing mike he been out but he isn injured he played well when he was put into the lineup at the end of the season murray has to sit somebody out though if the red wings hadn played as well as they did in the first game he may have been in the second why should murray juggle players when the wings are dominating toronto like they are wood played most of his junior career in seattle he was one of the leading scorers on mediocre team when he was traded away in he rarely lost fight and was one of the toughest players in the whl wood is fairly small for an enforcer type mean fleury does pretty good job and isn that large but dody is no fleury and fleury is no enforcer an agitator for sure but fleury never has and never will have fight which seems to be what you re saying wood is the closest fleury ever came to fighting was game two years ago against los angeles there was scrum and mcsorley pinched fleury head under his arm fleury dropped his gloves and gave mcsorley weak shot to the side of the head mcsorely knowing good thing when he saw one popped fleury one right between the eyes end of fight fleury got ten stitches for his trouble the only player can ever see theo fighting is cliff ronning and even then he be giving up two inches and pounds alan don think the sharks should dig into the free agent market most of the good free agents will require quite bit of compensation and set the sharks back as far as player development goes remember the sharks were unwilling to give up player in addition to the million they offered for joe murphy and think that good approach they tried to sign sergei makarov before this season because makarov wouldn have required compensation matching the makarov offer was the only real mistake dave king has made this year have to wonder about the intelligence of signing year old who is obviously on the downside of his career to year million contract risebrough matched the offer on king request and makarov has spent the last quarter of the season in the press box because his work ethic just plain stinks not to mention that he lost step and can no longer get himself into position to make the nifty passes think makarov will be available for free this offseason to anybody who agrees to pay his contract he ineffective in calgary but he might be able to help team like san jose with their shortage of talent if there no takers and makarov doesn show improvement in training camp think the flames will just bite the bullet and buy out makarov contract and release him with his current attitude he is detriment to the team alan when you think of the nhl who comes to mind gilmour gretzky mario ah did mention mario if you said gretzky you haven really been following along have you if you said gilmour you are true maynard don even think the selection of the hart deserves serious discussion on this group it is no brainer while agree that lemieux deserves the hart it is far from no brainer the hart trophy goes to the player most valuable to his team not to the best player in the league so your above arguement is really worthless the pens without mario are still damn good hockey team the leafs without gilmour would have been fighting tampa bay for the pick like said mario deserves it imho but it is very close race and gilmour victory would not surprise me dislike doug gilmour with passion but must concede that he is extremely valuable to the leafs alan acquired marcus thuresson from islanders for rw brian mullen grade it is not known yet what the impact overall of this trade would be as thuresson is not yet under contract to the sharks and does not appear to be ready to become so anytime soon mullen meanwhile has had productive somewhat season with the islanders thuresson however does not appear to be big scorer at all if my memory is right he had just points in just games in the swedish elite league in this season didn notice his name frequently at all in staffan reports and he didn make the national team either it does not appear to be good sign marcus thuresson had goals assists points and pim in games this season for leksand in the swedish elite league this was only in point scoring for leksand marcus born may ht cm wt kg is relatively young so he might still start producing but think the sharks may have done bad trade here staffan staffan axelsson ericsson se contact for swedish hockey like many others too was watching the caps isles game when the went to the baseball game too was pissed how could they interupt such an important game understand about contracts but you would think they would have clause in the contract concerning important games anyway us blues and hawks fans got shafted worse while everyone in the and watched the game on abc however those of us who live in the central illinois area were subjected to watching the arthritus telethon the area that was most affected by the telecast did not get to see the game except through hawk vision this game had it been televised would have been the first home hawks game shown in the area since this television bull has got to stop we are not only being deprived of seeing games due to skyrocketing ticket prices but we are also being deprived of watching them on tv peace hammer familiar with the telethon situation an individual on compuserve was also victimized and was equally pissed that was local television station contract which could not be broken for that item strongly suggest you call that affiliate and vent your anger on them supposedly one station had told my friend that they have received hundreds of angry calls which will translate into far less incentive to pre empt hockey telecasts in future the contract was written when the pathetic wlaf was in that time slot tom galvin cs nps navy mil okay here some gripe ing griping whatever live in santa barbara for reference think okay abc showed the kings flames fine yawn espn through fortunate rainout of baseball game showed the red wings toronto game cool but swear that the advertisements all week long had said that espn would show pitt nj on tuesday and bos buff on thursday raced home from work early pacific to catch the game but alas it was the boston buffalo game and then they promised that they would show the pitt nj game on thursday overnight they changed their mind rest deleted espn never committed and never saw advertised to particular thursday game they had originally scheduled bos buf and that was somehow leaked on this net but to my knowledge espn never publicly released schedule until monday when they announced pitt nj thursday and boston buffalo saturday tom galvin cs nps navy mil the thing that confuses me most about espn is that they decided to show the penguins and devils again on thursday night being that both of the first two games were dominated by pitt you would think that they would show different game this is in addition to the fact that they should show other games just for the sake of fair exposure nesn owns the rights to bruin telecasts suspect that nesn was only going to sell one telecast to espn remember espn only owns exclusive rights to the finals not the entire playoffs since espn bought the sca contract there are less wrangles to untie with showing the devils and penguins also some of you should know that as far as can tell espn is not going to show campbell conference games regularly in the first two rounds believe that they are only going to show campbell games in the first two rounds as those series wear on games or perhaps games think the same broadcast rights factor comes into it plus they have no way of fitting western game times into their current schedule unless the nhl was willing to make western club move up their game think the nhl got as much as it could when it shuffled the deck for abc also does anyone have info on abc coverage for this sunday same exact coverage as last week pit nj game in the east chi stl in the central la cgy in the mountains and west robert andolina umn edu tom galvin cs nps navy mil vincent damphousse has decided to take vacation apparently have my respect for the power of the hockey gods is preventing me from commenting on the above and for commenting on whether the guy damphousse was traded for is on vacation or not perhaps roger demonstrably in contempt of the hockey gods and paying for it dares comment or two mike eisler sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh their players are mighty bright too mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey bruins have never come back to win after falling behind in their entire year history which doesn mean much since the statistics are mostly based on the game playoff format but yes it looks dark for the what disappointment still think the problem is mental they needed the saves blue came up with perhaps he can offer something to mentally rally around who do you think gets the start in game three hope it is going to be blue if the team can rally around him maybe moog can too jan brittenson ai mit edu really impressed with bowman coaching tactics he had an answer for every move that brooks has thrown at the pens susan dart such as jake flames final score calgary things are back to where they belong gretzky didn play kelly hrudey is his old self again let hope the flames put the old timers away asap vlad the impaler yes these last couple of months the kinngs have failed to show up in about one game in five presumably last night was that one game in five jon of course ferreira had also traded number of veterans with marginal contributions before he was fired so it not clear that this would have been different besides they were marginal contributors let also not forget that ferreira came this close to trading kelly kisio which if the rumors ve heard are true was over the strong objections of other aspects of shark management and probably had lot to do with both his ouster and the three headed consensus oriented gm imagine for second where the sharks would be today if that fax machine hadn jammed on the other hand hard pressed to think of any other real mistakes fereirra made imagine indeed but then again we have the benefit of hindsight let say that in the view of the sharks upper management the attempt to trade kisio was major factor in the decision to fire feirerra inclined to take exactly the opposite view they should have kept him he obviously the luckiest man in hockey wonder what sacrifice he made to the muse of fax his job guess have fun gak richard stueven aha he has erected multitude of new internet com go offices and sent hither swarms attmail attmail gakhaus gak sharx of officers to harass our people cow palace and eat out their substance in article csd unb ca patrick walker ca wrote who should get the hart gretzky not in million years at least not this year he hasn played all year yzerman though it would be nice don think he ll get it he consistent but not well known thought he should be mario jesus no it bad enough for me just to utter the word without being extremely sick and pissed off they guy luber think he should become stuntman after he retires jeez he ha enough expericene falling down oope stick didn come anywhe re near me gotta fall got to get penalty against the other team it the annual whine thon with today host jerry lewis by the way am canadian play little and watched hockey night in canada never missed show not one of these well my home team is in the finals and was hockey fan for ten minutes now give me king break with this mario is the best player ever what did gretzky die wish bobby clarke and the broadstreet bullies were still around they know what to do with whouse like mario they bounce him around like the puck not that condone violence but ll make an exception for mario but if mario is going to complain about being hit someone should give him and scotty something real to complain about sorry to ramble as you can see hate mario pat walker unb you along with mario lemieux must be from another planet the only difference is that lemieux comes from the one with geo washington abe lincoln and many other great men and women of this world whereas you come from the one with david koresh yeah mario is good at drawing penalties but wouldn you try do something you do claim to play to give your team an advantage don remember lemieux getting any diving penalties this year whereas many others did finally mario has never complained about being hit he knows it part of the game he gets back by dishing out an even bigger hit to the same guy or just scoring few goals or setting them up don you have any compassion for man who has gone through so much in his life george am in need of all of the players wearing in the nhl know now only of one ray borque for the bruins any help would be greatly appreciated thanx the logistician reigns supreme go blue go tigers go pistons go lions go red wings wpi edu pierre turgeon of nyi and paul coffey of detorit are both hope this help anson that not inner calm it boredom and it being spoiled the arena been as quiet as church on many nights this year too many of us just take winning for granted it been seemingly forever since the team lost and we ve forgotten what it like to feel real excitement and surprise at victory don really agree with this but it is an entirely different high at any rate the first cup the pens won didn think about anything else just watched mario and all skate the thing around the ice now it seems to be more of question whether or not thirty years from now young hockey fans may there be millions will still ask us what it was like to watch this team that what they are playing for now but was still as nervous as ever when the devils were blasting shots at barrasso in the final seconds of game three so the fun is far from over yet not bored either most people know say that winning the second cup was better than the first but to me nothing will ever top that first one but every bit as excited this year and am experiencing that inner calm to which susan originally referred inner calm is not boredom as far as the arena in general being boring well richard got that right it been that way all season attribute it to lot of new fans who just don have the same spirit and knowledge as long time fans at last tuesday game overheard man express surprise that goaltender can get an assist anyone who follows sports with regularity knows that anything can happen at any time confident in the pens but also not stupid enough to think for one minute that it impossible for new jersey to blow them out of this series doubt that will happen but it possible bored uh uh spoiled not in the least forgot what excitement is like living through that amazing streak wasn exciting don take darned thing for granted god look at chicago and see no problem with quietly savoring all of this anyway it isn gonna last forever and intend to enjoy it while can mom here are the nhl alltime leaders in goals and points at the end of the season again much thanks to joseph achkar carl notes an active player is player that has scored at least one point the past season the points leaders follow the goal leaders if you find any mistakes please send me email all time nhl leading goal scorers denotes active player gordie howe det hfd wayne gretzky edm la marcel dionne det la nyr phil esposito chi bos nyr bobby hull chi wpg hfd mike gartner wsh min nyr mike bossy nyi guy lafleur mtl nyr que johnny bucyk det bos maurice richard mtl stan mikita chi frank mahovlich tor det mtl michel goulet que chi jari kurri edm la bryan trottier nyi pit gilbert perreault buf jean beliveau mtl lanny mcdonald tor col cgy jean ratelle nyr bos norm ullman det tor dino ciccarelli min wsh det darryl sittler tor phi det mario lemieux pit glenn anderson edm tor alex delvecchio det mark messier edm nyr dale hawerchuk wpg buf rick middleton nyr bos steve yzerman det peter stastny que nj rick vaive van tor chi buf joe mullen stl cgy pit yvan cournoyer mtl dave taylor la steve shutt mtl la denis savard chi mtl bill barber phi brian propp phi bos min gary unger tor det stl atl la edm rod gilbert nyr steve larmer chi john ogrodnick det que nyr other active players bernie nicholls la nyr edm nj pat lafontaine nyi buf brian bellows min mtl dave andreychuk buf tor tim kerr phi nyr hfd bobby smith min mtl brett hull cgy stl luc robitaille la mike foligno det buf tor dave christian wpg wsh bos stl chi paul coffey edm pit la det brent sutter nyi chi pat verbeek nj hfd ron francis hfd pit cam neely van bos ray bourque bos bob carpenter wsh nyr la bos tor brent ashton van col nj min que det wpg bos cgy doug gilmour stl cgy tor rick tocchet phi pit kevin dineen hfd phi tomas sandstrom nyr la dale hunter que wsh ryan walter wsh mtl van brian mullen wpg nyr sj nyi ed olczyk chi tor wpg nyr kirk muller nj mtl joe nieuwendyk cgy jimmy carson la edm det all time nhl scoring leaders denotes active player wayne gretzky edm la gordie howe det hfd marcel dionne det la nyr phil esposito chi bos nyr stan mikita chi bryan trottier nyi pit johnny bucyk det bos guy lafleur mtl nyr que gilbert perreault buf alex delvecchio det jean ratelle nyr bos mark messier edm nyr norm ullman det tor peter stastny que nj jean beliveau mtl dale hawerchuk wpg buf bobby clarke phi paul coffey edm pit la det denis savard chi mtl jari kurri edm la mario lemieux pit bobby hull chi wpg hfd bernie federko stl mike bossy nyi michel goulet que chi darryl sittler tor phi det mike gartner wsh min nyr frank mahovlich tor det mtl ray bourque bos dave taylor la denis potvin nyi henri richard mtl steve yzerman det bobby smith min mtl rod gilbert nyr glenn anderson edm tor lanny mcdonald tor col cgy rick middleton nyr bos dave keon tor hfd ron francis hfd pit bernie nicholls la nyr edm nj brian propp phi bos min andy bathgate nyr tor det pit maurice richard mtl larry robinson mtl la dino ciccarelli min wsh det steve larmer chi joe mullen stl cgy pit bobby orr bos chi brad park nyr bos det butch goring la nyi bos bill barber phi dennis maruk cal cle wsh min ivan boldirev bos cal chi atl van det yvan cournoyer mtl dean prentice nyr bos det pit min ted lindsay det chi tom lysiak atl chi dale hunter que wsh john tonelli nyi cgy la chi que jacques lemaire mtl larry murphy la wsh min pit john ogrodnick det que nyr doug wilson chi sj doug gilmour stl cgy tor red kelly det tor pierre larouche pit mtl hfd nyr bernie geoffrion mtl nyr steve shutt mtl la phil housley buf wpg wilf paiment kc col tor que nyr buf pit peter mcnab buf bos van nj brian bellows min mtl dave andreychuk buf tor pit martin det bos chi van pat lafontaine nyi buf ken linesman phi edm bos gary unger tor det stl atl la edm ken hodge sr chi bos nyr neal broten min wayne cashman bos rick vaive van tor chi buf borje salming tor det jean pronovost pit atl wsh peter mahovlich det mtl pit dave christian wpg wsh bos stl chi rick kehoe tor pit rick macleish phi hfd pit det thomas steen wpg other active players al macinnis cgy luc robitaille la mike foligno det buf tor brent sutter nyi chi mark howe hfd phi det kirk muller nj mtl tim kerr phi nyr hfd adam oates det stl bos randy carlyle tor pit wpg ryan walter wsh mtl van pat verbeek nj hfd brent ashton van col nj min que det wpg bos cgy bob carpenter wsh nyr la bos tor brian mullen wpg nyr sj nyi ed olczyk chi tor wpg nyr kelly kisio det nyr sj brett hull cgy stl rick tocchet phi pit dan quinn cgy pit van stl phi min scott stevens wsh stl nj tomas sandstrom nyr la tom fergus bos tor van dave babych wpg hfd van mike ridley nyr wsh laurie boschman tor edm wpg nj ott keith acton mtl min edm phi murray craven det phi hfd kevin dineen hfd phi rob ramage col stl cgy tor min tb mike krushelnyski bos edm la tor gary suter cgy pierre turgeon buf nyi troy murray chi wpg cam neely van bos geoff courtnall bos edm wsh stl van vincent damphousse tor edm mtl jimmy carson la edm det peter zezel phi stl wsh tor guy carbonneau mtl mark osborne det nyr tor wpg chris chelios mtl chi dave poulin phi bos ray ferraro hfd nyi russ courtnall tor mtl min joe nieuwendyk cgy john maclean nj they could put on quebec montreal game talk bout areivalry opps rivalry roland roland as for the picks ottawa picks which means it is almost that alexander daigle will go he ll either stay or be traded in montreal or quebec dunno about hat have friends up there on genie who are now saying that ottawa gone soft on daigle and is thinking hard about pronger daigle has shown an attitude the latter part of this season many folks havne liked and after coming back from his second multi game suspension for being stupid he really tanked in his performance his stock is dropping like rock also remember that lot of teh draft stuff comes from the assumption he ll be traded to quebec for lots of prospects it not clear that quebec would really be willing to pay lot for him given his current status he still first round but don consider him first pick lock by any means at this point it also possible that the senators are posturing to try to bring down his signing price since daigle has been taking some lindros lessons during thos suspensions imo would take kariya he should alot of leadership in the ncaa and so far in the world championships daigle didn show this for his junior team san jose will then get kariya no kariya won go in the first three for very simple reason he not leaving college and don believe any of the expansion teams are going to use first for someone who won be around for another year or two not when there is equally good or almost as good stuff available that can make an immediate impact san jose seems to be leaning heavily towards niedermayer for that reason kariya could go or unless team can convince him to leave school early which doubt my cut on things as they stand today draft order ottawa daigle if not pronger san jose niedermayer unless ottawa skips daigle then it open it depends on if the sharks can get deal for him don believe they draft him to keep him tampa bay whoever ottawa doesn take or maybe koslov chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors apple com san jose giants san francisco giants fans giants apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks apple com new seat tbd gaetz may or may not be back next year but in either event the sharks have to pick up others gaetz won be back there been rumors he was officially released right at the end of the season when his contract expired but haven seen confirmation it was clear from my talks with the sharks doctors that he wasn going to make it for while and the sharks would have to sign him to contract which given his problems competing at the ihl level this spring doesn make sense chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors apple com san jose giants san francisco giants fans giants apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks apple com new seat tbd come on boston where the hell are you seven wins in row and what choke ah well another brian sutter team is ground into the dirt with intensity during the regular season and then is burned out by playoff time yah fuhr has been awesome so far but really you think sutter would have learned his lesson about pushing his team too far during the regular season stuart esrock bowling green state how bout them blues is it just me or is the camera work on some of these games really sad can remember how many times during the penguins devils game they showed some guy without the puck being checked in the corner while the puck was being fired on goal in fact think they even missed one goal completely because they were showing two guys holding each other in the corner now the last time watched football game they didn show the lineman going at it while the running back turned the corner for touchdown is it just me greg espn has been trying various things to get away from the follow the puck concept of televising hockey games one of the main problems with hockey is that it is very difficult to show everything that is going on more happens away from the puck than in any other sport except maybe football and they can do iso on football players to be shown between plays the problem of course is that sometimes you get something worthwhile other times you get burned tom galvin cs nps navy mil one last point darryl sutter is getting badly out coached by bob berry the madder darryl gets the more he reminds me of brian the hawks are quickly loosing thier focus don think the blues will win in but you never know not to sutter bash or anything since idolized them as players you sure would think the sutters would learn something about burning out their teams in the regular season just too much intensity during the regular season earlier posted note about brian and got to thinking after read this item gee both sutters won their divisions and now both have lost home ice advantage and are getting smoked in their opening series in the playoffs kind of makes you wonder bottom line man it is great to be smoking the warthawks agreed jim this has been damn sweet so far about the only thing that comes close to this is shutting up all the maple laugh fans detroit has completely kicked their asses so far but will stick with the blues for providing the best playoff tonic so far stuart esrock bowling green state go you blues with the recent demise of the chicago blawkhawks much to my delight noticed their game playoff losing streak to the pens last year and now to the blues and am wondering what the nhl record for consecutive losses is if there even is one pretty sure that the hawks have at least game losing streak since they ve had to have lost series since their last championship whenever that was basically need something else to rag on my hawks fan friend with mike the insomniaced yes rush marillion emerson lake and palmer genesis dream theater mike weintraub aka jvi on irc sig quote du jour edu life is like scissors paper cerf net stone game none of the answers the american university is always right but sometimes washington dc each one is neil peart rush go philadelphia phillies and vancouver canucks down to go in article csd unb ca patrick walker who should get the hart gretzky not in million years at least not this year he hasn played all year yzerman though it would be nice don think he ll get it he consistent but not well known thought he should be mario jesus no it bad enough for me just to utter the word without being extremely sick and pissed off they guy luber to ramble as you can see hate mario pat walker unb not going to bother reprinting your pathetic excuse for post mario fan or not you have to respect what he can do with blade as for the hart trophy guess winning the scoring title after being out twenty four days with cancer then leading his team to the presidents trophy and breaking the win streak record in the process shouldn even qualify him for the award maybe next year he ll tend few games when barrasso needs rest be realistic mario has earned every one of his accolades and deserves all the attention that he gets lose the jealous attitude and you may start enjoying hockey at its finest maze have belfour and roenick done another disappearing act at chips are down time when saw them it looked like the blackhawks defense might carry them along way in the playoffs well they held st louis to shots in game and lost looks like maybe keenan had has some insight to me for one am happy about the ranger hiring of keenan it too bad that they didn hire him when smith fired nielsen maybe he could of staightened out the babies on this team and made the playoffs what this team needs is little fire under their butts reading through most of these hockey news don see many ranger fans writing new to this system and big hockey fan and long suffering ranger fan but remember suffering builds character have some final questions about the way the team was handled in that last dreadful stretch knowing they needed offensive help from the blueline why didn we see mike hurlbut who played pretty well when he was called up when leetch first went down why is joe kocur playing every night he is not bob probert who is tough but also can play how come paul broten is relegated to street clothes for the end of the season at least he plays with some heart and character draws penalties and plays when he on the ice was he in the doghouse for some reason joe cirella enough said ranger fans may be suffering but we re some of the most loyal unlike islander fans who only show up when the team wins as far as the stanley cup goes think there only one team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit this would be the most entertaining and hard fought series mario is amazing kurt think joe kocus should play every night he is big physical guy and he gets the fans into the game with some big hits both checks and fists its big advantage to get the crowd going plus he helps protect the other players notice there are very few fights when kocur is on the ice unless he is it have seen people start to go after essa tikkanen only to go slinking away when kocur steps in think he is big asset but should be third line and special situation only play this is fast becoming game without the goons admit kocur may get the fans into the game but surely they would rather see broten taking pass from kovalev and scoring breakaway goal to put the rangers up magic goals in the third period rather than seeing kocur take another stupid penalty and the rangers giving up another powerplay goal the rangers need another top flight center who can take the pressure off messier and the first line nemchinov is perfect third line center so who goes beezer or richter kurt does anyone know if msg will televise any of the binghampton rangers playoff games even taped replays would be nice rumor has it here in pittsburgh that there is going to be penguins broadcasting change before next season according to the rumor the kbl leadership the company the broadcasts the pen games wants to limit loved broadcaster mike lange to radio only and hire don cherry as his broadcast partner this would mean paul stiegerwald would be fired good riddance does anyone know anything about this lange is fun broadcaster to listen to and pens games wouldn be the same without him also hear cherry doesn have high opinions of lemieux ulf sammuelsson or jaromir jagr how is he supposed to broadcast their games believe that the large number of digits on his paycheck and it would not be binary would help don to be fan of ulf jaro and mario nate peters lifetime penguins fan even from before they were the best kevin stamber purdue university top reasons the pittsburgh penguins won the patrick division strong desire to get the cup back to your neighborhood eat park where there always something special cooking personally expecting moog blue played fairly decent alright spectacular at times in his game but moog has the experience what did blue have going for him nothing what would happen in tie game the prssure is then on the goal tender to insure that you keep the puck out at the very least until your team scores blue didn face that kind of pressure on tuesday the bruins will come out storming that is for sure really think that this series is up to buffalo boston except for two bad passes in game one really hasn played that bad as believer is statistics you know that your going to get the puck by fuhr sooner or later just keep shooting there game plan is sound but they need to take the lead first and control the tempo imho pat ellis go bruins go umaine black bears number hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya hobey baker award winner ncaa div hockey tournament champions ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee the probability is that the oilers are not going anywhere gerald look at what happened to the stars they are off to dallas pocklington has chosen this moment to make his last stand is because he is at the moment of maximum advantage the provincial government is months away from provincial election it is the moment when he has maximum power to convince northlands to give him better arena deal or better purchase price and it is before the nhl new collective agreement with the players which might involve some enhanced revenue sharing gerald the alberta election is slated fou june unless something re ally goes wrong this time pocklington could end up being the embarassment of klein if he goes ahead with his ultimatum pocklington is many things stupid is not one of them gerald people still have an axe to grind with this guy cannot see him staying for long he can dictate terms because other cities will pay his price if edmonton doesn but the people in edmonton won budge trust me on this one edmonton has already up its international airport and surrendered supremacy to calgary and over the next few years edmonton is going to take hard hit from government cutbacks it will screw itself beyond recogniton if it manages to find way to lose its hockey team too because northlands wants to continue to use the oilers to subsidize horse racing northlands won budge ccording to one of the board members bruce campbell however in this case about the long term financial viability of the oilers the fact is that pocklington is basically right regardless of who owns the team and it is right to provoke the crisis now before the team accumulates millions of dollars in losses or becomes habitually uncompetitive because of lack of money haven heard anything but attendance at the coliseum was the lowest this year hint hint remeber what said about personal vendetta sather has done his job the oilers are poised to be competitive again very soon al strachan one of the most knowledgeble hockey writers in canada in post mortem of the oilers season in the globe and mail recently agrees with me gerald don blame sather this battle between the peole and pocklington started in and got worst when pocklington sold gretzky there were days when you can shake the hand of pocklington when he was respectalbe use to do so in season but those days are goe gerald btw when following up please delete name of posting writer dave shariff yadallee sc econ math of alberta cs ualberta ca god save the queen god bless us all remember jesus saves lives from eternal damnation newfoundland keep good old clyde vote liberal once again the leafs overcame the red wings in what was possibly the most exciting game played yet in this playoff year potvin was solid and wendel completely dominated probert gilmour as usual was the best player on the ice and to those who claim that andreychuk fades in the playoffs please take note andreychuk is averaging goal game stars andreychuk goals wendel all over probert probert all over everyone else todd gill also played an excellent game we can say enough about doug gilmour when he is right all is well gilmour brings to mind davey keon from the previous leaf dynasty predictions so far on track nyi over buffalo and leafs over la kings leafs over nyi in the final can let this pass if the islanders get past pitts assuming the isles beat the caps god willing them sorry the isles will crush the leafs flame shields up of course no one asked me always interject my opinions on matters have no concern over go islanders down to go go jets for cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time coaching news vasili tichonov ex assat to san jose sharks wow so that probably the reason why current assistant coach drew ramenda hinted that he won be back thanks for the news mikko can you or any of our finnish netters comment on tichonov the first time heard this piece of news was on the post game radio interview here in jyvaskyla that was the bronze medal game in the sm liiga which tichonov team porin assat the aces of town pori lost vasili the son of victor tichonov the famous soviet coach said that for long time the sharks have been persuading him to take the assistant coach post but he wants to be the head coach where ever he goes he definitely won be coaching assat anymore after three seasons don know why vasili is good coach believe assat was good team produced many players to our national team assat wasn skilled team imho but they had the fighting spirit after all they butchered jokerit in the playoffs and gave hard time to tps the champs but assat wasn consistent only when they were in the right mood they could beat any team in the sm liiga am not sure about the deal with the sharks as said he wants to be the head coach but he and the sharks are going to negotiate and decide during the wc doubt that he will be the head coach but maybe they ll do some compromise could somebody post more information about vasili know he was coaching in the former soviet league teams results his character as coach in article corp sgi com esd sgi com ed nolan says if the islanders beat the devils tonight they would finish with identical records who the lucky team that gets to face the penguins in the opening round also can somebody list the rules for breaking ties as recall the penguins and devils tied for third place last year with identical records as well poor devils they always get screwed yet they should put scare into pittsburgh they always do pens in robbie po pgh penguins it won be easy but it contact for the stanley cup will have greater rewards penn state lady lions champions mountains and valleys are psu edu straight wins better than nothing at all in article business uwo ca business uwo ca stephen lawrence says goodbye minnesota you never earned the right to have an nhl franchise in the first place hope you enjoy your twin city wide mania for high school hockey hey by the way my old pee wee team is having reunion in regina care to come up and film the event yee haa golden gophers whatta weird town minnesota definitely deserves an nhl franchise you ll see the minnesota whalers pretty soon so fear not minnesota fans no norm green cept for the team color sorry bad pun what difference two years makes minnesota finished in and made the finals they finish with better record at thi year and move to dallas every team in the playoffs has winning record finally it about time nhl robbie po pgh penguins it won be easy but it contact for the stanley cup will have greater rewards penn state lady lions champions mountains and valleys are psu edu straight wins better than nothing at all from matthew rush but he starting to push it over the edge imho of course holik chop to barrasso neck wasn too sportsmanlike either it seems that he was following the the only way to beat the penguins is to injure them philosophy it pretty obvious that holik hitting barrasso was an accident he was even apologizing for it immediately before the penguins all jumped on him ralph in article upenn edu sas upenn edu luke decock wrote the only player the hawks have lost because they screwed up is peluso the hapless blues lost stevens and gave away oates okay so the blues won this you must be kidding right in losing stevens the blues got shanahan and kept joseph then they traded oates for janney as hawks fan you have got to respect those hapless names lets see who scored the game winning overtime goal in the game luke decock sas upenn eu david howarth sbc com southwestern bell technology resources inc advanced technology laboratory pine rm st louis mo many people have suggested that fuhr play is the only reason that the sabres beat the bruins while fuhr was critical factor would not overlook the fact that the sabres finally got some scoring from people other than mogilny and lafontaine khmylev sweeney hawerchuck etc indeed lafontaine played hurt and didn score many goals also the team played better defense although not great than in the regular season fuhr deserves lot of credit but not all of it robert agree with this also think fuhr contribution for sabres win is just the same as many palyers in the team mogilny had six goals in four games including two goals for the great comeback in the final win after fuhr had left the key for sabres win over boston is whole team strong commitment as an underdog and all their talent players including mogilny and fuhr think that grant fuhr deserves more credit than that while it true that the entire sabres team played very well still believe that if it wasn for grant fuhr the series would now be tied he virtually stole games and for the sabres in both of these games fuhr stood on his head to give the sabres the chance to win especially in game fuhr made series of huge stops in the third period when the score was tied even in game when the sabres won the score seemed to indicate that the sabres dominated however if it hadn been for fuhr the sabres wouldn have been up think it was through the period and the bruins wouldn have had to open up the game thereby allowing mogilny to score the third goal on breakaway to salt away the game there is no doubt in my mind that fuhr was the critical factor in the victory in my opinion neely oates and juneau played as well as lafontaine mogilny and hawerchuk the sabres did get extraordinary efforts from hannan sweeney wood and khmylev compared to that of the bruins checkers however the bruins defense imo played better than the sabres defense the sabres have ken sutton playing regular shift afterall the difference in the series was fuhr who outplayed andy moog gary go sabres hockey fan from way back and maintain an interest as best can here in the hockey hinterlands oklahoma hoping can get reading from some of you about the move of the north stars to dallas ve been under the impression that minnesota was one of or possibly the hockey state in the so why is the team moving to city in texas is it that the owner is greedy self serving profiteer or were the stars really not making profit or was the city or whoever owned the arena doing some price gouging opinions please well as hockey fan think it terrible it one thing to say hey let give hockey team to cities that don have one that fine it entirely another to say okay let take team from thriving hockey town and move it of course none of us will ever know the real inside story but from what know group of minneapolis businessmen told green repeatedly that they would purchase the remaining season tickets to get to the level that green wanted yet he refused every time it pretty obvious that he was determined to get out of minneapolis at any cost and use the season tickets thing as an excuse was fortunate enough to get to the penultimate game and the fans were great people were tailgating and playing roller hockey in the parking lot before the game the attendance was so full as to have sro and the whole atmosphere in the centre was terrific minnesota is hockey usa how the nhl can so blithely let the major league team from there move away is beyond me only hope they get new team soon just my ali ali procrastination lemer gave nhl commissioner gary bettman puck columbia university nyc once he 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moffat victoria canada as guess hamilton would be put into the midwest with either winnipeg or dallas moving to the pacific bill com ve been under the impression that minnesota was one of or possibly the hockey state in the so why is the team moving to city in texas is it that the owner is greedy self serving profiteer or were the stars really not making profit or was the city or whoever owned the arena doing some price gouging norman green claims that he has lost money over the last three years that he has owned the team when he bought the team it seemed kind of obvious that he was going to have to deal with few years in the red before the team started making profit again he gave the impression that he was willing to do so he claimed two years ago that the team needed to average only fans per game in order to pull profit but this season the team averaged fans despite increasd ticket prices think the team attendence and play was clearly in an upward trend which leaves me dumbfounded as to how he could ignore that in deciding to move he was even offered the many concessions he rudely demanded such as guaranteed season ticket sales cheap rent at the other two arenas in town etc oh well guess the bottom line is green wanted immediate huge returns in dallas and wasn willing to wait another year or so in mn dallas gave green pretty stellar deal to play there although feel minnesota was quite reasonable and he also has some cronies down there as well all this means is that minnesota is without an nhl team for year or two too bad for the nhl kea read this all you canucks fan out there winnipeg are going to kick vancouvers butts so badly they are not going to be able to sit down for weeks and no this is not joke prediction before the fourth game in winnipeg winnipeg vancouver selanne steen score couple of goals each winnipeg to win stanley cup playoffs to all you jets fanatics ha ha ha to normal jets fans it was pretty good fourth game more physical play than ve seen in the first three games these moronic posts that have continued throughout the year about how the jets will cremeate the canucks and selanne will smash bure into the boards is so full of it why don you take cue fromm daryl and just wait till its over before you make more of fool of yourself not going to predict anything about the canucks they are up and are coming back home but not going swing any it around until the series is wrapped up tony bravo tony too am sick of all the mindless fanatical blind faith jets fans who could prpbably predict the end of the world more accurately than the coutcome of playoff series now will admit that am mindless fanatica blind faith canucks fan but unlike those from winterpeg do not need to vent my spleen upon the world as to how great my team is know have confidence in them and that enough granted the jets finished the season hot and the canucks were having trouble but vancouver has built themselves reputation for being playoff team just ask any flames fan they may not win every series but they alway fight to the end ll admit that last year was not great but if they combine the work ethic of the past with the new tallent of the present they will be tough to beat note did not say they would pummel every team they meet and destroy the greatest player playing today now like any canucks fan would love to see them take the cup feel they have good chance to make it out of the smythe and shot at detroit can see them losing to st louis if pittsburgh makes it to the cup have to put my money on them yes even if they re facing the canucks if buffalo montreal or quebec beat pittsburgh choose the winner of vancuover and detroit to take the cup oh and one parting note for the jets fans just how many times has winnepeg made it to the finals go canucks greg devorski unfortunately helped to taint an otherwise brilliant display by maclean the canucks tied up the jets so tightly that thought that they were mailing them btw greg next time don fall asleep in geography class it pretty sad when fellow in norway can spell winnipeg properly and guy in north america can one more thing how long has vancouver been in the nhl how many championships do they have oh yeah and can go to the arena and see not one not two but six championship banners hanging from the rafters stanley cup banners and avco cup banners my nhl guide says that vancouver has won the cup once as many times as the rockin town of kenora has won it daryl turner contact for the winnipeg jets internet umanitoba ca fidonet or please route through tkachuk over to zhamnov up to sel nne he shoots he scores the jets win the cup the jets win the cup essensa for vezina housley for norris sel nne for calder okay the caps again are about to break out the golf clubs but before they do does anyone have the history of the washington capitals futility record in the playoffs remember that terry first year was the first year that the caps finally made it to the third round but before under brian noticed that every other year the caps got to the second round and the years in between they didn make it past the first round is this trend continuning the admiral hopeless caps fan we still remember that ot loss to the islanders aurggghhhhhhhhh admiral steve liu internet address hcf jhu edu world champions baltimore orioles why not series in the yards stanley cup champions washington capitals the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings my god man drilling holes through his head is not the answer dr mccoy could someone please tell me how can access the faq for this group relatively new and would like to read it but although ve seen it mentioned ve yet to see it posted is it archived somewhere or does someone post it to the group on regular basis or is it distributed on demand appreciate any help anyone can give me thanks in advance mary please respond via email as the articles expire within hours on my mail system and don always get chance to read everything thanks mary blumenstock hamilton edu go rangers next year of course potvin by the way has played very well he kept toronto in the game last night during those penalties in the first period by making great saves but they did end up getting to him in the second the guy has gaa of in the playoffs and he played very well hahahahahaa what joke did you watch the games in article com in last nights game toronto received five penalties detroit none if which game were you watching didn you see the third period when the wings had penalties called on them and then delayed penalty the leafs had man advantage for about minute and man advantage for another minute or two and the leafs still couldn score and wonder how the leafs scored powerplay goal if according to you they never had powerplay in the detroit paper today it said there were penalties called in last night game and you re saying detroit had none of those penalties guessing you only watched the first period have to admitt the leafs did get alot of penalties in that period where as the wings didn get many if any at all haven looked at the box scores yet but the ref more than made up for it in the third period laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings my apologies for the typo meant the wings had power plays in the first period and the leafs none as well my point isn that the refs were biased just that they were calling lot of penalties which works to the benefit of the wings having the ref call whole bunch of penalties against one team then calling bunch against the other to make up for it takes lot away from what could have been great game what did happen to the swiss team last year they reached the semi final and now after matches no points and even no goals after the against italy it seems they lost any hope and were overrun by the russian team now it seems that they have to work hard not to be relegated to the level does anybody know if this wc is the qualification tournement for the olympic games in lillehammer or are some teams already qualified for them hopp schwiiz daniel hooray hear on tsn that the jets have won game selanne getting hat trick of course here in god country read ontario couldn see that game nor any other in the van wpg series so far because our beloved cbc figures no one out here cares about this series which has looked pretty competitve so far on monday and wednesday nights cbc could have shown the toronto detroit game done the news then picked up winnipeg vancouver they didn tonight you guessed it toronto detroit the news not the end of the jets game then calgary la so if it hockey night in canada why can this ontarian see one of the two series with two canadian teams is this too much to ask paul badertscher uwo ca like to echo these sentiments this is the worst coverage can ever remember seeing on cbc as soon as the game ends can count to and by that time they ve signed off the air no post game interviews no updating of late scores nothin tsn is really putting cbc to shame only hope the later round coverage improves mean who really wants to see cbc primetime news instead of hockey my darren darren reiniger cs dal ca dal ca centre for marine geology dalhousie university halifax canada people who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves where it came from in the first place roger maynard wrote once again the leafs overcame the red wings in what was possibly the most exciting game played yet in this playoff year perhaps it was the most exciting game played yet that you have seen for most of us who watch teams around the league with interest and objectivity it was nowhere near the most exciting game paul stewart called the single worst game ve seen this year federov major was obvious and don dispute it however chaisson penalty shouldn even have been penalty let alone major and game misconduct the minute game misc call is for high sticking only there is no blood penalty just because chaisson barely touched the poor sap and he hit the dasher and bled profusely doesn mean it is penalty unfortunately the instant replay is not used on hits at first immediately thought and game because the hit looked much more severe from an intent to injure perspective than it was after seeing the replay say it deserved minutes for boarding it was careless any way you slice it if stewart had replay do not think chaisson would have gotten and the game in the second period behind potvin probert had the puck and was going to get out front and was tackled couldn believe the no call this no call was bullshit agree admire stewart for letting them go but probert looked up saying where the hell is the penalty ve never seen probert whine either he doesn need to now if probie decides to put wendel through the boards he probably gone right don remember who on the leafs touched the puck on racine shot towards the end of the game seconds left but stewart called it out of play last touched by detroit everybody in the garden including the linesmen knew it yzerman protested but stewart just laughed and really homered the wings this was also bullshit but once again no replay it was rouse btw really pissed that the linesmen didn correct the call either it when the officials refuse to admit they made mistake but when it all comes down to it wings played like shit yes the calls you describe should not have the difference in detroit loss picked the leafs to win game on emotion and adrenalin but the wings have no excuses for game they should be the superior team the call that pissed me off the most was anderson getting for putting his stick in somebody eye that was the most dangerous stick infraction have seen in long time and everybody in the damn league knows he an asshole when it comes to stickwork four lousy minutes bullshit call murray should send the tape in or wing should hammer the living shit out of him ists ca team canada defeated russia to finish the priliminary round unbeaten at scoring for the canadians were kevin dineen of the flyers eric lindros also of the flyers and paul cariya of the maine black bears cariya has put on quite show at the worlds he is sure to be drafted in the top this summer at the nhl entry draft canada defeated italy and austria before meeting the russians on sunday the canadians now face finland in the quarter finals on tuesday kevin white hollandc pe ca holland college ch town pei canada how did the leafs turn it around couldn get the leaf games on the weekend in ca did the leaf defense wise up overnight did the leafs get in the slot or was it just fluke goals in goalie duel did the wings turn off the jets or muscle what gives here caught game on satellite figured my leafs were washed this is major turnaround very few predicted this how how how did it happen wing and leaf perspectives welcomed jake ve heard rumors recently from reliable sources that abe polin the moron who owns the washington capitals is looking to move the team after this season or next milwaukee was mentioned as the team potential destination the person who told me this is strongly affiliated with the nhl and has been extremely accurate in the past with news of this sort does anyone know if this is so or has heard anything of the sort with baltimore ahl team gone that would leave the area with only an echl franchise in baltimore not good thanks david why dc baltimore is one of the top media markets the only thing the nhl seems to care about these days they ve been doing far better than the nba bullets at the gate for the last five years the team has been perennial contender and fan support has been good to excellent why should pollin move to city that five times smaller but has as many teams in other pro sports don get it david marcu if you are interested in receiving the final player stats for the nhl season as well as playoff box scores stats and scores updates then mail my stat server edu the subject of the message must be stats finns had to do their best last night when they played against norway in world champs after two periods the score was still this game was quite much similar to the first game finland played against france the norwegian goalie was very good and bit lucky too in the third period juha riihij rvi scored from rebound the time was around mins or so the second goal was scored by kari harila who shot straight from faceoff behind the nowwegian goalie saku koivu the year old center got his first point of this tournament saku koivu played very well througout the game and he was awarded the best player of the game prize despite the fact that he is quite small in size he handles the puck very well and is fast skater think that we will hear from this guy in the future as she said the letter is addressed to bettman the post which though having pretty much the same content is an entirely different entity was addressed to all when she puts the letter in the mail doubt it will say to all figure she wanted to let people here see what was in it since it is topic that interests lot of folks here that an entirely different purpose than sending the letter to bettman and it is damn good thing that she did post it since she claims to represent people in rec sport hockey unfortunately the largest computer networks in the world phrase is definition of the internet not group as whole that she claims to represent as her sole purpose in mentioning the net as steve gallichio has already pointed out is to lend weight to her points through association with the internet there is no other reason to mention the internet this is misrepresentation and if the internet was private corporation alison would be leaving herself wide open to all kinds of civil suits for the business of whether or not it is large it is large compared to say the number of folks on who are sending letter to thank him for changing the names at least to this point and just for my this is not letter it is petition claiming to represent large proportion of rec sport hockey users and by implication significant number of internet users names can in no way be considered large proportion of rec sport hockey which while we have no way of counting actual readership is accessible to hundreds of thousands of people persons is no more than fly fart in windstorm own curiosity thought look up the official definition of large in the dictionary it reads large having more than usual power capacity or scope exceeding most other things of like kind in quantity or size gee you looked up large in the dictionary what next two syllable words now have no idea how many letters bettman may have gotten on the issue or how many people may have signed them people may be up there thereby validating definition would also wager that the geographical range of signatures is quite large which would give it large scope let me suggest that the only place you are likely to envy the magnitude of is when you are looking for ways to beef up your iq scores he might be impressed by the size of the list of names why would he be impressed with this unless it were large as said he might be impressed by the size of the list of names but it would have to be considerably larger but even this definition does not account for the original context from which you lifted this sentence personally don know whether or not agree with the letter have very mixed emotions about it like the names as they are and don think they make it that difficult to learn the game but there might be shred of validity to the change well then what the hell is your point you don really know if you have an opinion about the hockey issue but you do know that you don like me is that it cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time amongst penguins fans there seems to be an inner calm that ve never experienced before this year with the pens the players and the fans have so much confidence in the team this year we re savoring every game and saving our energy for the stanley cup that good way to put it it quiet confidence don feel like have to defend this team anymore the devils are puzzle to me they have long been one of the few teams always dreaded playing their isn quite what it used to be but they still usually play us pretty tough just can figure it out at least last night they mounted an attack watching some of the devils players being interviewed could see in their faces and eyes that they really don have any confidence they are left speechless when asked what more they can to do to beat the pens they act as though they know it hopeless task bernie nichols was interviewed after game on the late news he was shaking his head in disbelief over barrasso saying that tommy is like another defenseman out there and how difficult it is playing against him then he got this far away look on his face his voice started trailing off and he said it just isn right it just isn fair and he tried to muster smile really impressed with bowman coaching tactics he had an answer for every move that brooks has thrown at the pens as far as coaching goes pens islanders match up should be pretty good one guy feel sorry for in all of this so far is chris terreri sure tom barrasso knows how he feels for so long tommy would look up and not have teammate in sight terreri teammates really left him out in the cold in the first two games mom news for the first time all season the flames are now injury free the only player remaining on the limp is center carey wilson who even when healthy is not major part of the team trent yawney did not score goal all season until the last regular season game against san jose he potted his first of the year in that game and has also scored goals in both game and game against los angeles thoughts on game the flames played horribly in dropping the first game of their series with los angeles on sunday afternoon they seemed more interested in throwing big hits than in scoring goals they physically dominated the kings but that was the only area they dominated in the game plan was to rush the net and try and take advantage of young inexperienced defence and the shaky kings goaltending but those plans fell by the wayside while the flames conducted steady march to the penalty box particularily stupid was theoren fleury taking five minute major and game misconduct for slamming warren rychel face into the dasher while rychel was on his knees goaltender mike vernon played well and could not really be faulted for the loss despite his well publicized poor record in afternoon games he got very little support from his defence in clearing the front of the net and sweeping away rebounds in fact marty mcsorley goal actually went in off chris dahlquist skate in front of the net thoughts on game the flames came back strong in the second game evidently aware of the potentially fatal consequences of losing both the first two games on home ice the first period was fairly even with the edge going to the kings but calgary came out strong in the second period and simply dominated the kings scoring five goals to take lead they never relinquished en route to win the deciding factors in this game were faceoffs and special teams calgary dominated on faceoffs as they did in game but they were able to make better use of the won faceoffs in this game than they did in the first one calgary also went for on the powerplay while only went for and gave up shorthanded goal to joel otto powerplay goal also came late in the game with the outcome already decided the kings powerplay failed them when they needed it most in the and periods the flames lost rw greg paslawski with suspected shoulder injury when he was leveled by alexei zhitnik right after scoring calgary goal charlie huddy left the game for the kings with groin injury the game was marred by stupidity in the last minute first craig berube of calgary took five minute major for fighting plus game misconduct for instigating when he went after tony granato for no apparent reason granato drew minor for some strange reason turtling perhaps this was followed seconds later by warren rychel drawing major minor and game misconduct for hitting frank musil in the face with his stick and then instigating fight musil got fighting major for some similarily strange reason hardy and yawney went toe to toe and both got double minors gregson thought that musil turtling amounted to fighting but that yawney and hardy throwing punches at each other was just roughing where this guy from upcoming games friday april at sunday april at tuesday april home to thursday april at if necessary saturday may home to if necessary injuries carey wilson indefinite with recurring knee injuries dec calgary flames final regular season statistics pos name gp pts pim rw theoren fleury robert reichel gary suter lw gary roberts joe nieuwendyk rw sergei makarov al macinnis joel otto lw paul ranheim rw greg paslawski rw ron stern lw brent ashton lw chris lindberg roger johansson trent yawney frank musil brian skrudland lw craig berube michel petit kevin dahl carey wilson chris dahlquist alexander godynyuk rw todd harkins lw paul kruse jeff reese greg smyth mike vernon rw thomas forslund shawn heaphy lw patrick lebeau andrei trefilov name gp min gaa en so ga sa save mike vernon jeff reese andrei trefilov team totals so what stopping pocklington from going to bank and borrowing million dollars to pay off his treasury branch loans was reading according to the recent tsn report peter puck is not paying any interest on the treasury branch loans that lot of green somewhere than pocklington business have gross revenues of about million per year don think he would have much problem borrowing from his visa to pay off his mastercard if he wanted to again according to tsn virtually everything that peter puck has already has liens against it of course we can really be sure of this pocklington is at the point of maximum advantage right now and he is basically right in that northlands which is creature of the city of edmonton must give him better deal in the era of escalating salaries northlands and the city benefitted as much as he did during the eighties from the oilers and wealth generated by the oilers success was shared but the finanical viability of small market teams has radically changed in the space of couple of years and for the oilers to remain viable and competitive they need much more of the revenue stream from concessions parking and building advertising as most every other professional sports franchise in north america has what was once fair agreement that shared the wealth is now northlands sucking the blood out of the oilers franchise the oiler rationale regarding the renegotiation of player contracts is that deal is deal sather has spouted this repeatedly pocklinton has contract with northlands until deal is deal perhaps if he included the income he has received from his sale of assets players such as gretzky and the income he has received in expansion fees with his revenues he wouldn be losing money he has admitted pulling this money out of the oiler franchise to put into his other businesses the oilers have paid several times over what the coliseum cost to build and bring edmonton prestige and recognition throughout the world that is essentially priceless to nickel and dime the oilers just so northlands can use revenue sucked out of the oilers to subsidize their horse racing operations is insanity think that pocklington has received ample provincial subsidization can really blame him for going after municipal subsidization but he is certainly not entitled to it pocklington has sucked revenue out of the oilers in order to prop up his failing business interests pocklington is not to be trusted doubt very much that any oiler team will ever again make the playoffs under pocklington stewardship as soon as player shows himself to be competent nhl er and expects to be paid accordingly he is shipped off for younger players and or draft picks cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time detroit april most knowledgable observers once again watched in shock as the detroit red wings again beat the best goaltender in the world six times en route to another easy victory over the best team in the nhl for the best goaltender in the world felix potvin six was bad number as he surrendered six goals and collected six minutes in penalties in reponse to the goon tactics employed by the inferior red wings team alan we told you this would happen roger didn we love it aargh paul stewart is the worst and most biased ref presently in the nhl he called total of penalties on the habs and one on the nordiques the nords penalty came in stewart being an ex nordique himself was looking to call penalties on the habs while letting the nords get away with murder we was robbed if my powerplay was as bad as montreal be thanking stewart for calling as few penalties as possible quebec powerplay is lethal and it is to their advantage to have penalty filled game where they can clean up with their superior powerplay montreal really lost that game and game because patrick roy is well on his way to having another one of his trademark awful playoffs the man is truly overrated quebec has scored six goals on roy and four perhaps five were quite stoppable alan what is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus wc know that the rangers are holding back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton but also know that the whalers wanted michael nylander to play for springfield while nylander wanted to play for sweden the whalers allowed the nhl to decide and the nhl chose the wcs how does this differ from the rangers and oilers did the whalers have to go through the league or could they have forced nylander to play in springfield as long as player is under contract to an organization he is obligated to play only where that organization tells him to play or gives him permission to play the rangers are certainly within their rights to force zubov and andersson to report to binghampton it certainly does reflect lack of class on the part of the ranger organization however is having binghampton win the calder cup really more important to them than keeping their players happy alan and while we are on the subject has captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated brad mccrimmon was the captain of the flames when he was traded to detroit following the season this was during the off season though there countless examples of captains being traded sure alan gee what coincidence he doesn share my views perhaps that why his name is not on the list to accompany the letter maybe should write disclaimer at the end mr bettman nota bene roger maynard does not agree with this letter know he be so worried otherwise you wouldn have to put my name at the bottom if you simply appended standard disclaimer that the opinions expressed in your petition in no way claim to represent the views of either rec sport hockey or the internet as whole you have surely seen these disclaimers appended to the postings of many who work for companies and post on the net the disclaimers clever though some of them may be are there for reason cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time speaking of roger and ilk whatever happened to good ol gln had him in my kill file since last year playoffs and now that ve moved to new news reader which doesn have kill files find that he gone must admit however that unlike gln roger seems to know something about the game as long as the subject doesn touch on the leafs ray skirsky com wouldn say that the letter clearly implies representation of the views of group that you belong to it represents subset that you don belong to of larger group which you do if only because this isn moderated group and you can bet that wouldn be the only one not belonging to the moderated group if it was moderated by an anally retentive little dullard like yourself look there are several ways to state an opposing viewpoint three that come to mind are as follows hardly need you to presume to lecture me on how to communicate my points of view this posting that you have made is the second on the subject of the nhl letter and you have yet to communicate your opinion on the matter instead you content yourself with flaming me say it directly and obnoxiously result result moronic little busy bodies like yourself take advantage of perceived opportunity to post rules for others to live by you realize that anything you say can and most certainly will be used against you well if using it against me means you are going to post something of significance then by all means go ahead insist otherwise why don you just go back to sleep or do whatever it is that you do when you are all by yourself cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time hitting hawks tried to outmuscle blues but could not do it instead blues matched hawks hit for hit and crunched the shit out of them in game scud line shanahan butcher and zombo particularly took turns bashing favorite targets like chelios skating when the hawks tried to outskate blues they could not do that either nelson emerson finally showed up and skated circles around flat footed chicago defense hedican felsner ron wilson and others also proved that with old cement skaters like goulet and keith brown blues could lap chicago in relay race agree with but you are wrong about in fact the only point where the hawks in any way matched the blues was when they quit trying to outmuscle and instead tried to outskate the blues they scored and took the lead too bad it was game and they then took some stupid penalties when the hawks skated they outskated the blues and took control ian neath there are four kinds of people in this world purdue edu cretins fools morons and lunatics eco okay the caps again are about to break out the golf clubs but before they do does anyone have the history of the washington capitals futility record in the playoffs remember that terry first year was the first year that the caps finally made it to the third round but before under brian noticed that every other year the caps got to the second round and the years in between they didn make it past the first round is this trend continuning this is not trend the caps were done goneso in five games and it saves us caps fans lot of pain mean it would be more painful if the caps were up watching them tumbled when they need one more win to clinch the series how many times have they done that in their history up in five game series against the isles lost straight up against the isles lost straight up against the pens lost straight in other words when they were about to clinch with games to go they were pitiful the lone wins being sweep of philly in the win against the rangers in the patrick finals the only time they managed to get out of the division actually saturday blown lead wasn anything new we all know the caps are famous lead blowers in crucial playoff games examples game against the isles led after two lead series gave up goals in the period including the game winning goal in the last minute after that goal bobby carpenter botched penalty shot series tied lost game few days later game against the rangers led series led by in the period blew it lost game in ot and three consecutive games game against pittsurgh led series led by in period blew it and the series game against isles series tied led by after blew it game against isles trailed series led by in period blew it again when they were leading by in game said to myself if they blew this lead the series is over they have lost all the momemtum the islanders believe they can come back no matter what the score is am still waiting for cap goalie who can carry the team who can completely shut down the opposition when they are hanging on their dear lives in crucial game the admiral hopeless caps fan we still remember that ot loss to the islanders aurggghhhhhhhhh well some teams such have it and some teams just don when the caps were frustrated year in year out by the islanders was thinking wait until potvin bossy trottier smith retire well they retired even though trottier was still able to haunt the caps on pens uniform yet another generation of islanders were still doing the same thing well guess it has nothing to do with the players edward lor att com in article slac stanford edu slac stanford edu greg rogers wrote feel they have good chance to make it out of the smythe and shot at detroit can see them losing to st louis gee they lost to st louis twice this year maybe you should have your eyes checked go canucks greg go blues the rodney dangerfield team they get no respect except in chicago mabee david howarth sbc com southwestern bell technology resources inc advanced technology laboratory pine rm st louis mo in article cns muskingum edu cns muskingum edu wrote belfour played well but hardly saw any offense from any hawk what want to know is where was roenick as far as can tell he was right next to bassen don you guys love it when people like me come out of the woodwork david howarth sbc com southwestern bell technology resources inc advanced technology laboratory pine rm st louis mo nhl hockey pool by denis papp and chris stoochnoff rules pick players lw rw ld rd goalies you may pick any players from any team points for players are as follows point per goal point per assist point per pim points for goalies are as follows points per win point per tie point per assist point per pim points per shutout points per goal entries entries can be sent by mail or ascii text file to chris stoochnoff or denis papp on hard wired bbs due date for entries is the first day of regular season play after that no more entries will be accepted unless it is just slightly late if that is the case there will be small penalty applied to the team internet users can send email to ucs ualberta ca prizes prizes have not yet been considered they could range from nothing to free time on hard wired bbs or even something else if you have any suggestions please feel free to put your two cents worth in one idea is to get whoever is willing to to submit an equal amount of money and that will go to be the prize money the prize money will go to the top team who has submitted to the prize pool list of all people who submit money will be posted as well as those who didnt if it is done this way cost the cost absolutely nothing there is absolutely no fee for this pool note if you have any questions please feel free to send them to denis papp or myself chris stoochnoff the players positions ie brett hull is right wing will be decided by the year book will be using so if you do not know certain players position or you are not completely sure what position he plays then ask me and ll tell you and for great time call the hard wired bbs at this will be the location where the pool standings will be displayed internet users to contact denis papp just email ucs ualberta ca standings will be distributed by email as well hi guys what happened potvin didn let six goals by wendel and andreychuk woke up home ice and lots of yelling in the gardens gave the leafs the emotional edge refs calls especially last night tended to favour leafs couple of comments on gilmour just because the guy isn one of the three stars doesn mean he was not leading the team someone posted the playoff point total and he in something like fifth or sixth place plus he walked away with the molson cup given for accumulating points from the three star selection during the regular season on the officiating ve heard gripes from both ends on this one emotions are very high in this series the rivalry is one of the stronger ones know of do have to agree that the officiating last night was pro leaf in general except for whoever missed that slash on gilmour hand in general still think detroit has one of the better chances vs pittsburgh though think the leafs would do better against the blues but not as well if they made it out of the division problem is like both these teams though supporting the leafs on the underdog principle by the way gilmour tiring out is lot like bob probert not playing aggressive hockey by the way not any sort of expert nor do claim to be just like watching good matchup tee hee hee ooops susan the hart trophy goes to the player most valuable to his team not to the best player in the league so your above arguement is really worthless personally always thought that most valuable to his team was silly why should the best player in the league be penalized because he plays on team with other good players why should lesser player be picked solely because he the best player on weak team wouldn the weaker team be helped even more by the best player in the league doesn the presence of the best player in the league make the other players on the team look better too the hart trophy was orginally awarded in time where people did not think in terms of who was the best player rather in terms of who was the most valuable to the team and valuable to his team was not and should not be considered synonymous with best we are talking about time when honour and attitude not measurable skills were the most important assets player brought to his team his league and his sport this was before the onslaught of professionalism which has clearly denigrated what was formerly the foremost peacetime pursuit of glory the hart trophy is not prize it is an honour cordially as always cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time while will first congratulate the blues for their victory think it must be realized that the primary reason the blues were able to win was curtis joseph when goalkeeper gets hot there is little an opposing team can do joseph should be given the entire city of st louis because otherwise there would probably be game scheduled as for the game on sunday the blues caught few breaks without doubt one was the referee constantly watching the blackhawks looking for reasons to give them penalties second the blues first goal resulted because the puck hit the linesman as the blackhawks attempted to clear no linesman no shot for brett can redirect anything hull to redirect on another of st louis goals belfour was tripped from behind as he went to make the save by someone who didn belong in the crease which means it was st louis player finally the overtime goal was caused because someone kept belfour from getting back to the crease no goalie no way to stop the shot congratulate st louis for beating the hawks it will be shame to see bryan murray finally advance to the campbell conference finals because joseph won be able to stop the powerful red wing attack the world reknown jason boskey mail edu known throughout the world as the bosk christ you know it ain easy all rights reserved all lefts enhanced you know how hard it can be the way things are goin here they come spinning out of the turn they re gonna crucify me standings reflecting completed series in round participant points final roland behunin cal que que dave wessels van pit pit barfly tor bos tor dean det pit pit oz lak bos lak garry tor bos bos brian bergman det pit det mopar muscle men chi pit pit bh last place picks chi pit pit milton keynes kings det pit pit sam his dogs det pit pit ye ding det pit pit tampere stars chi pit pit the mighty hedgehogs of myllyp chi bos bos homesick hawaiian van pit pit killer kings chi was chi puggy greybeards det pit pit ottawa bearcats tor pit tor andrew kirk tor pit pit muller walker det pit pit excalibur det pit pit rednecks from hockey hell det bos bos the rangers of chi pit pit jeff phelps det pit pit arctic circles det pit pit sludge det pit det the logistician det pit det hillside raiders chi bos bos danielle chi que que stanias stars chi bos bos bloodhook det pit pit gilles carmel chi pit pit pasi fr nti lak pit pit evan pritchard van pit pit skriko wolves det pit pit rangers blow cal pit pit sean det pit pit schott shooters chi pit pit gary shiff tor pit pit mike burger det pit det darse det pit pit mike burger my canada includes quebec ontario colostate edu the maritimes the prairies and florida beginning computing ta stud four months year over students served royal canadian air farce university of michigan colorado state university disaster finland was beaten by czech finland will be of pool and will most certainly meet canada in the quarter final on wednesday look at the situation positively the finns can now kick canada out they did last world cup and eventually lost tp sweden in the final peter don think he shown that he good enough to carry detroit to the cup the team may be good enough to reach the finals but cheveldae is their achilles heel you must have goaltending in the playoffs and cheveldae looks like an overmatched or stringer which he probably guess don know of too many or string goalies that could post over wins in season chevy has done that the past two seasons playing behind defense that is not exactly the best in the league his wins this year were not all against toronto and for those who look at vincent rien stats and think he should be starting take look at the teams he played against teams like san jose ottawa and tb any nhl goalie could post decent record playing teams like that night in and night out is look for detroit management to remedy the situation in the offseason really don see this happening if they didn think cheveldae could do the job they would of traded for somebody this year after all why wait until next year when there were goalies available this year hey may be wrong but after watching him kick rebound after rebound into the high slot don think he can carry them in the tough games those not against toronto better to kick out rebounds than to let goals in if st louis gets past chicago watch for joseph to carry the blues past an otherwise vastly superior red wings club joseph is hot but so are the wings they have scored six goals in both of their games so far with toronto supposively one of the leagues best defenses guess if they end up playing for the norris title we ll see what happens dr the devils advocate drinkin women guns don mix cc buffalo edu buffalo edu mark arm kcs wings in or hopefully by as far as cheveldae is concerned he is decent goalie the most logical trade in the offseason to me would be between detroit and ny rangers sure if beezer would be traded he would enjoy the opportunity to go back to his roots in detroit he would be valuable asset to the wings and perhaps the rangers could get zombo in return beezer got few good years in him and the opportunity to get fresh start would energize his play on april cs laurentian ca roger maynard wrote look for the leafs led by healthy doug gilmour and confidence restored felix potvin to do the blues in the leafs will have more games with the wings and that should give joseph few extra days to pass those horshoes ha roger the dodger is back on the bandwagon that is jack please tell me if you don get this message rosereader entered at rose rosemail rosenet usenet gateway rose media did anyone see the montreal quebec game yesterday it was tight right down to the last second of the third period in the overtime roy and hextall played like they were gods ok so montreal won they deserved it after getting their first goal in overtime waved off because the puck was hit in with high stick their second goal in overtime was also replayed but could not tell if it was the montreal player who kicked it in the puck definitely was not directed in by stick anyways montreal is back into the series dave vergolini michigan state university lbs msu edu just wondering where all the bruins fans are mean they woofed it up with about posts during the regular season saying that their fave team was going to kick everyone in the playoffs and win the stanley cup while see nothing wrong with little ranting and raving just curious why all the boston faithful have stopped posting mean haven even see just one little boston fan post cept for the bruins fans that aren cocky well maybe they re all out on the golf course or something but don know sure like to see where all those bruins fans are at robbie po streakers we do what comes naturally patrick division semi pgh penguins you see now wait for the penguins devils stanley possibility don you see penguins lead cup champions strong resemblance dg here in the middle of connecticut there are plenty of bruin fans many who have let me know in no uncertain terms that the rangers choked down the stretch think the bruins are doing the same exact thing the rangers did they re playing too tight who responsibility is it to check mogilny he has gotten off number of quality shots on goal of which there are many rebounds which are not being cleared by the defense it too bad the might not get the opportunity to play pittsburgh again would really enjoy seeing ulfie get beat up by neely we all hate ulfie but would love him on are team was asked to post the team log of this year winning team in the regular season draft here tis begin dave wessels reading team dave wessels from database log all team log name team points value bought week sold week trevor linden van pre cliff ronning van pre robert reichel cgy pre pat verbeek hfd pre pat falloon sj pre john maclean nj pre eric lindros phi pre rick tocchet pit pre greg adams van pre mike ricci que pre joe juneau bos pre kevin hatcher wsh pre teemu selanne wpg pre pavel bure van pre dixon ward van pre russ courtnall min darren turcotte nyr christian ruuttu chi petr nedved van petr klima edm tony granato la steve duchesne que alexander mogilny buf ray sheppard det steve larmer chi vincent damphousse mtl tony amonte nyr brendan shanahan stl corey millen la johan garpenlov sj kelly kisio sj pat elynuik wsh benoit hogue nyi pat flatley nyi rod brind amour phi michal pivonka wsh joe mullen pit john cullen tor stephane richer nj jeff norton nyi glenn anderson tor ray bourque bos bernie nicholls nj andrew cassels hfd dmitri kvartalnov bos tomas sandstrom la joe sakic que rob blake la derek king nyi michel goulet chi mike modano min dmitri khristich wsh alexander semak nj nikolai borschevsky tor mike donnelly la jeff brown stl thomas steen wpg kevin dineen phi mario lemieux pit wayne gretzky la you have cash points as of week your team is placed of teams andrew scott hp com hp idacom telecom operation ext during the roman era was considered old in article psu edu robbie po psu edu says michael virata sy says michael sy wustl edu devils consultant and how bout those devils over the penguins hahahahahahah attention all penguins fans if the pens win game show some laughter in that mail box address listed above thanks attention penguins fans once again apparently of you understand that this was just joke hence the next to it but one idiot on here doesn as he got pissed at me and sent me two hate mails telling me that this is wrong have no intentions of sending mail to anyone should the pens win tonight and really do not expect do not intend to lead any of you to send this poster mail either it was not serious request if you didn know that which you probably did then don do it thanks robbie po streakers we do what comes naturally patrick division semi pgh penguins you see now wait for the devils penguins stanley possibility don you see penguins lead cup champions strong resemblance dg in article hcf jhu edu hcf jhu edu steve liu says okay the caps again are about to break out the golf clubs but before they do does anyone have the history of the washington capitals futility record in the playoffs remember that terry first year was the first don give up so soon lot of burgh fans didn give up at last year you gotta believe hard as that may seem with the caps with the power play in the playoffs and penalty killing according to mike lange all the caps have to do is make sure it doesn go ot as that was boston and chicago demise ot can be curse good point there haven even been any recent posts about ulf secretly convinced that he responsible for the bs being down to buffalo somehow ok buffalo fans am red wings fan but am amazed at how the sabres are beating up on the bruins is there any reason for this is it grant fuhr or mogilny and lafontaine would like to hear from you since do not know much about the sabres dave vergolini michigan state university lbs msu edu in article dal ca cs dal ca darren reiniger says like to echo these sentiments this is the worst coverage can ever remember seeing on cbc as soon as the game ends can count to and by that time they ve signed off the air no post game interviews no updating of late scores nothin tsn is really putting cbc to shame only hope the later round coverage improves mean who really wants to see cbc primetime news instead of hockey my darren this was concession to mansbridge and cbc news they argued that if you re going to play havoc with the schedule you should at least make sure that prime time is aired as soon as possible news got commitment that the post game show would be scrapped and that the network would go to ptn within one minute or so of the game ending as for the earlier comments about cbc being ontariocentric frankly the no doubleheader decison goes both ways people in the west cant see the leafs and people in central canada can see the jets game the reason for the decision was cbc feeling they couldn sell advertising for six hours of hockey in one night as for who wants to see news over hockey lot of people cbc always gets plenty of complaints about juggling the news schedule darren reiniger cs dal ca dal ca centre for marine geology dalhousie university halifax canada people who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves where it came from in the first place there was discussion about how real fans were ones who respect their teams no matter ow bad they are that bullshit anyone who would follow the pens or the pirates in parts of the early eighties on devoted basis are losers it ok to follow and be concerned about your home team but to give them respect even when it is clear the management and the players suck should not be required of true fan true fan would follow the team in troubled times to the extent that they could discuss how to improve the team when visit pittsburgh ll refuse to go to pirates game since think the management has given pittsburgh team which could have been much better even if they couldn sign barry bonds lert say the pens start doing to their own team what the oilers have done this year and what the whalers have done in recent years would be hard pressed to show much enthusiasm for the team ll still follow it and bitch about it but won waste my money on mediocre teams ravin ratnam david downie commerce ubc ca wrote speaking of paddock what he doing slagging sandlak if sandlak puts his mind to it he can be physical presence and waking him up might be real mistake isn sandbag out with an injury now anyways perhaps paddock meant to say that momesso was the cheap short artist after all that would make more sense wpg in umanitoba ca computer science of manitoba if you wanted to send your own letter to the nhl where would you send it brett ball oh yeah and can go to the arena and see not one not two but six championship banners hanging from the rafters stanley cup banners and avco cup banners my nhl guide says that vancouver has won the cup once as many times as the rockin town of kenora has won it don let this confuse anybody the winnipeg jets have never won the stanley cup or even come that close these stanley cup championships go back long way to about the turn of the century the winnipeg victorias won one or more of these cups the jets didn win any of them can you think of anything more irrelevant to argue about playoff series going on today than who won more stanley cups around the turn of the century lets face facts the canucks are leading the series the canucks dominated the jets in their season series the canucks did better in the regular season than winnipeg who is the better team think that the facts show that vancouver is better than winnipeg gregmeister watch out pitsburgh here come the isles they said we wouldn make the playoffs and we came in third they said the caps would beat us and they re not going to they say that pitsburgh has ratio of winning the cup but we ll prove them wrong bring it back home in an article published in this morning pittsburgh post gazette kbl the pgh cable sports channel president bill craig has confirmed that he has had preliminary talks with the mouth of the north don cherry craig said he is interested in hiring cherry as color commentator and for post game duties others being considered for the open broadcasting jobs are current pens announcers mike lange and paul steigerwald craig spoke to both yesterday kbl stan savaran and guy junker espn mike emrick mn broadcaster doug mccloud and tsn jim hughson kbl and the penguins have just inked new deal giving kbl all tv and radio rights to pens games plans are that kbl would like to have an entire night of hockey starting with pre game show and running to post game show that would sign off about depending upon length of the game don cherry announcing penguins games yeah and to quote pgh goofy mayor the queen of sheba considering how often and how badly he has slammed the pens on coach corner on hockey night in canada it would surprise me as well but then people will do anything for money won they lori contact for the penguins lli cmu edu randy stuff deleted for example look at pat quinn of the canucks am not saying that he is the best gm merely better one than murray and one am very familiar with he traded garth butcher good player and dan quinn not in the nhl anymore to st louis for cliff ronning geoff courtnall sergio mommesso and robert dirk too good to be true right think this goes along with comment you made in an earlier post namely quinn taking advantage of major league bonehead for gm in st louis this trade was an absolutely stupid trade for st louis and it was not the only stupid trade that this guy made we can give quinn credit for being an opportunist here stuff about other trades deleted plus his team has improved much greater amount than detroit since he took over with them how do you figure both vancouver and detroit did the same thing last year they both won their division they had close to the same number of points they both went down in the first round of the playoffs before finally escaping in games and they both got knocked out in the second round by teams they should have been able to beat with less talent specifically if remember correctly third place teams how does this make vancouver more improved further if not mistaken the wings had more points than vancouver at the end of this season albeit not many gregmeister randy in article camosun bc ca victoria bc ca tom moffat says if the oilers move to hamilton what division will they play in and won they have to change their name to the steelers or something the only significant deposits of oil around hamilton are those caused by the tire fire few years back then again if the nba can have the utah jazz or the lakers think about it what lakes are in then guess the nhl can have the hamilton oilers reports in ottawa today say that the senators have come to verbal agreement with last seasons first pick and overall choice alexei yashin on year deal as well the senators have signed their second round pick chad penney who is currently playing for the sault ste marie greyhounds in the ontario junior league playoffs mike amico bnr ottawa ontario paul stewart called the single worst game ve seen this year federov major was obvious and don dispute it however chaisson penalty shouldn even have been penalty let alone major and game misconduct don notice refs and linesmen until the playoffs come around and yes have to agree that stewart called the two worst games ve seen so far mtl quebec game and last nights toronto detroit game what the scoop on this guy is he the latest incarnation of kerry fraser just because you are boneheadedly stubborn doesn make you good ref making the right call does my votes for best ref van hellemond most improved koharski worst paul stewart oops don really want to start best worst ref thread so don follow up paul yatrou kbl and the penguins have just inked new deal giving kbl all tv and radio rights to pens games plans are that kbl would like to have an entire night of hockey starting with pre game show and running to post game show that would sign off about depending upon length of the game don cherry announcing penguins games yeah and to quote pgh goofy mayor the queen of sheba lori contact for the penguins lli cmu edu well was watching hockey hotline last night and stan said that the station kbl had been recieving calls all day concerning this subject and the verdict was that almost exclusively nobody wanted that load mouth know it all blow hard former bruin whiner ulf hating scum sucking pr ck of missery in pittsburgh on permanent basis that not exactly what stan said did do bit of interpriting the cmu kiddie obnoxious name calling deleted ok who wants rm off of here say we get his net privleges revoked any seconds go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu roger shut up thank you go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu sh hockey fan from way back and maintain an interest as best can here in the hockey hinterlands oklahoma hoping can get reading from some of you about the move of the north stars to dallas sh ve been under the impression that minnesota was one of or possibly the hockey state in the so why is the team moving to city in texas is it that the owner is greedy self serving profiteer or were the stars really not making profit or was the city or whoever owned the arena doing some price gouging sh as much as like to see the nhl only hour drive from me can help but feel for the people in minnesota unless they truly didn support the team sh opinions please used to work for the stars minnesota supported the team to an extent when was there we had quite afew sellouts this was the season after the cup run and during the finals norm main bitch was that there wasn enough luxury suites and the ones he had were not always full he wanted more boxes and wanted them full he was just asking for too much from people that could go and see other hockey games at high schools for or college for about that would probably be better mark qmpro radioactive cats are very very hot origin origin line not defined in goedit here is something crossposted from the ahl mailing list in discussion between me and chris lerch the subject of springfield round upset of the providence bruins came up chris basically raised the possibility that the ahl hierarchy is biased in favor of the indians he noted that the offices for the league are in spring and many ex indians are working for the ahl furthermore he also informed me that back few years ago in the cup finals between roch and spring that the amerks charged favoritism by the office and that there were little questionable things liket he ahl president and staff attending all games with the springfield brass including sitting in their box for the game in springfield and according to the rochester media openly cheering for springfield certainly this is something that is quite serious if any of this is true don know if this is anything more than whining on the part of the amerks they have pulled this sort of crap against the wings before but if true this is somthing that seriously raises questions about president jack butterfield leadership btw this was posted with the permission of chris bri farenell camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news cmu edu this comes indirectly from al morgani who works in the studio for espn hockey the management of espn was reluctant to leave the pitt nj game even though the outcome was certain because of fear of the wash ny game going to overtime when the caps scored with left to tie the game al said he heard many people say espn is under contractual obligation to show baseball and could not broadcast the ot of the hockey game next year will be introduced so baseball fans can watch baseball and hockey fans can watch hockey get off espn back and stop posting articles on this subject there have been to many complainers about this game that it making me sick geoff filinuk italy sweden canada sweden russia italy austria switzerland ali procrastination lemer gave nhl commissioner gary bettman puck columbia university nyc once he spent the rest of the day trying to columbia edu open it pat williams gm orlando magic be kind to animals hug hockey player nice sig like the change btw could you post the names of the people who are going to be on the letter and sure others would like to know if we are included if not want to be roger is fool go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gatech edu does anybody know if this wc is the qualification tournement for the olympic games in lillehammer or are some teams already qualified for them hopp schwiiz daniel the top teams of this tournament will play in the olympics next year the last team of this tournament top two of pool great britain and poland and the winner of pool latvia will play for the last olympic spot next fall however if next year hosts norway were to finish which would be no surprise then it the team of pool that will have to play in the qualification tournament marko tervio why would pollin want to move the caps because think he owns the cap centre know they don sell out all of their games but they draw lot more than the bullets if you had the situation that abe had would you move if you were guaranteed that anyone who went to the games would have to park at the stadium because there has been nothing within half mile until the recent construction in the area can they win game in ot again rich you ve read the hat now see the movie imus in the morning blurb you re blurb seinfeld which doesn mean much since the statistics are mostly based on the game playoff format but yes it looks dark for the what disappointment the fat lady is about to hit the first note okay how about deficits the chances for comeback are now less that based on game playoff format who do you think gets the start in game three hope it is going to be blue if the team can rally around him maybe moog can too he got the start but the headlines on all boston local tv sportscats said it all sutter blue it and he did harry sinden appearance outside of dressing room after game was pathetic site he said something really retarded to cover sutter behind this game is not about winning or losing harry check the schedule your team is in the playoffs and about to go on long summer vacation on sunday morning harry and his buttkisser milbury will never admit that they screwed up in major way when they brought in one of the dumbest people in the business brian sutter sutter playoff record as the head coach in st louis speaks for itself the blues really have chance to advance to the second round this year ppv mark this is what came up with using the final regular season stats for the which you can find in the april edition of the usa today try it out and see what you come up with adam oates bruins pts teemu selanne rw jets pts alexander mogilny rw sabres pts pavel bure rw canucks pts vincent damphousse lw canadians pts dave andreychuk lw mapleleafs pts phil housley rd jets pts paul coffey rd redwings pts sergei fedorov redwings pts andy moog bruins pts al infrate rd capitials pts patrick roy canadians pts al macinnis ld flames pts dennis savard canadians pts calle johansson ld capitals pts yuri khmylev lw sabres pts richard smehlik ld sabres pts total points pts most valuable player adam oates rookie of the year teemu selanne most improved player vincent damphousse defenseman of the year phil housley goalie of the year patrick roy in article ab ca detroit april most knowledgable observers once again watched in shock as the detroit red wings again beat the best goaltender in the world six times en route to another easy victory over the best team in the nhl for the best goaltender in the world felix potvin six was bad number as he surrendered six goals and collected six minutes in penalties in reponse to the goon tactics employed by the inferior red wings team alan we told you this would happen roger didn we love it where is roger anyway haven heard from him in awhile he must be out on the golf course waiting for the leafs to join him any day now laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings roots in detroit he would be valuable asset to the wings and perhaps the rangers could get zombo in return wake up and smell the norris rick zombo was traded to the blues for vince riendo sp last season mike as far as cheveldae is concerned he is decent goalie the most logical trade in the offseason to me would be between detroit and ny rangers sure if beezer would be traded he would enjoy the opportunity to go back to his roots in detroit he would be valuable asset to the wings and perhaps the rangers could get zombo in return beezer got few good years in him and the opportunity to get fresh start would energize his play only problem is that zombo was traded to st louis last year for goalie vincent riendeau think that while chevy is not among the elite class of goalies he is adequate given the offensive firepower of the wings greg hi all due to living in the bay area as unable to see vancouver victory over the jets last night know the score but that rarely describes the game could someone please post brief sonapsis sp of waht happened how well did each team play were the cannucks deserving of the victory well in my opinion the canucks played really strong game was especially pleased by very strong game from linden think he could be key to success for them this year defensively they really had strong game hardly heard selanne name all night craven also played one of his best games since coming over with few exceptions they really didn let the high flying jets do much high flying thought the jets defence looked overmatched by the canucks forwards they will have to improve on that if they want to make this series in short it was great start chris roney mail chris ca the jets gave the canucks another run for their money in an almost identical game to the first of the series but once again came up short as vancouver outscored winnipeg the pattern of the first game was repeated tonight with the canucks scoring quickly and then going to sleep in the second period only to stave off jet comeback with opportune goals from their greater talent the jets looked more dangerous in this one but it didn make difference in the numbers that counted goals vancouver big line produced again with centre cliff ronning and left winger geoff courtnall scoring in the first and in the second to boost the canucks to lead on giveaways by the suspect jet defence of bautin and ulanov mental lapses by the defence and goal scoring talent in opportune areas made the difference in all three canuck goals however as in the first game the jets worked hard to take the game to the canucks in the second period the jets dominated the second checking hard and penetrating the vancouver zone without being challenged by canuck team that wanted to pack it in early the hard work paid off late in the second when tie domi caught vancouver goalie kirk mclean by surprise with sharp angle shot to make the score domi goal gave the jets new life as they began to take the rush to the canuck collapsing defence the canucks were unwilling to do anything but let mclean take shots and clear the rebounds the jets were allowed to set up and make plays both goalies made standup saves as the play picked up considerably mclean made three great saves in the second off dancing teammu selanne while essensa was rocked by pavel bure drive selanne looked dangerous on the rush as the jets pressed series of attacks into the canuck zone the canucks on the other hand looked like they were offering four checking lines in an effort to preserve their slim lead series of minor penalties at the end of the second period resulted in one man advantage for the jets in the early third the jet tempo numminen drove puck from the point through mclean legs and into the net to tie the game at the canuck discordant play picked up where it left off this was characterized by long lead passes that either never connected or were picked off by the jets and individual rushes into tight winnipeg defence that were never supported however as in the first and second canuck goals jet defensive lapse re bonehead play stalled the winnipeg comeback with the faceoff in the winnipeg zone pavel bure was left to stand in the crease with no jet defender anywhere near him bure who had been invisible in the game up to that point took rebound and managed to roof it with backhand even though he was off balance by then it was too late for the jets to come back essensa made it to the bench with one minute to go but the extra attacker did nothing for their attack canucks winnipeg next game is friday at winnipeg with the jets in the hole by two games dear mr bettman ali letter deleted for brevity roger acid laced response removed maybe we should get together and establish some kind of mandatory maturity level to keep some of this stuff off of the air roger your responses might just exclude you from sharing your opinions then you see the same rights ali has to mail her letter to the nhl are the same ones that let you post replies that mow her down like wheat at harvest time she never said she represented the entire internet or the entire group rec sport hockey she has every right to state her opinion along with those of the fifty or sixty or hundred odd folk who ve agreed to allow her to list their names on the bottom of it you may not agree with it fine really don care enough about the name change to care your name isn attached to it so why moan and complain if you felt her words were leading well you re free to feel that way and take exception but manners never hurt personally disagree and feel her generalizations were fine have the right to think and say that too ali under no compunction to change single word now while you re free to disagree with every word she wrote to tear apart her character is uncalled for posting this as form of public reprimand if you tear down ali integrity and character publicly you ll get chastised publicly in return would it have been so hard to say ali please be bit more specific in your description the way ve read it indicates you re stating my view also and that simply not true really like to see disclaimer noting that you don mean the entire internet or the entire group attached to it despite your intent to list names at the bottom thanks cordially as always calling her moron and an asshole just reduces the weight of your words and the opinions of their author in the eyes of myself and possibly others oh and ali nice to see someone standing up for something even if it not something personally advocate valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat over the boards grab buffalo edu his hand and start running around the outside cc buffalo edu faster and faster wanted to learn how to get that feeling and the only way was to learn how to skate lafontaine world championships in germany group standings munich group standings dortmund gp gf ga gp gf ga sweden germany italy czech republic russia usa canada finland switzerland france austria norway april italy russia norway germany sweden austria usa czech republic april canada switzerland russia austria finland france april sweden canada czech republic germany switzerland italy finland usa april germany france italy sweden czech republic norway april switzerland russia usa france austria canada norway finland april switzerland austria germany 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